The woman should come out and tell us when they want sex

[Hamurabimbi]

But again, he said "he has been told". I'm not sure who told him that, but if an escort told him that then it would not be credible.

You sound like you are the same looks-level he …

I highly doubt I’m 8.5. That’s male model tier.

 

[GoodMan32]

Instead of ‘civies’. let’s just call them ‘women’. This is like calling normal people’cis-‘.

I got in the habit of using the term civvies because Corrector always uses the term.

 

[corrector]

I got in the habit of using the term civvies because Corrector always uses the term.

That is what hobbyists call them on escort review boards. The term was adopted from there and is activated when there is a discussion about escorts. Escorts are women too. Instead of saying paid and unpaid women which sounds more cringy, escort and civvie sound more refined.

 

[corrector]

Instead of ‘civies’. let’s just call them ‘women’. This is like calling normal people’cis-‘.

Civvies means a civilian woman. In war people also contrast civilians and military. Hobbyists contrast civilian woman and escorts. If the military uses the term then what makes it wrong?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Civvies means a civilian woman. In war people also contrast civilians and military. Hobbyists contrast civilian woman and escorts. If the military uses the term then what makes it wrong?

There is no reason to even discuss escorts on this site.

 

[corrector]

There is no reason to even discuss escorts on this site.

There are escortcellers and MGTOWs who use escorts. It seems both want to graduate and learn. As long as incel adopted the term escortcel it is valid part of incel and MGTOW which are both valid here. But I agree in the sense it is against my religion and I got hurt spiritually when I did use one in the past.

However, @GoodMan32 does not have any bad reactions like I did.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

There are escortcellers and MGTOWs who use escorts. It seems both want to graduate and learn. As long as incel adopted the term escortcel it is valid part of incel and MGTOW which are both valid here. But I agree in the sense it is against my religion and I got hurt spiritually when I did use one in the past.

However, @GoodMan32 does not have any bad reactions like I did.

Well. Escorts are a reality. But. It takes no game or anything to get one. Just money.

 

[corrector]

Well. Escorts are a reality. But. It takes no game or anything to get one. Just money.

Also my soul. The last escort had a piece of my soul and I had a piece of hers. I could not get that piece back. That aspect was part of a nervous breakdown that started the next day aftet visiting that escort from Brazil in 2014.

 

[BeExcellent]

Hmmmmm. Ignored the old lady’s post. That’s Ok however understand that you are TOO focused on sex. Every man wants sex, duh. That’s life for attractive women. So direct focus on sex is going to be very off putting, a huge turn off.

Unless you are hot enough and confident enough to make a bold move, and by that I mean super bold, as in “You’re sexy AF, let’s bang” bold move.

And if that works you take the girl home, and while you take her home you ask her to tell you what she likes, since she must be a very naughty girl.

That does a few things. First it gets your intent out of the way as an ice breaker, second it gets you off the hook conversationally. If you get her home & don’t know what else to do, or if you are having anxiety to get hard? Tell her to blow you.

Tell. Don’t ask.

Now clearly you aren’t fvcking a girl against her will, that’s rape and nobody is condoning that. But the bold move can set you up to overcome lots of things if in fact you have the looks to pull it off.

Either way you can’t fumble around wanting sex, giving off the “Gee I’d really like to fvck you” vibe while coming across afraid of her response (or your own shadow) when a girl chats you up.

That is an inconsistency that comes off weird. It triggers cognitive dissonance which will weird girls right out.

Learn conversation or learn the bold move to seduce. That is how you do it.

 

[corrector]

Hmmmmm. Ignored the old lady’s post. That’s Ok however understand that you are TOO focused on sex. Every man wants sex, duh. That’s life for attractive women. So direct focus on sex is going to be very off putting, a huge turn off.

Unless you are hot enough and confident enough to make a bold move, and by that I mean super bold, as in “You’re sexy AF, let’s bang” bold move.

And if that works you take the girl home, and while you take her home you ask her to tell you what she likes, since she must be a very naughty girl.

That does a few things. First it gets your intent out of the way as an ice breaker, second it gets you off the hook conversationally. If you get her home & don’t know what else to do, or if you are having anxiety to get hard? Tell her to blow you.

Tell. Don’t ask.

Now clearly you aren’t fvcking a girl against her will, that’s rape and nobody is condoning that. But the bold move can set you up to overcome lots of things if in fact you have the looks to pull it off.

Either way you can’t fumble around wanting sex, giving off the “Gee I’d really like to fvck you” vibe while coming across afraid of her response (or your own shadow) when a girl chats you up.

That is an inconsistency that comes off weird. It triggers cognitive dissonance which will weird girls right out.

Learn conversation or learn the bold move to seduce. That is how you do it.

What is your price?

 

[BeExcellent]

Priceless of course. But I’ve never been for sale in any way, never transactional, don’t care about a guys money past is he self supporting and financially in my ballpark (not a mooch).

I’m married to a *hot* man and off the market. Frankly I was never on the market as I have more interest than I can entertain at my fingertips or if I leave the house. A luxury to be sure.

Don’t forget my first husband was in the nightclub business and I have been in the nightclubs to dance Latin or ballroom or country all my adult life. Also don’t forget who many of my friends are (players who have bedded hundreds of women).

I know how the game works much better than a lot of the dudes around here. I hear about it, observe it and have been fascinated with it for decades. Obviously I use that knowledge (which is second nature) to my advantage. It’s kinda like The Force in Star Wars. You can use it for good but it must be wielded with respect, there is a dark side

 

[DonJuanjr]

Unless you are hot enough and confident enough to make a bold move, and by that I mean super bold, as in “You’re sexy AF, let’s bang” bold move.

Learn conversation or learn the bold move to seduce. That is how you do it.

In your opinion whats the floor for "hottness" to pull Mode 1 off?

Because, how it sounds is that Chads and Tyrones are free to express themselves as sexual beings and get unconditional sex while lesser looking men need to have non-overt sexual vibe with conditional conversation to get it.

 

[BeExcellent]

In your opinion whats the floor for "hottness" to pull Mode 1 off?

Because, how it sounds is that Chads and Tyrones are free to express themselves as sexual beings and get unconditional sex while lesser looking men need to have non-overt sexual vibe with conditional conversation to get it.

Well with me that tactic has never worked to get straight to sex, but I appreciate when a man has the balls to give it a shot.

All of the men I have dated seriously made some type of bold move. Something about me communicates class & value however so the typical bold move Id get is some variety of “You’re gorgeous, when am I taking you out?”

And that was the Chads, lol.

Mode 1 is more about attitude than looks. I know several men who are very average looking but could get a ******* or sex easily, like “let me go get a BJ & I’ll catch you in a few….”

It’s less about looks and more about attitude. ASD people are naturally aloof. That can be leveraged to one’s advantage as a guy.

But telling an ASD person to pick up social cues better misses the fact that the whole problem is failure to recognize them at all. It’s like telling a deaf person to listen harder.

So who cares what these Chads & Tyrones do. It’s a tactic that might work if a guy has the looks an the attitude, even if that attitude is more awkward than arrogant, both come across as IDGAF, and that is what matters.

 

[DonJuanjr]

It’s less about looks and more about attitude.

I'm confused... Then why did you start with "unless you're hot enough..." if it's less about looks?

 

[DonJuanjr]

So who cares what these Chads & Tyrones do.

I don't think the frustration comes from what they can do, but rather what normal looking/less attractive can't do. If I'm normal looking or below average I can't overtly express myself as a sexual being. I have to play coy. How is that constructive for IDGAF/ confident vibe?

 

[BeExcellent]

I'm confused... Then why did you start with "unless you're hot enough..." if it's less about looks?

Look. Most women will forgive a tremendous amount if they think a man is hot enough. If our OP is a 8.5 then 85% of women would consider him attractive. Then it becomes how often a particular woman garners the interest of a 8.5 guy, and that plays into how she will act.

Im not “most” women and I’d say I typically dated men who were 8.5 or higher SMV. That means I’m used to hot guys and don’t get as gaga over appearance. My husband I consider a 9, but I only dated attractive men. To me that’s normal. So this isn’t about me as an individual but rather about relative value regarding SMV.

 

[BeExcellent]

I don't think the frustration comes from what they can do, but rather what normal looking/less attractive can't do. If I'm normal looking or below average I can't overtly express myself as a sexual being. I have to play coy. How is that constructive for IDGAF

That’s simply not true. I know extremely confident average looking men who slay and it’s not on looks but rather on game (charm, wit & intelligence).

Men on the spectrum struggle more with wit and charm because they don’t have the social calibration of a charming guy, who reads non verbal cues very well.

So use what you have to work with. If you have looks but come across arrogant or aloof (due to awkwardness), who cares what the rationale is, work with the tools you have or learn new tools. Those are any guys choices.

Guys on the spectrum might have a social calibration disadvantage but maybe our OP is good looking enough that women won’t care, at least short term.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Look. Most women will forgive a tremendous amount if they think a man is hot enough. If our OP is a 8.5 then 85% of women would consider him attractive. Then it becomes how often a particular woman garners the interest of a 8.5 guy, and that plays into how she will act.

Im not “most” women and I’d say I typically dated men who were 8.5 or higher SMV. That means I’m used to hot guys and don’t get as gaga over appearance. My husband I consider a 9, but I only dated attractive men. To me that’s normal. So this isn’t about me as an individual but rather about relative value regarding SMV.

Quit switching the context of the conversations between you're knowledge of female perspective vs. your preferences. We are not talking about you. When you start these conversations you start them under the context of your view of female perspective towards intersexual dynamics. Then half way through the discussion you switch the context of other posters responses to your comments as your personal preferences. I know we are talking about women in general... Not you...

 

[DonJuanjr]

That’s simply not true.

So you're saying that average looking men can still use the bold "I find you sexy let's bang" overt communication and see results with average success, the same as better/ model looking men? Exceptions to the rule are pointless as most on this site are not the exceptions.

 

[BeExcellent]

Quit switching the context of the conversations between you're knowledge of female perspective vs. your preferences. We are not talking about you. When you start these conversations you start them under the context of your view of female perspective towards intersexual dynamics. Then half way through the discussion you switch the context of other posters responses to your comments as your personal preferences. I know we are talking about women in general... Not you...

You are conflating things. My original comment that unless he is attractive enough to overcome his social issues is a true statement out in the field and was never about me individually.

My personal perspective is as a high value, high self esteem, desirable woman. That’s a perspective 80% or more women don’t have.

Both add value to the discussion although for different reasons.