Life in game beyond cold approaches and lay counts.

[Jesse Pinkman]

I have spoken to a couple of my successful wings/friends and even guys who are good with women. One thing I seem to notice is that almost all of them look down on most "pickup artists" as losers they would never hang with. I often hear them say that they would never introduce hot girls they know to a lot of those weird guys. In a way, I agree. So I asked guys I know if the issue is cold approach or what, almost all of them were perfectly fine with cold approach and even advocate for it. Then a wing who has become my close friend said something that hit deep.

"I've known guys who have been running "game" for years but if I ask them to bring girls to my parties, they couldn't do it, what does that tell you?"

It hit me that as guys who get into game or anyone that observes "PUA", the goal seems way too short-sighted. Cold approach women (hit em with the same spammy pickup lines), get number, go for the lay, and then brag about your lay count. Afterwards, forget her and keep adding to your lay count. Then I see how so many PUAs end up as broken dudes who either marry ugly women or become some weird fanatic in politics or religion. Would I want to end up like any of these guys? No.

Because most never saw life in game beyond the lay count.

Their mentality is sleep with a woman, get the lay, and then try to approach more women and get more lays. I have known guys who do this and even a decade after doing it, they are still the same guys spam approaching women for a number. Then, I started to noticed diversion in guys who seem quite fulfilled with game.

These guys not only have a great rotation going but they can get a number of women and their friends to go to an event with them. Girls are okay with being unattached to the guy but love that he has access to cool events and parties that they can bring their friends to. A few of them even hook up with a girl's friend(s) that find the guy attractive. It's like an entirely new world and maybe my boy @Solomon can comment a bit on this and give his take.

New doors open that never opened before.

This past weekend, we had Ultra in Miami, a huge music festival. I didn't want to go but my wing who I am close friends with convinced me. My wing manages to invite a few girls out to come with him and he had a club promoter friend who did as well. We go and get right into VIP because he was close with one of the guys DJing at Ultra.

I've gone to music festivals before and they sucked for me. You were drinking, in a sweaty crowd, and girls were snobby to most men around them. This time around, it was a different area for me and a different experience. I talked to a few hot girls that were there and whenever I went to get water, I saw girls who were not in VIP staring at our tent and trying to talk to security to see how they can get in.

Later on, my wing and I connected and I asked him how he pulled it off. He told me that if you can get attractive women to come with you to cool events and introduce them to people like DJs and club promoters, they will usually look out for you but it takes some work.

I have seen this play out in the past and it gives a different experience. Getting VIP at a nightclub or getting into cool exclusive events because you happen to know a lot of hot girls. You get to a point where most of the Red Pill and bitter nonsense, you can't even relate to. It is a whole new experience as a guy that I am starting to get more and more used to in the past couple of years.

Why most PUAs end up broken and not fulfilled with game.

I think that deep down, just getting numbers and a lay are not enough. Most PUA types were losers in their adolescence and even if they get laid as adults, they are still losers. They might get a number but they couldn't get into a popular nightclub because bouncers and others know the kinds of guys they are. Meanwhile, the guys who are more fulfilled with game fix that misfit type of past and are now the kinds of men who can show up to an event with beautiful women by their arms and have other guys simping for their attention.

They get VIP at a club or some exclusive event.

One of my wings had an old high school classmate shout his name at a club and beg him to let her into VIP (she was drunk and the bouncer said no).

Maybe I am wrong and off target here.

I am still discovering this new approach to game and learning about it but so far, I feel like all of the guys I knew who got into game and went into this path are happier in life and with game itself. Meanwhile, the guys I know who are still doing spammy cold approaches and trying to chase notch counts are the same misfits that at best, might occasionally earn a lay.

Give your take

@Solomon
@SW15
@LucianoM
@Scars
@Bible_Belt

Along with lots of others I forgot.

 

[SW15]

There are different ways to put up big notch counts as a guy.

There is the PUA style. People become attracted to PUA because they were failing with women. Then, if they can master some attraction-seduction concepts, they can start to experience success. Look at Neil Strauss. Strauss was a typical AFC/borderline incel before he started spending time with Mystery and some of the other big names of PUA of the late 1990s to mid-2000s. Strauss is a short man who is bald. He was not a natural with women. Roosh is a similar story. Roosh was ignored in high school and college. He was a dweeb with a STEM major. He then got into pickup and became really good at it.

Most guys who get into PUA don't get good at it and often come off as uncalibrated. They naturally lack good social skills.

I've never had a good wing. I am impressed that you have found wings. I know men who are decent people and decent friends but absolutely terrible wings. One of my good male friends once winged for me one night at a bar. He was engaged at the time and he didn't distract the women in groups that would have been cocckblocks for me on my targets. Not good.

One of the highest notch count I know never read Mystery, Roosh, or any other PUA/Manosphere writer. In fact, his game was not that good. He was a spam approacher at bars with a weak opening line. It only worked because he is a 6'4" former NCAA athlete in a country club sport. His look is the kind of look that appeals to cookie cutter, bougie women like the types of women who would follow Koko Beaute on social media. He was a good niche marketer and had height going for him.

 

[mikedee]

I have spoken to a couple of my successful wings/friends and even guys who are good with women. One thing I seem to notice is that almost all of them look down on most "pickup artists" as losers they would never hang with. I often hear them say that they would never introduce hot girls they know to a lot of those weird guys. In a way, I agree. So I asked guys I know if the issue is cold approach or what, almost all of them were perfectly fine with cold approach and even advocate for it. Then a wing who has become my close friend said something that hit deep.

"I've known guys who have been running "game" for years but if I ask them to bring girls to my parties, they couldn't do it, what does that tell you?"

It hit me that as guys who get into game or anyone that observes "PUA", the goal seems way too short-sighted. Cold approach women (hit em with the same spammy pickup lines), get number, go for the lay, and then brag about your lay count. Afterwards, forget her and keep adding to your lay count. Then I see how so many PUAs end up as broken dudes who either marry ugly women or become some weird fanatic in politics or religion. Would I want to end up like any of these guys? No.

Because most never saw life in game beyond the lay count.

Their mentality is sleep with a woman, get the lay, and then try to approach more women and get more lays. I have known guys who do this and even a decade after doing it, they are still the same guys spam approaching women for a number. Then, I started to noticed diversion in guys who seem quite fulfilled with game.

These guys not only have a great rotation going but they can get a number of women and their friends to go to an event with them. Girls are okay with being unattached to the guy but love that he has access to cool events and parties that they can bring their friends to. A few of them even hook up with a girl's friend(s) that find the guy attractive. It's like an entirely new world and maybe my boy @Solomon can comment a bit on this and give his take.

New doors open that never opened before.

This past weekend, we had Ultra in Miami, a huge music festival. I didn't want to go but my wing who I am close friends with convinced me. My wing manages to invite a few girls out to come with him and he had a club promoter friend who did as well. We go and get right into VIP because he was close with one of the guys DJing at Ultra.

I've gone to music festivals before and they sucked for me. You were drinking, in a sweaty crowd, and girls were snobby to most men around them. This time around, it was a different area for me and a different experience. I talked to a few hot girls that were there and whenever I went to get water, I saw girls who were not in VIP staring at our tent and trying to talk to security to see how they can get in.

Later on, my wing and I connected and I asked him how he pulled it off. He told me that if you can get attractive women to come with you to cool events and introduce them to people like DJs and club promoters, they will usually look out for you but it takes some work.

I have seen this play out in the past and it gives a different experience. Getting VIP at a nightclub or getting into cool exclusive events because you happen to know a lot of hot girls. You get to a point where most of the Red Pill and bitter nonsense, you can't even relate to. It is a whole new experience as a guy that I am starting to get more and more used to in the past couple of years.

Why most PUAs end up broken and not fulfilled with game.

I think that deep down, just getting numbers and a lay are not enough. Most PUA types were losers in their adolescence and even if they get laid as adults, they are still losers. They might get a number but they couldn't get into a popular nightclub because bouncers and others know the kinds of guys they are. Meanwhile, the guys who are more fulfilled with game fix that misfit type of past and are now the kinds of men who can show up to an event with beautiful women by their arms and have other guys simping for their attention.

They get VIP at a club or some exclusive event.

One of my wings had an old high school classmate shout his name at a club and beg him to let her into VIP (she was drunk and the bouncer said no).

Maybe I am wrong and off target here.

I am still discovering this new approach to game and learning about it but so far, I feel like all of the guys I knew who got into game and went into this path are happier in life and with game itself. Meanwhile, the guys I know who are still doing spammy cold approaches and trying to chase notch counts are the same misfits that at best, might occasionally earn a lay.

Give your take

@Solomon
@SW15
@LucianoM
@Scars
@Bible_Belt

Along with lots of others I forgot.

What you friend told you doesn't mean anything. I'm good with women but I wouldn't bring women to your party (except the one I'm seeing IF I feel like inviting her).
The reason? I'm a loner and I don't hang out with women just for fun, I don't really have hot girl friends, "I'm not a friend" to women, I'm either they fckfriend or boyfriend.

But I understand your post, PUAs are losers, I agree with that.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Most heterosexual people have an interest in attracting the opposite s3x. And like it or not, the majority will go out of their way somehow so facilitate that attraction, whether that be OLD, dressing up, going out on the pull, allowing themselves to be set up by friends. Whatever.
Broadly, there are two main types of guys who arrive at sites like these: jilted men and incels. The Venn diagram overlaps significantly, with those who don't know how to behave with women, or at least do not understand the nature of men and women.
Enter the PUA. He starts off somewhere in the spectrum of the above two categories, learns a few tips and tricks and has some success. Probably more success than he's ever had. This ideology then consumes him, like any other addiction, circleljerking with his buddies online about the latest theories, strategies and techniques. Very little if any interest is paid to broader life improvements.

Again, broadly speaking, the two initial groups of men evolve in to two other distinct groups; those who pedal theory and spend a lot of time online bemoaning sh!t, especially women, but realise little or no success because they do not put anything they've learned to practical use; and a second group who do practice and fail and practice and fail, but improve all the while, doing different things for their own greater good, not just for the sake of success with women. The venn diagram this time, complete in the middle by you PUA man, who despite realising some success, still bases his life on getting poon, and ultimately remains personally unfulfilled.

TLDR; you're nothing but an empty shell if your entire life revolves around meeting and banging women.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

I'm long past the point of going out of my way to score "lays." At some point, women come and go like buses. I'm more interested in meeting people who can help me with my goals. At this point, in social settings it's usually women asking me for my number, not vice versa. Sometimes I contact, sometimes not. Sometimes I plum forget. The lays happen as they happen, so what. No game required, just living my true self. Women and attraction = old hat and not part of my main drive, just a nice distraction.

 

[radha]

It sounds like your friend is just trying to manipulate you into bringing women to his party so he can hit on them. If you ever have an LTR with a hot girl you'll quickly learn that you dread bringing her into any environment where there are several other high value guys. Unless you are married and she's wearing the ring, she will get hit on constantly as soon as you leave her side and then you have to spend the entire night dealing with the unpleasantness of other guys trying to out-alpha you. It sounds bad but you really do want to isolate your girl as much as possible - bringing her to a bar, club or party with other high value guys is a really really bad idea so I'd say it sounds like your friends that are supposedly good with women are either manipulating you or they are not dating desirable women otherwise they would be very aware of this issue.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

It sounds like your friend is just trying to manipulate you into bringing women to his party so he can hit on them. If you ever have an LTR with a hot girl you'll quickly learn that you dread bringing her into any environment where there are several other high value guys. Unless you are married and she's wearing the ring, she will get hit on constantly as soon as you leave her side and then you have to spend the entire night dealing with the unpleasantness of other guys trying to out-alpha you. It sounds bad but you really do want to isolate your girl as much as possible - bringing her to a bar, club or party with other high value guys is a really really bad idea so I'd say it sounds like your friends that are supposedly good with women are either manipulating you or they are not dating desirable women otherwise they would be very aware of this issue.

Respectfully disagree with this. If you are unable to socialise in a normal every day capacity as you would normally, there is either something wrong with you or something wrong with her, or both. It's your insecurity, or her wandering eye, or the two combined. If you can't trust her when you're physically there with her, what happens when she's out socialising without you...? It's almost certainly going to be an issue with any woman over 7-8/10 in an LTR at some point. It's how you deal with it that counts most.

How would TMK deal with that? Reciprocate and then explicate her own previous actions to her as and when she pulls you up on your own flirting, because she almost certainly will. You should always be talking to other women in her presence as a rule. And there should be a split second now and then where it's like she's not even there at all. They would and do do it, and so should you.

 

[SW15]

But I understand your post, PUAs are losers, I agree with that.

They start out as losers and don't apply the PUA tactics into real life well enough. Neil Strauss was a short man and borderline incel before getting into PUA. He was able to apply the strategies and tactics well, but the more typical man attracted to PUA content doesn't end up applying the theoretical knowledge well in real life interactions. His outcomes with PUA are generally limited.

Broadly, there are two main types of guys who arrive at sites like these: jilted men and incels. The Venn diagram overlaps significantly, with those who don't know how to behave with women, or at least do not understand the nature of men and women.
Enter the PUA. He starts off somewhere in the spectrum of the above two categories, learns a few tips and tricks and has some success. Probably more success than he's ever had. This ideology then consumes him, like any other addiction, circleljerking with his buddies online about the latest theories, strategies and techniques. Very little if any interest is paid to broader life improvements.

Again, broadly speaking, the two initial groups of men evolve in to two other distinct groups; those who pedal theory and spend a lot of time online bemoaning sh!t, especially women, but realise little or no success because they do not put anything they've learned to practical use; and a second group who do practice and fail and practice and fail, but improve all the while, doing different things for their own greater good, not just for the sake of success with women. The venn diagram this time, complete in the middle by you PUA man, who despite realising some success, still bases his life on getting poon, and ultimately remains personally unfulfilled.

Incels/borderline incels have experienced little to no success in dating and have an extensive history of being jilted. These are the men that are going to have a more difficult time succeeding. Neil Strauss was the big success story from this category.

There are jilted men that have had some sort of success with women. There are jilted men that arrive in the pickup universe after a failed non-marital relationship or two of around 2-3 years. While these men have a host of beta traits, they were at least able to get something, have a better starting place in pickup, and are likely more socially competent. These men have a better chance of achieving success. Sometimes, there are even divorced men and divorced men with children in this jilted category. The success cases from this category are likely more numerous but not as well known as the cases of Neil Strauss or Roosh.

 

[Bingo-Player]

OP all you are referring to is prime social status

Of course a chick is going to give you an easy ride if she sees you as some sort of value proposition that has access to ViP , backstage and fast track

Its the game set on easy .......you're pre qualifying yourself via your environment

In 2023 its almost smarter to approach men than it is women seeing as males will generally have the keys to the status

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I rarely go to parties or social gatherings (because I am a lone wolf) but if I do, I don't go to bring women.

I would go to get women.

 

[Dr.Suave]

It sounds like your friend is just trying to manipulate you into bringing women to his party so he can hit on them.

I thought maybe he was kind of taking a jab at Jesse for the time of the boat party in which he didnt invite any girls.

 

[kavi]

Join my new order of Kayanian Kingship and use Game to build Civilization according to the most ancient elite order of Eurasian civilization builders the Brghus. Never pay for women instead use Game and women to become a leader of Civilization. This is the Bhrigu order of Alpha Males and mirrors the dichomotomy of Alpha Beta and Pimp Trick.

I know more than anyone about history after many years of reseach I learnt I am descended from the most illustrious Eurasian order of the Fire. Anciently Bhrgus specialised in Civilization building, boats, cities, towns aka BYZantiam, Balk, Bryges, Belgium, AlBORz, Alps, berg, Brigantia, Bridget, Breton, Brilliant, Bright, Blazing, Flaming, Fire, Pyre, Phyrigians.

Bhrgus built the Car for the Gods, the ancient Chariot. For the Thunder God Kavi Usana fashioned the bolt. Earlier, the Fire was gifted to Bhrgu who brought it to mankind. Prometheus brought Fire for mankind, but Zeus punished him for that. Then came the flood when civilization was deluged with nomads and violence. From the flood recent history is descended, into the marriage system which the flood myth symbolises.

The marriage system and the system of men paying descends from the chaos of the great flood. This is the beta male system of recent history, religions, nationalism, excess wars and the marriage system. This is the Beta male current system and in it all men will lose.

The Bhrigu order of Civilization will re-emerge. This is because women are not satisfied in the current Beta male system, even though they can have it all, except Alpha. Alpha is Game and all women want Game. Game=Civilizational order and hence recent nomad warriors had no concept of Game, and the current Nation-state system based on recent history, religions, marriage, money, violence does not provide women enough Game or Alpha leadership to make them happy.

You can provide women the Game and real Alpha level needed with the help of the Kaviani Kingship. The Kavi dynasty, of Kavi Usana, was the greatest Kingship of Eurasia. The Kavi banner and fame is found across Iran, Caucasus and Europe. Kaviani Kingship was Bhrigu Kingship and so the new Kaviani Kingship will be used to bring back the order of the Fire of Civilization-building.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I rarely go to parties or social gatherings (because I am a lone wolf) but if I do, I don't go to bring women.

I would go to get women.

In other words, take value and never give it. I am not talking about you when I say this and describe this sort of behavior as you say you rarely go to parties or social gatherings. Plus you are putting the work in to cold approach which I like so great job.

However, guys who go to the parties of other guys just to get girls rarely, if ever, get invited back. It is seen as taking value from others and never giving any back in return. It is leech-like behavior, a total turn off, and things low-value men do.

I would not call you low value since you rarely go to parties and you do cold approach but guys who try to get into parties just to game girls while not bringing girls of their own are leeches.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

People missed the point of my entire post and I think it is because I worded it improperly.

The point I was trying to make is that a lot of men are missing out on a new area of game which is being able to go to the best events with hot girls, have them accompany you, explore more hidden and exclusive scenes because of them, and have higher quality women in your circle as a result of all that. And no, you don't get this by "gaming" guys. Guys either want money or lots of hot girls themselves. What benefit do they have in hanging out with some guy who offers neither unless they are related to him or he saved their lives or something rare like that?

I cannot help but feel that so many of these pickup dudes end up broken losers because all they were doing is learning one spammy routine, trying to chase a lay count, and then building nothing from the women that did give them their numbers/social media. Deep down inside, it is like they were always that high school nerd but now, they just got a desperate woman to give them a number. What I was talking about is being able to up your social life and quality of life by having success with women.

Game should be a transferrable skill that at its peak, gives you access to scenes and parts of life most men would never have access to.

However, the concept is quite new, I am exploring it myself and I don't expect others to get it either.

 

[RazorRambo24]

People missed the point of my entire post and I think it is because I worded it improperly.

The point I was trying to make is that a lot of men are missing out on a new area of game which is being able to go to the best events with hot girls, have them accompany you, explore more hidden and exclusive scenes because of them, and have higher quality women in your circle as a result of all that.

Idk man, alot of social extroverts have been doing all the **** you are talking about here. I been going to music festivals for a very long time, going to clubs for a very long time. With groups of friends, with chicks, sometimes even just solo or with a single friend. Naturally social and cool people find the cool sht to do.. Not just that, as teens we were going to tons of parties, etc.. I mean we were just ur average cool social people.. and literally nothing special considering all cool social people were getting action since early on

It just sounds like you realized way too late in life that you were admiring guys who just sell courses to losers / men who wanted to learn how to get laid.. by creating afake aura about them.. When those same dudes get rejcted 50x just to get 5 successes on camera to continue selling courses.

and p.s. I hate to say it but your friend was bsing you.. ANYONE can buy VIP tickets to any music festival. Unless he was a sponsor of some kind or with EMT services, he didn't get free VIP tickets

 

[NealIRC]

I have spoken to a couple of my successful wings/friends and even guys who are good with women. One thing I seem to notice is that almost all of them look down on most "pickup artists" as losers they would never hang with.

Then how do your successful friends get girls then, if they shame-down on PUA?

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

In other words, take value and never give it. I am not talking about you when I say this and describe this sort of behavior as you say you rarely go to parties or social gatherings. Plus you are putting the work in to cold approach which I like so great job.

However, guys who go to the parties of other guys just to get girls rarely, if ever, get invited back. It is seen as taking value from others and never giving any back in return. It is leech-like behavior, a total turn off, and things low-value men do.

I wasn't aware of that.

Good insight.

I would not call you low value since you rarely go to parties and you do cold approach but guys who try to get into parties just to game girls while not bringing girls of their own are leeches.

I can see a dude bringing girls to the party, only if he has a bunch of platonic friends (having women as platonic friends seems very beta to me).

I doubt a dude is going to bring girls that he is smashing to the party. For what purpose?

 

[SW15]

(having women as platonic friends seems very beta to me).

It is beta. It can be one of the more effective strategies for beta males to use to eventually get long term girlfriends.

A lot of beta males have platonic female friends who introduce them to women they know. Without the mutual introduction, the beta would be quickly dismissed. Women will give more fair assessments to betas they meet through social circles vs. betas they meet on swipe apps or through an in-person stranger approach.

Plenty of beta males have long term girlfriends/wives as a result of having female friends they knew in Grades K-8 and staying in that same area as adults. This happens regularly in smaller towns and mid-size metros. This is the type of person that never makes it on to a forum like SoSuave.

Social circles/networks are great for getting a girlfriend. Pay close attention to the words "a girlfriend". That means one girlfriend. If you're looking for an extended relationship (2-5 years or more), your best bet for getting that with the least amount of grief and frustration is social circle. That's true for betas and non-betas. Many men who get social circle girlfriends tend to retain those girlfriends for a long time and often beyond the useful life of the relationship. A lot of the social circle girlfriend guys are beta males and beta males operate from a scarcity mindset. It's common to see a 10 year relationship (and counting) relationship from social circle which does lead to a marriage proposal.

The problem with social circles becomes sustainability over a longer period of time (5+ years). Social circles have a way of getting pissed off at men who continually exchange girlfriends without marriage or babies, even if the relationships are semi-long (1-4 years). This is because most social circles are ideologically blue pill in their approach to romantic relationships. After 2 or so instances of medium term relationships, the social circle will run dry. Social circle is not likely ideal for a serial monogamist who does have extended relationships but doesn't commit or the player type who tends to have relationships of less than 1 year.

 

[RazorRambo24]

It is beta. It can be one of the more effective strategies for beta males to use to eventually get long term girlfriends.

A lot of beta males have platonic female friends who introduce them to women they know. Without the mutual introduction, the beta would be quickly dismissed. Women will give more fair assessments to betas they meet through social circles vs. betas they meet on swipe apps or through an in-person stranger approach.

It is beta. It can be one of the more effective strategies for beta males to use to eventually get long term girlfriends.

A lot of beta males have platonic female friends who introduce them to women they know. Without the mutual introduction, the beta would be quickly dismissed. Women will give more fair assessments to betas they meet through social circles vs. betas they meet on swipe apps or through an in-person stranger approach.

Dudes often tell me i'm one of the most alpha people they've ever met... I have female friends. In no way shape or form is having female friends beta. Saying that **** is a coping mechanism when you know you have no female friends or can't acquire them.

Having female friends is as normal for NORMAL people as it is to own a credit card. For a normal, socially extroverted person, its harder NOT to have a female friend than it is to have one.. I mean especially if you don't live in a town where the max pop is 2,000 people.

Women bring around more women than any man can.. Women do **** like plan halloween parties, friendsgiving, holiday parties, hangouts, throw potlucks.. they invite so many diff chicks and this is where you meet quality women most of the time.. instead of places like Tinder or the Club where most attraction and socializing is based on superficialities.

The ONLY time having female friends is beta is if you hang out with women more than you hang out with men.

I mean think about what you're saying. What is a FWB? A female friend that you bang.. What are plates? Same thing. If some of you don't have a FWB , how are you getting laid consistently?

That being said I didn't have genuine female friends until my 20's.. Before that, most female friends were chicks that I mostly just smoked with or banged, or we'd invite to parties..

Imagine throwing a party, claiming you are alphas and having no female friends to invite ....

 

[mikedee]

Dudes often tell me i'm one of the most alpha people they've ever met... I have female friends. In no way shape or form is having female friends beta. Saying that **** is a coping mechanism when you know you have no female friends or can't acquire them.

Having female friends is as normal for NORMAL people as it is to own a credit card. For a normal, socially extroverted person, its harder NOT to have a female friend than it is to have one.. I mean especially if you don't live in a town where the max pop is 2,000 people.

Women bring around more women than any man can.. Women do **** like plan halloween parties, friendsgiving, holiday parties, hangouts, throw potlucks.. they invite so many diff chicks and this is where you meet quality women most of the time.. instead of places like Tinder or the Club where most attraction and socializing is based on superficialities.

The ONLY time having female friends is beta is if you hang out with women more than you hang out with men.

I mean think about what you're saying. What is a FWB? A female friend that you bang.. What are plates? Same thing. If some of you don't have a FWB , how are you getting laid consistently?

That being said I didn't have genuine female friends until my 20's.. Before that, most female friends were chicks that I mostly just smoked with or banged, or we'd invite to parties..

Imagine throwing a party, claiming you are alphas and having no female friends to invite ....

Throwing partys? Ain't no time for partys. In my opinion alpha males get invited to partys, they don't throw partys, they don't have time for that. What a waste of time. IF I would ever throw a "party" I would invite my boys only, no females, no drama. You're not alpha because you can show other people that you know a lot of people or bring girls to partys. Being alpha is to live by your own rules, have values and stick to them, be a man of integrity and love your mama. If you care about what people think if there are no girls at your party, you're definitely not alpha.

You guys think too much, if you want a girl, you go on the street an you pick one, thats it.