Murks T levels (|) - Test results came back at 300

[Divorced w 3]

I can’t wait to get this figured out. I am through two RX of the C and the cvs is like, dude we can’t keep filling this bottle until March now. It’s a great situation to be in but also incredibly stressful.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I can’t wait to get this figured out. I am through two RX of the C and the cvs is like, dude we can’t keep filling this bottle until March now. It’s a great situation to be in but also incredibly stressful.

Can you expand on this? mg/ml and when you started?

 

[Divorced w 3]

Can you expand on this? mg/ml and when you started?

Recently in the last 3.5 weeks, about halfway through that time period I would double down the Cialis dose. I would go into a weekend for example taking 40mg Cialis.

It was like 10x in 1.5 days a couple weeks ago. We are laughing about it at this point. The dosage though was really doing a number on my head. I am glad I learned about the effects of Estradiol. It makes sense now, it’s treatable. Incredibly relieved.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

This libido issue on Dex makes me concerned. I have Cialis right now because, as you can see I have massive T numbers but also high E, so it was the first approach until I went on TRT. I thought I would start taking Dex asap while I was shooting because it may start to chip the E back but I don’t wanna have it go the totally opposite direction. If I take .5mg Dex as prescribed and 320/wk cyp I am not gonna go limp fish am I?

secondly, I wonder if I could have skipped Trt entirely and just gone with Dex?? If I start shooting gear I am gonna look like fvcking Arnold.

Take Aromasin not Adex.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Actually, that's looked at as bro-science now.... There is no evidence of Rebound.

Not according to this article quoting studies done on it.

Arimidex Side Effects

Side effects associated with Arimidex. Negative Arimidex side effects linked to estrogen reduction.

www.steroidal.com

Even taking that out of the equation Aromasin additionally has a neutral or favorable effect on cholesterol versus Adex which has a negative effect and Aromasin also boosts IGF-1 production by up to 25%.

It's just a far better drug for what it's meant to do and there really isn't much to debate about.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Guys who are taking T, what were your levels before?

I can’t see the point me doing test cycles at 600. However, I would possibly be interested in a cycle to pack on muscle. They say you lose it all but thag doesn’t seem to be the case. Guys I know who did cycles still look bigger nowadays than people who never did. If you do one or two cycles to bulk, do you then have to f with hormones forever?

i met a guy who was massive who did gear and he said he never even bothered with PCT.

is 600 enough to build a fair bit of muscle? If I banged an extra 500 pinning test, would it make a big difference? Or worth trying diannabol? That seems to be one which gets massive results

or at 600 just leave alone as I can build pretty good on that?

I was at 150.

FYI, there isn't much difference in muscle mass until you reach supra physiological levels of Test.

The big difference comes in reduction of fat, especially abdominal fat.

Even going from 300 to 600 will show around a 40% reduction in abdominal fat.

If you want a boost to muscle mass you would do well to look at adding a basic SARM like Ostarine which will help with building muscle.

Other than that, you won't see much difference in muscle mass until your T levels get over 1300

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Or adding anavar, super mild but effective

Yeah anavar is one of my favorites.

Actually used that with Ostarine and TRT and it was one of my best results ever from gear.

Unfortunately I am extremely limited with what I can do. My body doesn't like gear. Had to even stop a basic Test cycle because my heart was racing too much and my blood pressure was way too high even with every possible thing to prevent it and do it safely.

I envy people who have no issues with it.

 

[EyeBRollin]

right so my levels of 600 are enough to look fairly fit and muscular but I won’t get that big bodybuilder look? That’s fine, I don’t really want to look huge. More of a swimmer physique. Am not going though all the BS on hormones for life for the sake of looking massive and ripped

Mine was 453 when I tested and I have no problem staying lean or building muscle…

 

[EyeBRollin]

I have high blood pressure, even though I've exercised my whole life and played sports funny I know, I got it from my mom and was diagnosed 3 years ago.

I lowered my BP from 135/85 to 115/75 in 2 months just by cutting out meat, added salt, and upping my water intake to a gallon per day. HBP runs in my family. If you help your body flush the salts out it lowers blood pressure.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Not according to this article quoting studies done on it.

Arimidex Side Effects

Side effects associated with Arimidex. Negative Arimidex side effects linked to estrogen reduction.

www.steroidal.com

Even taking that out of the equation Aromasin additionally has a neutral or favorable effect on cholesterol versus Adex which has a negative effect and Aromasin also boosts IGF-1 production by up to 25%.

It's just a far better drug for what it's meant to do and there really isn't much to debate about.

I didn't see studies cited that pertained to the rebound claim. Though, I agree that exemestane is better for most for the other reasons listed. Though some don't respond to exemestane, while they do to Adex. I don't care what the studies say, on underground bodybuilding forums, it's more common knowledge that "rebound" is bro-science. With that said, I'd try aromasin first....

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I didn't see studies cited that pertained to the rebound claim. Though, I agree that exemestane is better for most for the other reasons listed. Though some don't respond to exemestane, while they do to Adex. I don't care what the studies say, on underground bodybuilding forums, it's more common knowledge that "rebound" is bro-science. With that said, I'd try aromasin first....

No offense but most of the dude on those forums don't even use AIs and end up with E levels near 100 then wonder why they are an emotional trainwreck

 

[DonJuanjr]

No offense but most of the dude on those forums don't even use AIs and end up with E levels near 100 then wonder why they are an emotional trainwreck

You must not be on the right ones... There's plenty of dudes being very responsible with testing and compound administration. Enough to see that there isn't really any evidence with rebound.

 

[Divorced w 3]

The gear is here!

Just took my first shot and first Dex dose.
70mg TCyp,(2x) .5 mg Dex (2x)

Email to Dr. to make sure the labs are accelerated to monitor the E2 (I have super high E2)

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The gear is here!

Just took my first shot and first Dex dose.
70mg TCyp,(2x) .5 mg Dex (2x)

Email to Dr. to make sure the labs are accelerated to monitor the E2 (I have super high E2)

Dex is crap, but I guess doctors just go along with what everyone else does.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I bought a bottle of Tongkat just for the hell of it and it did not disappoint. The Dex plus tongkat are a fire combo.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I bought a bottle of Tongkat just for the hell of it and it did not disappoint. The Dex plus tongkat are a fire combo.

I'm starting to think you're full of shjt. How can you say arimidex and tongkat are a "fire combo" as if you notice a difference, when you just got the anastrazole yesterday, and it hasn't even had time to take effect. Not to mention, you wouldn't notice the effect anyways....

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'm starting to think you're full of shjt. How can you say arimidex and tongkat are a "fire combo" as if you notice a difference, when you just got the anastrazole yesterday, and it hasn't even had time to take effect. Not to mention, you wouldn't notice the effect anyways....

That placebo effect is real...

 

[Divorced w 3]

I'm starting to think you're full of shjt. How can you say arimidex and tongkat are a "fire combo" as if you notice a difference, when you just got the anastrazole yesterday, and it hasn't even had time to take effect. Not to mention, you wouldn't notice the effect anyways....

No I’m definitely on gear now. I know that cycles take time to build and I am not even on a cycle, just TRT, so that’s not it.

My understanding is Tongkat is effective quickly which is why I bought it, to get a bit of a jump with the Dex. I took 400 mg.

Dex needs less than 24 hours. I have high T now and the Dex isn’t going to do anything but suppress E2. Possible that it loosened up my free T.

I’ve been on cycles, I know what it feels like to have increased T. My workout was strong, my libido is legit, my attitude is focused, the feeling is definitely not placebo. Whether it’s Dex alone or combo thereof, tbd.

Plenty of Reddit comments about quick response time on Tongkat also.

 

[Divorced w 3]

That placebo effect is real...

No. I know what my body feels like with greater T, so it’s just a question of is it Dex on its own or the Tongkat give it a boost.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

No. I know what my body feels like with greater T, so it’s just a question of is it Dex on its own or the Tongkat give it a boost.

That's not T you are feeling. It doesn't work like that and especially not that quickly.