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The second one is a completely accurate description of me, that's exactly how I am. And at times I feel like its a problem that cannot be solved.
Yes it can, you need to literally tell yourself you can do these things even if you don't believe it, act as if...if you have to.

If you don't want women and have given up I guess that's your prerogative, but if you want them you need to put yourself out there and let your ego potentially take a hit. It is a problem that can be solved, but your not doing anything about it from the sounds of it? I was the same way for a while and eventually I got tired of it and took a leap of faith and it paid off massively. You'll always be a 'failure' if you don't try to begin with.
 

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Yes it can, you need to literally tell yourself you can do these things even if you don't believe it, act as if...if you have to.

If you don't want women and have given up I guess that's your prerogative, but if you want them you need to put yourself out there and let your ego potentially take a hit. It is a problem that can be solved, but your not doing anything about it from the sounds of it? I was the same way for a while and eventually I got tired of it and took a leap of faith and it paid off massively. You'll always be a 'failure' if you don't try to begin with.
Yeah but again, its the issue of not having any experience at 30 being a huge catch-22 and the fact that so many women are probably gonna look down on me for still living at home with my parents and not having any friends.
 

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The second one is a completely accurate description of me, that's exactly how I am. And at times I feel like its a problem that cannot be solved.
Big muscles and a great physique solves that.
 

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Yeah but again, its the issue of not having any experience at 30 being a huge catch-22 and the fact that so many women are probably gonna look down on me for still living at home with my parents and not having any friends.
Quit caring and drop that losing by default mindset entirely. Selective abstraction, personalization and generalization of things are cognitive distortions. You can't predict the future, you don't know how things will turn out until you try. This is all inner game kind of stuff.
I'm working on that, focused on losing weight right now and then I'm gonna focus on muscle building. I was 218 lbs when I started and my goal is 180-190
Hell yeah man
 

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Quit caring and drop that losing by default mindset entirely. Selective abstraction, personalization and generalization of things are cognitive distortions. You can't predict the future, you don't know how things will turn out until you try. This is all inner game kind of stuff.

Hell yeah man
So what would you recommend then when the subject of my living situation and social life would come up then? I’ve already been told when it comes to the inexperience to not mention anything about it and just try to change the subject without revealing much if it comes up. But if anything, the other 2 things will probably be brought up first.
 

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So what would you recommend then when the subject of my living situation and social life would come up then? I’ve already been told when it comes to the inexperience to not mention anything about it and just try to change the subject without revealing much if it comes up. But if anything, the other 2 things will probably be brought up first.
F*** it i'll bite.

On experience

If a girl is really into you SHE WILL NOT CARE and a girl that has experience will know right off the bat if you've not done it before anyways. Should you reveal this info to her? Generally I'd say no, but honest to god there are women that do not care. If you've gotten her out on some dates, brought her back home, and she's undressing in front of you, she's into you. She isn't gonna suddenly pop all her clothes back on and dip out when she realizes you're new to things...


I was a late bloomer and spent time in sexually absent relationships due to mutual hangups and a conservative/religious background. It bugged me for a while, the whole 'experience' thing and I was living at home in a complete dry spell. Eventually, I just said **** it and put myself out there and it worked out. It was all internalized fear and with each passing year it became larger and larger. I got tired of it. The girl I landed could give less of a s*** because with my attitude and mentality alone she thought I had a high notch count at the time. Did I perform well? Nope! but I didn't care and neither did she... and once again if the girl is into you genuinely she will see past that and even show you the ropes. And if the lack of experience bugs her she can piss off.
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On being at home and social life

I am younger than you and still live at home, but I felt similar to you in the not so distant past. I had the same thought that since I live at home what girl would want anything to do with me??? Well the girls i'm seeing now don't care, I also actively sought out girls with their own place. (I quite literally put in my tinder bio I'm homebound for now and if that's a problem adios). You need to care less about it and make do. I don’t know why you are homebound, but I am not going to judge you on that. Dating has been a core motivator in getting my ass out of my parents house among other things… Why is it you still live at home? Are you actively working to get out on your own? Do you want to move out? Having drive and being on your purpose is attractive to women and if a girl sees your desire and willingness to change she may look past living at home entirely. Also, post pandemic a lot of people moved back home, it isn’t that big of a deal if you don’t make it one. That said, I'd say trying to get out is a good thing in general. Again… I don’t know why you are homebound, but reflect on whether you ‘should’ be out and what you are doing to move you towards that goal.

As for social life.
If you haven't made an effort to maintain a social group then it is what it is. All you can do is start putting yourself out there and making new connections. It is hard and I've had to start fresh multiple times, but it is possible. Just like in dating you need to take the initiative and put yourself in environments with people who interest you. Force yourself out if you have to and if you’ve got social anxiety it's time to tackle it.
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On inner game

Your posts come across as someone severely lacking in confidence and it sounds like you do not value yourself. Your username alone speaks volumes, we all need some self improvement and as a man you should be in a constant pursuit of excellence and growth. With that in mind:

-Do not self deprecate. it will only keep you in the cycle of commiseration and cynicism.

-Do not validate your confirmation biases before you have even dipped your toes in the water.

-Do not allow the negative views of others cloud and influence your judgment. (misery loves company)

-Do not talk down to yourself period. Acknowledge those self defeating thoughts and address them head on. You’ve got to have the balls to confront your insecurities.

-Do! test your comfort zone

-Do! take inventory of your life and assess

-Do! create tangible and achievable goals

-Do! give yourself credit when you have achieved something




Come to understand you are your own worst enemy.

You are the limiting factor in your own growth and success with women, money and life on the whole. It is not some hippy dippy hoohah, it is reality. If you tell yourself you are a failure then you will internalize that as your de facto state of mind. That is not healthy. You need to learn to value yourself more and express gratitude. Alongside that you must address as candidly as possible where you are lacking. Identify your own sexual market value and see if your standards for women match where you currently are. Depending on where you stack up, adjust as needed or create reasonable expectations. Remember that in dating you reflect out like a mirror. You want some super hot babe? You better be a hot dude or very successful. Keep that in mind…

You should be the priority in your life right now. If you aren’t where you want to be in life then put women aside for the time being and focus on you and you alone. Inner game like its name only comes from within. You need confidence and to build that takes a concerted effort and a good chunk of time. There is no ‘too late’ there is just now. Come to terms with things as they are and decide to make a change in your life for the better. That is a hard but necessary thing to do.

Start small. Stack W’s not L’s. Something as simple as setting an intention to get up on time or go for a walk is a good start. Do not wait for motivation to come, kill it with discipline instead! As you begin to stack wins you will build momentum. You mentioned in another post you have lost a significant amount of weight, that is fantastic and you should be proud. Now keep going and march towards your fitness goals like you would anything else in life. Quit finding new self imposed obstacles to impede your progress.



I’ve seen a lot of your posts here today man, I get the impression you aren’t in the best place mentally and I empathize with you. If you are depressed, consider seeking professional help. I’m going to leave a link to a post I think you should read as it is extremely pertinent.


That and if you haven’t read it I highly recommend No More Mr.Nice Guy by Dr.Glover.
 

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I'm working on that, focused on losing weight right now and then I'm gonna focus on muscle building. I was 218 lbs when I started and my goal is 180-190
I did 215 to 180 in 3 months at 6'2. Now just leaning out to 12% bf while packing on muscle. I can't lie the way I fit clothes and look naked kinda turns me on. I slayed OLD before (26 new lays in a year), I will destroy it when I jump on again.
 

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In the past few months I have had the most matches on Hinge. Nothing on Tinder, and Bumble seemed to be holding my supposed 20 or so matches for a subscription ransom. I used the same pictures on each.

Is it better to just get a subscription? I mean it doesn’t really cost that much. How much does a pro photographer usually charge?
I grabbed the lifetime Bumble subscription. It cost me about the same as one decent night on the town, and I'll have it forever.

The other ones I just let things build up for a while and get a few months at a time or something.
 

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I did 215 to 180 in 3 months at 6'2. Now just leaning out to 12% bf while packing on muscle. I can't lie the way I fit clothes and look naked kinda turns me on. I slayed OLD before (26 new lays in a year), I will destroy it when I jump on again.
That’s great man, hopefully the weight will be lost just as easily for me. I’m avoiding carbs and sugar at all costs and it seems to be working so far. I’m gonna start with muscle exercises after I burn some more fat.
 

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F*** it i'll bite.

On experience

If a girl is really into you SHE WILL NOT CARE and a girl that has experience will know right off the bat if you've not done it before anyways. Should you reveal this info to her? Generally I'd say no, but honest to god there are women that do not care. If you've gotten her out on some dates, brought her back home, and she's undressing in front of you, she's into you. She isn't gonna suddenly pop all her clothes back on and dip out when she realizes you're new to things...


I was a late bloomer and spent time in sexually absent relationships due to mutual hangups and a conservative/religious background. It bugged me for a while, the whole 'experience' thing and I was living at home in a complete dry spell. Eventually, I just said **** it and put myself out there and it worked out. It was all internalized fear and with each passing year it became larger and larger. I got tired of it. The girl I landed could give less of a s*** because with my attitude and mentality alone she thought I had a high notch count at the time. Did I perform well? Nope! but I didn't care and neither did she... and once again if the girl is into you genuinely she will see past that and even show you the ropes. And if the lack of experience bugs her she can piss off.
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On being at home and social life

I am younger than you and still live at home, but I felt similar to you in the not so distant past. I had the same thought that since I live at home what girl would want anything to do with me??? Well the girls i'm seeing now don't care, I also actively sought out girls with their own place. (I quite literally put in my tinder bio I'm homebound for now and if that's a problem adios). You need to care less about it and make do. I don’t know why you are homebound, but I am not going to judge you on that. Dating has been a core motivator in getting my ass out of my parents house among other things… Why is it you still live at home? Are you actively working to get out on your own? Do you want to move out? Having drive and being on your purpose is attractive to women and if a girl sees your desire and willingness to change she may look past living at home entirely. Also, post pandemic a lot of people moved back home, it isn’t that big of a deal if you don’t make it one. That said, I'd say trying to get out is a good thing in general. Again… I don’t know why you are homebound, but reflect on whether you ‘should’ be out and what you are doing to move you towards that goal.

As for social life.
If you haven't made an effort to maintain a social group then it is what it is. All you can do is start putting yourself out there and making new connections. It is hard and I've had to start fresh multiple times, but it is possible. Just like in dating you need to take the initiative and put yourself in environments with people who interest you. Force yourself out if you have to and if you’ve got social anxiety it's time to tackle it.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
On inner game

Your posts come across as someone severely lacking in confidence and it sounds like you do not value yourself. Your username alone speaks volumes, we all need some self improvement and as a man you should be in a constant pursuit of excellence and growth. With that in mind:

-Do not self deprecate. it will only keep you in the cycle of commiseration and cynicism.

-Do not validate your confirmation biases before you have even dipped your toes in the water.

-Do not allow the negative views of others cloud and influence your judgment. (misery loves company)

-Do not talk down to yourself period. Acknowledge those self defeating thoughts and address them head on. You’ve got to have the balls to confront your insecurities.

-Do! test your comfort zone

-Do! take inventory of your life and assess

-Do! create tangible and achievable goals

-Do! give yourself credit when you have achieved something




Come to understand you are your own worst enemy.

You are the limiting factor in your own growth and success with women, money and life on the whole. It is not some hippy dippy hoohah, it is reality. If you tell yourself you are a failure then you will internalize that as your de facto state of mind. That is not healthy. You need to learn to value yourself more and express gratitude. Alongside that you must address as candidly as possible where you are lacking. Identify your own sexual market value and see if your standards for women match where you currently are. Depending on where you stack up, adjust as needed or create reasonable expectations. Remember that in dating you reflect out like a mirror. You want some super hot babe? You better be a hot dude or very successful. Keep that in mind…

You should be the priority in your life right now. If you aren’t where you want to be in life then put women aside for the time being and focus on you and you alone. Inner game like its name only comes from within. You need confidence and to build that takes a concerted effort and a good chunk of time. There is no ‘too late’ there is just now. Come to terms with things as they are and decide to make a change in your life for the better. That is a hard but necessary thing to do.

Start small. Stack W’s not L’s. Something as simple as setting an intention to get up on time or go for a walk is a good start. Do not wait for motivation to come, kill it with discipline instead! As you begin to stack wins you will build momentum. You mentioned in another post you have lost a significant amount of weight, that is fantastic and you should be proud. Now keep going and march towards your fitness goals like you would anything else in life. Quit finding new self imposed obstacles to impede your progress.



I’ve seen a lot of your posts here today man, I get the impression you aren’t in the best place mentally and I empathize with you. If you are depressed, consider seeking professional help. I’m going to leave a link to a post I think you should read as it is extremely pertinent.


That and if you haven’t read it I highly recommend No More Mr.Nice Guy by Dr.Glover.
Wow! That’s gotta be some of the best advice I’ve gotten on here hands down! I wish SS allowed users to give some type of award for really helpful advice. What you wrote is very impressive. I saw that you asked why I still live at home, its because in my area the cost of living is extremely high and even a small studio apartment in a dangerous neighborhood is about $1,400 a month where I’m at. I’ve also looked into renting a room in a shared house where everyone else in the house is also renters, and even that is like $1,200 a month for a single room with a shared bathroom. So I want to move out very badly, but its simply a financial issue and I can’t afford to move out. But I am trying to save up to move out of this area and move to a different state that’s cheaper. I don’t think I mentioned it to you, but I am going to school online and also working for a family member’s business a couple days at a time when he needs an extra hand and he pays me $100 a day, I also do DoorDash in addition to that, so its not like I’m sitting in my parents basement doing absolutely nothing day after day. Do you think that women would be less likely to care about my living situation if they know that I’m both working and going to school? Yes I am focusing on weight loss and getting in shape and I will continue to do that, I will also try again to quit porn once and for all. Thanks again for what you said!
 

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Wow! That’s gotta be some of the best advice I’ve gotten on here hands down! I wish SS allowed users to give some type of award for really helpful advice. What you wrote is very impressive. I saw that you asked why I still live at home, its because in my area the cost of living is extremely high and even a small studio apartment in a dangerous neighborhood is about $1,400 a month where I’m at. I’ve also looked into renting a room in a shared house where everyone else in the house is also renters, and even that is like $1,200 a month for a single room with a shared bathroom. So I want to move out very badly, but its simply a financial issue and I can’t afford to move out. But I am trying to save up to move out of this area and move to a different state that’s cheaper. I don’t think I mentioned it to you, but I am going to school online and also working for a family member’s business a couple days at a time when he needs an extra hand and he pays me $100 a day, I also do DoorDash in addition to that, so its not like I’m sitting in my parents basement doing absolutely nothing day after day. Do you think that women would be less likely to care about my living situation if they know that I’m both working and going to school? Yes I am focusing on weight loss and getting in shape and I will continue to do that, I will also try again to quit porn once and for all. Thanks again for what you said!
It sounds like you are on a path to self improvement and that's fantastic.

As to your question about whether the women will care it comes down to the individual. Some might care, others might not. If a girl likes you for you and your constantly striving for more she likely won't mind at all. Those are the ride or die girls you'd want for a relationship anyways, a girl that likes you for who you are and not what you have or what you look like.

Just focus on yourself above all else and when you do you'll notice you are attracting people in general. This is all a battle of mindsets and you've truly got remind yourself that you are capable of change. You must value yourself as you are now and accept where you are. Then make the necessary changes. Also, 30 is not old man. There are guys on this board who were unsuccessful sexually and with relationships and they turned it around.

I highly HIGHLY recommend journaling and letting your thoughts out onto paper. it will clear your head and once you make it a habbit you'll start to manifest changes in your life. Don't let women be your focus, they should be a fun addition to the life you are building. Still, dip your toes in the water when you feel comfortable, just don't wait forever.

If you'd like some books recommendations I have many, definitely read all of Book Of Pook if you haven't already.
I'm glad you took something away from that post.
 

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When I was up in NYC recently I noticed that the majority of profile pictures looked like they were taken by professionals. They were fashionably dressed and according to their bio, had interesting jobs. I think it’s fair enough that a woman would expect the same from a man.

However, I get back to my city 1000 miles away and most of the women look janky AF, yet have the audacity to list all sorts of requirements in their bio. I could see putting in effort to improve my profile if the selection was good, but in my town, it doesn’t seem worth it.

In the past few months I have had the most matches on Hinge. Nothing on Tinder, and Bumble seemed to be holding my supposed 20 or so matches for a subscription ransom. I used the same pictures on each.

Is it better to just get a subscription? I mean it doesn’t really cost that much. How much does a pro photographer usually charge?

Not saying OLD is useless, but it requires about as much effort as cold approach imo and at least cold approach gets me out of my apartment.

I heard there is some top-tier OLD apps Raya and The League for celebrities and rich dudes. Anyone here try signing up for those
The sexual market is no different from the economic market. Those who will pay the least (low quality girls), demand the most. Explaining why your hometown girls have a grocery list of prerequisites. In NYC, was your match rate higher or lower than normal?

I do professional photography as a side hustle, and i'd charge a couple hundos for an afternoon of taking photos, plus development.

I understand your draw to OLD. However, I get laid plenty walking around a city with my camera. Cold approaching is quite easy (big cities and parks being the best spots.) Plus it's fun to explore and take risks.
 
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Unfortunately from where I sit there no longer are marrying age women that want to build with a young unproven man. They all want it all and they want it now and they want it for free, all they want to do is show up.

I’d hate being in my 20’s trying to wife up right now, if I had the knowledge I now posses then possibly.
 

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Unfortunately from where I sit there no longer are marrying age women that want to build with a young unproven man. They all want it all and they want it now and they want it for free, all they want to do is show up.

I’d hate being in my 20’s trying to wife up right now, if I had the knowledge I now posses then possibly.
It's OVER for 20SomethingCels.
 

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Only way I get laid is from online dating apps. Am I the Chad?
Same, last year on Hinge between Mar-Aug, I had 7 lays and somewhere around 10-12 new dates (+1 from bang from IG). A mix of 6-8s.

Having a good profile can make you stand out a lot, nowadays I'm consistently getting 5-10 likes sent to me per day from just Hinge.

Guys simply don't know how to market themselves, or they have really bad and boring photos (no women in history will has been turned on by a guy holding up a fish).
 
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