Cold approach is becoming impossible

[Gamisch]

Is something like that even enjoyable though? The sheer amount of volume those women would be seeing regularly I could just see it being robotic and almost like ****ing a sex doll.

You are absolutely right about the category of women that do this. Sometimes the reasons might be a mixture of all three. .

It is robotic sex. Some men try to get more passionate encounters and will visit the same prostitutes regularly, and build some kinda trust like that. Tip her ect. But just visiting and knocking on a random window in Amsterdam is a gamble . She just want your money and might wants to finish it quick . No passion in that really.

Every man is different, but eventually I feel like its detrimental to your self esteem .Its like knowing what a stripclub is vs being there weekly.

 

[SW15]

I disagree as to White penalties. As a White, cis, hetero man, even in SF, I Have experianced White Privlidge. Not only do women prefer White men to date, but Even daily encounters, just going about daily business. So much of this anti-White man stuff is just empty virtue signaling.

I was denied admission to a college program solely based on being White. Minorities with lower GPAs got this admission and I did not. That's racism and horse shiit. If that isn't a White penalty, I don't know what is.

Additionally, there have been times where I interviewed for jobs and found out who was hired by searching LinkedIn after the fact. Almost every time it was a woman hired me when I didn't get hired and many times it was a minority woman with lesser qualifications than I had at the moment of that interview. If that isn't a White penalty, I don't know what is.

I'm sick of being treated like a 2nd class citizen for being a White male.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I was denied admission to a college program solely based on being White. Minorities with lower GPAs got this admission and I did not. That's racism and horse shiit. If that isn't a White penalty, I don't know what is.

I agree there is some instirutional anti-White racism. I was focusing on dating and general interpersonal experiances.

 

[Don of the north]

I was denied admission to a college program solely based on being White. Minorities with lower GPAs got this admission and I did not. That's racism and horse shiit. If that isn't a White penalty, I don't know what is.

Additionally, there have been times where I interviewed for jobs and found out who was hired by searching LinkedIn after the fact. Almost every time it was a woman hired me when I didn't get hired and many times it was a minority woman with lesser qualifications than I had at the moment of that interview. If that isn't a White penalty, I don't know what is.

I'm sick of being treated like a 2nd class citizen for being a White male. I have NEVER experienced White privilege.

White male privilege is the biggest myth I've ever heard. It's like when they say there's a patriarchy. There's no patriarchy, but there is definitely a matriarchy. They've done tests in computer science jobs where they sent the same exact resume; one with a woman and one with a man and the woman got WAY more responses. It was laughable. It was like 30 to 1.

It's the worst time in history to be a male regardless of race. In dating in 2022, women absolutely have a massive advantage over most men as well. It's a rigged system. Tinder doesn't even give you a chance as a man. They bury you and don't show your picture to hot or even above average chicks if you're not a top percent man. They don't even give you a chance. Why any man who doesn't have male model good looks would waste his time on swipe apps is beyond me. BEFORE swipe apps became mainstream and you could email who you wanted to I had some successes on online dating by a lot of copy and paste messages. It's all a numbers game for most guys. Men should really boycott tinder, bumble, hinge, okcupid,ect. The only one that lets you email who you want any more is match. All the rest is swipe from what I know. Okcupid used to let you email who you want, but not anymore. This is a MUST on online dating.

 

[SW15]

I agree there is some instirutional anti-White racism. I was focusing on dating and general interpersonal experiances.

In terms of dating and general interpersonal experiences, it's unclear whether I've received any privilege.

I'm a White male that mainly interacts with White women. I am mainly physically attracted to White and Hispanic women.

White men compete for White women with Black men and to a lesser degree Hispanic men. I think that White women throw more shiit tests at White men because they automatically assume White men are more beta. I don't think that's White privilege, but it is true that more White men are betas.

Men should really boycott tinder, bumble, hinge, okcupid,ect. The only one that lets you email who you want any more is match.

There was a point in the past where I decided that I would no longer use swipe apps to arrange dates. Life is better without swipe app dating. I also do not use the DMs on Instagram to date either.

I do all real life approaching.

White male privilege is the biggest myth I've ever heard. It's like when they say there's a patriarchy. There's no patriarchy, but there is definitely a matriarchy. They've done tests in computer science jobs where they sent the same exact resume; one with a woman and one with a man and the woman got WAY more responses. It was laughable. It was like 30 to 1.

I believe it.

It's the worst time in history to be a male regardless of race. In dating in 2022, women absolutely have a massive advantage over most men as well. It's a rigged system. Tinder doesn't even give you a chance as a man. They bury you and don't show your picture to hot or even above average chicks if you're not a top percent man.

All true. Even though approaching strangers in real life stinks, it's the better choice as compared to the swipe apps or the DMs on Instagram.

 

[corrector]

no one can predict how any individual cop will react but I have never heard of anyone getting punched or tased for exercising his right to remain silent.

This is not communist china (yet). Denials are ok "she is lying, I never touched her" but if you say more than that and you don't know what you are doing you can get yourself in more trouble.

Really?

I'm going to leave it at that. The point is any cop situation is a potential risk. You don't know if there is a mean cop who just got served divorce papers by his wife that morning before he showed up to work and wants to ruin someone else's day.

 

[corrector]

What about facebook or traditional online dating websites? @BackInTheGame78 uses the traditional online website to meet women.
The statement that swipe apps have replaced traditional online dating is not true, unless the websites do not exist.

 

[KingTurbo]

You can’t get arrested for saying “hi let’s grab a drink” to a woman.

What law did I break?

What cop is going to want to process the paperwork and report for that?

Now you have to get processed at the station andyou know the clerk is laughing because it’s so ridiculous.

Waste of taxpayer money and resources.


If guys are being arrested for just attempting to court a woman in a respectful way rather than catching actual criminals then I’m sorry our society has already fallen.

 

[corrector]

You can’t get arrested for saying “hi let’s grab a drink” to a woman.

What law did I break?

What cop is going to want to process the paperwork and report for that?

Now you have to get processed at the station andyou know the clerk is laughing because it’s so ridiculous.

Waste of taxpayer money and resources.


If guys are being arrested for just attempting to court a woman in a respectful way rather than catching actual criminals then I’m sorry our society has already fallen.

You did not get the memo. It has fallen a while ago.

 

[bat soup]

Hello everyone.

Has anyone else had the cops called on them on multiple occasions just for saying Hi and giving a basic compliment and leaving immediately and respectfully if they say they are not interested or ignore me? The approaches are done in heavily trafficked areas. For those worrying about being arrested, that's not going to happen. We actually still have a constitutional right to free speech. Harassment is repeated unwanted advances, not asking one time. But having the cops repeatedly called is untenable. And forget about it in malls/private stores since they can kick you out if someone complains.

Just google cold approach and reddit and see how the crazy feminists are acting. It's now considered creepy just to approach. And if you're unattractive it's 100 times worse. The thing that really frustrates me is that most men won't stick up for you when called "creepy" or "predatory." They always blame you for being "creepy". Even in the pickup community I've seen them blame the guy. With the modern woman, if you're ugly = creepy while Good looking= =Not creepy while doing the exact same thing. We all know this. Just because a women PERCIEVES you as creepy doesn't mean it's true. Facts before feelings.

I know many on here will blame the guy for his "vibe" or whatever if the police are called. But facts before feelings. The police shouldn't be called if nothing illegal was done. If she doesn't like your vibe, she should just say no thanks. This is common sense.

Imagine if an unattractive women came up to you and said you look handsome and do you want to get coffee? Any decent man would just say no thanks, but I'm flattered! I would rather a woman call me the ugliest guy she's ever seen then call the police on me.

This is out of control. I thought women were supposed to be strong, independent, and powerful and equal? Why can't they handle a man saying hello without putting the cops on them? Really disgusting behavior. Are women high priestesses or celebrities that can't be approached? What the hell is this crap?

I wish I could take a time machine back to 1950! Horrible female supremacy we are living under. I've had many women thank me and told me that I made their day so it's not all of them, but it's very frequent that they get creeped out. Maybe 2/10 get creeped out. Even by as simple hello! Rejection is fine but calling the cops for saying hello and asking for a date is despicable. Shame on them. Cold approach is my best bet for my situation.

It never used to be like this when I did cold approaching years back. There is clearly a social stigma about this nowadays.

Is it better in places like Poland? I know the UK/Australia is probably worse from what I've heard. How are you supposed to cold approach when you have to worry about them calling the cops? I've had jobs in sales requiring rapport building. I know how to talk to people, and I'm totally relaxed because I've done so many approaches. I was a nervous wreck when I first started many years ago, but I'm good now. Plenty of good interactions including groups where their smiling and laughing.

Sorry for the long post. Very frustrated by this lack of freedom. I feel like a second class citizen as a man.

I remember some guy getting arrested in the UK for approaching women in the street. But I think he used to hang around in an alleyway somewhere and scare women.

It's probably OK as long as you're not wearing a scary clown mask and don't have your junk out.

 

[Don of the north]

I remember some guy getting arrested in the UK for approaching women in the street. But I think he used to hang around in an alleyway somewhere and scare women.

It's probably OK as long as you're not wearing a scary clown mask and don't have your junk out.

I actually found out about him when googling about this. They arrested him twice and then let him go with no charges eventually.
That was 1stpersonapproacher or something like that in England. He also received all kinds of threats from the white knights. There was also a dating coach in Scotland who was arrested. They sentenced him to two years for harassment, but then on appeal it got thrown out. Absolutely disgusting draconian stuff.

I've seen some of 1stpersonapproach guy infields. Everyone of course blamed him. He was a student of james tusk. James tusk then made a "cover his ass" video blaming him! The one thing he NEVER should have done was film women without their consent and upload it onto youtube and he also added stupid text into the videos about him being the lion and them as the prey as a tonge in cheek joke. Another mistake, but nothing criminal. He was going around with a gopro on his chest on a bicycle and stopping and talking to women.

James tusk says that as long as you do cold approach in a socially calibrated way the cops won't be called. Not true in many places depending on the looks level of the guy doing it in 2022. Sad world we live in. Same guy tells people to ignore the woman when she says she has a boyfriend and keep going. He also says no one will notice you cold approaching at a college campus. That's absurd. Maybe 1 approach, but if you do a lot word will spread like wildfire. He needs to calibrate HIS advice.

Everyone made a big deal about 1stperson guy being on a bike. Who cares? Put a good-looking cyclist on a bike and you'd have no issues. Basically, he just sounded real shy and said to women in broad daylight on public streets "something tells me I should talk to you" Or "you look interesting to talk to" in a monotone nervous voice and got blown out immediately by everyone and left right away. How is this harassment? Facts before feelings. Bad game due to lack of confidence does not equal harassment.

They also made a big deal about him approaching a minor. Everyone who is mass approaching women who appear under 30 will eventually accidentally approach someone under 18. It's not a big deal. You just say never mind you're too young and keep it moving. I saw the women he was approaching in that one video and they all looked of age. He wasn't hanging outside elementary schools. Some people wear gopro cams when they go riding so again not something I'd recommend, but nothing criminal. In retrospect him having that gopro might have saved his ass from false allegations!

The pickup community of course slammed him and called him creepy ect. Lets keep it real, he's probably not good looking and he lacks confidence. Just his looks alone will "creep out" some women. Just because a woman feels a certain way doesn't mean anything. Facts are what matter. Most good looking guys don't need to hire dating coaches. lol All the ladies should have done was say "no thanks". He allegedly was making "misogynistic" posts on forums, but he denies all that I never saw that and that's NOT what he was arrested for.

Both guys arrested posted their infields on youtube. Never do that! It draws attention.
No guys got jail time because they never broke the law. It's not illegal to say hello to a woman yet. But this stuff can be risky.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Hello everyone.
Has anyone else had the cops called on them on multiple occasions just for saying Hi and giving a basic compliment and leaving immediately and respectfully if they say they are not interested or ignore me?

No.

The approaches are done in heavily trafficked areas. For those worrying about being arrested, that's not going to happen. We actually still have a constitutional right to free speech. Harassment is repeated unwanted advances, not asking one time. But having the cops repeatedly called is untenable. And forget about it in malls/private stores since they can kick you out if someone complains.

Just google cold approach and reddit and see how the crazy feminists are acting. It's now considered creepy just to approach. And if you're unattractive it's 100 times worse. The thing that really frustrates me is that most men won't stick up for you when called "creepy" or "predatory." They always blame you for being "creepy". Even in the pickup community I've seen them blame the guy. With the modern woman, if you're ugly = creepy while Good looking= =Not creepy while doing the exact same thing. We all know this. Just because a women PERCIEVES you as creepy doesn't mean it's true. Facts before feelings.

I know many on here will blame the guy for his "vibe" or whatever if the police are called. But facts before feelings. The police shouldn't be called if nothing illegal was done. If she doesn't like your vibe, she should just say no thanks. This is common sense.

Imagine if an unattractive women came up to you and said you look handsome and do you want to get coffee? Any decent man would just say no thanks, but I'm flattered! I would rather a woman call me the ugliest guy she's ever seen then call the police on me.

This is out of control. I thought women were supposed to be strong, independent, and powerful and equal? Why can't they handle a man saying hello without putting the cops on them? Really disgusting behavior. Are women high priestesses or celebrities that can't be approached? What the hell is this crap?

I wish I could take a time machine back to 1950! Horrible female supremacy we are living under. I've had many women thank me and told me that I made their day so it's not all of them, but it's very frequent that they get creeped out. Maybe 2/10 get creeped out. Even by as simple hello! Rejection is fine but calling the cops for saying hello and asking for a date is despicable. Shame on them. Cold approach is my best bet for my situation.

It never used to be like this when I did cold approaching years back. There is clearly a social stigma about this nowadays.

Is it better in places like Poland? I know the UK/Australia is probably worse from what I've heard. How are you supposed to cold approach when you have to worry about them calling the cops? I've had jobs in sales requiring rapport building. I know how to talk to people, and I'm totally relaxed because I've done so many approaches. I was a nervous wreck when I first started many years ago, but I'm good now. Plenty of good interactions including groups where their smiling and laughing.

Sorry for the long post. Very frustrated by this lack of freedom. I feel like a second class citizen as a man.

Ive approached over a hundred women, and only had ONE experience involving a woman who complained to authorities about me.

1/100+

 

[Don of the north]

Ive approached over a hundred women, and only had ONE experience involving a woman who complained to authorities about me.

1/100+

If you do a few approaches every day, then do the math. You'd hit your number in 1 month easily and that would be the cops called once a month on you! Also, Maybe you're better looking than me or in a bigger city.

Also, you might NOT realize that cops were called on you other times. Trust me. Cops aren't going to race to the scene for this stuff. It's possible You managed to get out of there before the authorities arrived. Another reason not to linger too long in one spot.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

If you do a few approaches every day, then do the math. You'd hit your number in 1 month easily and that would be the cops called once a month on you!

But here is the thing, though..

My success percentage of getting a woman's number was 35%, with a targeted goal of at least 30%.

And my success percentage of having sexual, physical contact with the same women from above was 33%, with also a targeted goal of at least 30%.

So I said that to say this; as long as I met my targeted goal (of at least 30%), I could care LESS about any specific woman that rejected me and called the cops.

Also, Maybe you're better looking than me or in a bigger city.

Or, maybe your game could use some leveling up.

PM me and lets talk game.

Also, you might NOT realize that cops were called on you other times. Trust me. Cops aren't going to race to the scene for this stuff. It's possible You managed to get out of there before the authorities arrived. Another reason not to linger too long in one spot.

That is indeed possible..but I am STILL at a 34% success rate.

Cops or no cops

 

[characternote]

If you're in a country where it's weird too approach strangers (Such as in England and outside or perhaps tourist areas of London or possibly up North) then I guess it could happen

I did actually read about some guy a few years back who approached a girl who was ignoring him (not interested) and it 'sounds' like at one point he tried the 'hand of god' (from RSD lol) and she called the police and he got a caution or something.

End of the day, even in the UK it shouldn't be likely at all though. What IS likely is that you will be ignored basically (unless you are very much her type and she is also an unusually sociable person. 'Game' or no game. Accept it)

 

[SW15]

James tusk says that as long as you do cold approach in a socially calibrated way the cops won't be called. Not true in many places depending on the looks level of the guy doing it in 2022.

As a guy that is at least in the 6-7 range, I'm likely good enough looking to avoid getting a cop call during my approaches.

I live in the USA and not in one of the most progressive metro areas. My city has a generally leftist/progressive bent, but the suburbs of my city tend to be more ideologically conservative. In most US metros, the areas closest to downtown have more childless singles (good for approaching), but tend to have more progressive ideologies.

They also made a big deal about him approaching a minor. Everyone who is mass approaching women who appear under 30 will eventually accidentally approach someone under 18. It's not a big deal. You just say never mind you're too young and keep it moving.

It's totally possible to approach someone under 18. I haven't done it. The mall is where I've come closest to approaching someone under 18. In certain mall approach sessions pre-pandemic, I saw some attractive females and their ages looked questionable, so I didn't approach.

In terms of indoor venues, the mall would be the most likely venue for approaching someone who looks sexually mature, but is still under 18. I could see the case for it happening in a book store, but I think book stores were a bigger risk for that 20-30 years ago. 15-17 year olds aren't in Barnes & Noble or other book stores much anymore. I've never even thought about that when doing book store approaches. Grocery stores are typically women 18+, living on their own.

It would be possible to approach an under 18 woman outdoors, but I haven't had that happen.

Generally, the way to avoid the potential of approaching women under 18 is to do approaches in areas where either college age women tend to congregate or post college 22-35 year old childless singles congregate. It's possible to do this with selecting a grocery store in an area that meets the criteria in previous sentence and also do that in outdoor venues. Malls are the venue where it's most difficult to do this. The idea is to avoid doing approaches in the suburbs where more families tend to congregate because families tend to have teenage daughters who haven't turned 18 yet.

 

[RickTheToad]

The interesting thing about your post is that the western world does indeed changes his view to " cold approach ". In Amsterdam (city of sin ) ,you are basically NOT ALLOWED to approach women. https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2016/...-ban-hissing-rude-gestures-and-wolf-whistles/

Many women that were raped or harassed
probably got cold approached first.

May I ask, how did this specific interaction went down?yiu but into a argument with a woman, or was it more like you dont even know who calle the cops on you and why?

@RickTheToad iirc is a cop. What do you think about this?

Physician's Assistant, so not even close dude. However, online, I am just a toad. ribbit.

 

[Murk]

I cold approached a 19 year old on Friday night 2 weeks ago, I don't think cold approach has changed much at all if you know what you're doing. She was outside the cab station, I struck up a convo, tried to get her to come to a bar but she was going home waiting for a cab that kept cancelling. I ordered her an uber home and took her number. That's kind of simpy looking back but really the money was nothing and she was cute.

However she will take days to reply, doesn't seem to have much data (1 tick all day) doesn't have a pic on WhatsApp (likely hasn't saved my number) I think she has a boyfriend.

I am arranging to meet her this Saturday, I think how 19 she's acting is fun and novel, imagine not being able to afford phone data.

 

[Plinco]

But here is the thing, though..

My success percentage of getting a woman's number was 35%, with a targeted goal of at least 30%.

And my success percentage of having sexual, physical contact with the same women from above was 33%, with also a targeted goal of at least 30%.

So I said that to say this; as long as I met my targeted goal (of at least 30%), I could care LESS about any specific woman that rejected me and called the cops.

Or, maybe your game could use some leveling up.

PM me and lets talk game.

That is indeed possible..but I am STILL at a 34% success rate.

Good job! Maybe you can teach me a thing or two. My success rate lately has be 0/10

 

[corrector]

What is wrong with approaching a minor? It is not illegal to talk to a minor. Age of consent in Canada is 16 years old BTW, and if its non sexual there is no lower limit.