Do you think MGTOW primarily attracts low value males?

[member160971]

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A man has to learn to accept women for what they are. The best woman will never be equal to the best man. Stop taking them so seriously. Stop committing to them. Enjoy them for what they are. Realize a woman will likely never be your soulmate/bestfriend.

Out of the 73 women I've been with, I would only consider 2 as marriage material. Only 4 were LTR/live in girlfriend material. All of the rest were just a good time.

I finally reached a point with dating that I put the "good times" label on every new girl I met. It was up to them to convince me they were worthy of something more. I never lowered my standards, but I did lower my expectations. I no longer expected every girl I met to be "long term" potential. I put the short term label on everyone of them, because thats what the numbers showed me.

If she showed more potential then I would adjust my views. I stopped looking for my soulmate/bestfriend/next wife, etc. That's all Disney crap.

MGTOW is for those who are too rigid and can't adjust to the world we live in today. I'd guess a lot of those guys gave up when their reality was challenged. On the path of truly understanding women, there will be a point a guy becomes very frustrated. Its when your outdated viewpoint becomes shattered. You are forced to accept something that conflicts with years of programing. You have a choice to accept new thinking and adjust or check out.

Do you want to win, or go sit in the corner and pout because you don't like the new rules?

We used to have social constructs to keep women in check. We decided to remove those in the name of equality. Now we let them run loose in the streets, act like wh0res, get high on social media, and wonder why we have problems finding good women that make solid long term partners.

I think you really highlighted the problem for me, that I expect to find a woman that has the same positive character traits men have, and get upset each time that fails. I need to learn to accept them for what they are like you said and not take things seriously

 

[bat soup]

Serious question I’d like to get some thoughts on. I personally followed MGTOW extensively before the Reddit was banned and agreed with a lot of its content. Personally I was an athlete in high school and never had much trouble getting girls, and I still stay in shape and don’t have many issues now either. I have a decent career and wouldn’t consider myself a LVM (not meaning to brag at all, just saying I’m not a basement dweller or anything who barely gets laid). I began looking at MGTOW content because I observed patterns with women I found problematic, found a major lack of integrity in my relationships, and started getting more and more repulsed by the ugliest most self absorbed parts of them coming out in social media. But lately I’ve been thinking that perhaps I was making too big of generalizations and just wasn’t surrounding myself with the right women. I thought perhaps “going your own way” might’ve been a coping mechanism for certain guys who are just kind of lame ducks who just have to find some justification for it, or who are just still burned out over one failed marriage.

I thought maybe just because my experiences with women haven’t been too positive, doesn’t mean that’s the norm for everyone.

Just wanted to get some honest thoughts on this, because I always try to challenge my views.

If you look at the men that are Mgtow, generally they're not low value but one thing that most of them are is.... old.

As a man ages, women his age become less and less attractive whilst younger women become harder to get.

It's not surprising that a lot of men decide that it's not worth the bother anymore.

 

[SW15]

I would like to say yes. Guys who get vagina aren't usually MGTOWs. The problem is that the ranks of sexless males have grown so much that either every sexless man is low value or only the worst of the worst of sexless men are low value.

 

[zekko]

I would like to say yes. Guys who get vagina aren't usually MGTOWs. The problem is that the ranks of sexless males have grown so much that either every sexless man is low value or only the worst of the worst of sexless men are low value.

I think I saw that the number of males who hadn't had sex in the last year had grown to around 30%, for men under 30, while the number for women has remained stable. I'm sure there are a number of reasons for that, but I would guess most of that number falls on the lower value side. Some guys have likely just left the game, some have probably given up on their dreams of having a family. Maybe the rise of the PUA movement has the top guys hogging most of the women.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I thought those were the Men's Rights Activists (MRAs) more so than the MGTOWs. MRAs are rarely mentioned on this forum.

I thought MGTOW had roots in the black community because black women were the first women to get destroyed by modern feminism & weight gain. Eventually the post divorce raped white guys & White Geomaxer crowd picked up on it. Since these guys were older, I don’t blame them for doing this whatsoever. The issue came when bitter young incels/red pillers tried to do it, but they just went to the black pill lol.

 

[SW15]

I thought MGTOW had roots in the black community because black women were the first women to get destroyed by modern feminism & weight gain. Eventually the post divorce raped white guys & White Geomaxer crowd picked up on it. Since these guys were older, I don’t blame them for doing this whatsoever. The issue came when bitter young incels/red pillers tried to do it, but they just went to the black pill lol.

I associate both MRAs and MGTOWs with White guys. MRAs are the middle aged, whiny divorced White guys who were once dutiful beta males. White, MGTOW guys tend to be the castoffs of White women. White women's vaginas are the most in demand, so White men that can't get White women due to White women's excessive demands often either try to pillage a Hispanic or East Asian woman (either in the USA or abroad) or become MGTOW monks.

Black women have low SMV because of weight gain and single motherhood.