Do you think MGTOW primarily attracts low value males?

[member160971]

Serious question I’d like to get some thoughts on. I personally followed MGTOW extensively before the Reddit was banned and agreed with a lot of its content. Personally I was an athlete in high school and never had much trouble getting girls, and I still stay in shape and don’t have many issues now either. I have a decent career and wouldn’t consider myself a LVM (not meaning to brag at all, just saying I’m not a basement dweller or anything who barely gets laid). I began looking at MGTOW content because I observed patterns with women I found problematic, found a major lack of integrity in my relationships, and started getting more and more repulsed by the ugliest most self absorbed parts of them coming out in social media. But lately I’ve been thinking that perhaps I was making too big of generalizations and just wasn’t surrounding myself with the right women. I thought perhaps “going your own way” might’ve been a coping mechanism for certain guys who are just kind of lame ducks who just have to find some justification for it, or who are just still burned out over one failed marriage.

I thought maybe just because my experiences with women haven’t been too positive, doesn’t mean that’s the norm for everyone.

Just wanted to get some honest thoughts on this, because I always try to challenge my views.

 

[The Duke]

A man has to learn to accept women for what they are. The best woman will never be equal to the best man. Stop taking them so seriously. Stop committing to them. Enjoy them for what they are. Realize a woman will likely never be your soulmate/bestfriend.

Out of the 73 women I've been with, I would only consider 2 as marriage material. Only 4 were LTR/live in girlfriend material. All of the rest were just a good time.

I finally reached a point with dating that I put the "good times" label on every new girl I met. It was up to them to convince me they were worthy of something more. I never lowered my standards, but I did lower my expectations. I no longer expected every girl I met to be "long term" potential. I put the short term label on everyone of them, because thats what the numbers showed me.

If she showed more potential then I would adjust my views. I stopped looking for my soulmate/bestfriend/next wife, etc. That's all Disney crap.

MGTOW is for those who are too rigid and can't adjust to the world we live in today. I'd guess a lot of those guys gave up when their reality was challenged. On the path of truly understanding women, there will be a point a guy becomes very frustrated. Its when your outdated viewpoint becomes shattered. You are forced to accept something that conflicts with years of programing. You have a choice to accept new thinking and adjust or check out.

Do you want to win, or go sit in the corner and pout because you don't like the new rules?

We used to have social constructs to keep women in check. We decided to remove those in the name of equality. Now we let them run loose in the streets, act like wh0res, get high on social media, and wonder why we have problems finding good women that make solid long term partners.

 

[Barrister]

To answer the initial question, yes, I think men who have no or little success with women typically become MGTOW (and eventually sometimes black pill), and typically low-value men are typically the ones having little success.

I agree with @Howiestern that the issue with men who subscribe to MGTOW is one of expectation. Expecting a woman to complete your life, make you feel good/happy, etc. is not the way to approach women. But that typically is how a man gets started on MGTOW - he is severely disappointed in a woman's nature and is holding a woman to the same standard he would another man. But women don't function with the same rule book as men do when it comes to relationships (or anything for that matter), and this is why you can't do that.

Women can bring excitement and enjoyment into your life through sex and companionship, but you have to realize that this is where the additions stop. If you go in expecting some deeper meaning to come from having an LTR/marriage (soulmate, etc.), you are going to come out burned whether the relationship ends or you stay and enter a malaise. For men who claim they are with their soulmate (can't say I have ever heard a man who is well-grounded actually say this), I call bull.

 

[member160971]

A man has to learn to accept women for what they are. The best woman will never be equal to the best man. Stop taking them so seriously. Stop committing to them. Enjoy them for what they are. Realize a woman will likely never be your soulmate/bestfriend.

Out of the 73 women I've been with, I would only consider 2 as marriage material. Only 4 were LTR/live in girlfriend material. All of the rest were just a good time.

I finally reached a point with dating that I put the "good times" label on every new girl I met. It was up to them to convince me they were worthy of something more. I never lowered my standards, but I did lower my expectations. I no longer expected every girl I met to be "long term" potential. I put the short term label on everyone of them, because thats what the numbers showed me.

If she showed more potential then I would adjust my views. I stopped looking for my soulmate/bestfriend/next wife, etc. That's all Disney crap.

MGTOW is for those who are too rigid and can't adjust to the world we live in today. I'd guess a lot of those guys gave up when their reality was challenged. On the path of truly understanding women, there will be a point a guy becomes very frustrated. Its when your outdated viewpoint becomes shattered. You are forced to accept something that conflicts with years of programing. You have a choice to accept new thinking and adjust or check out.

Do you want to win, or go sit in the corner and pout because you don't like the new rules?

We used to have social constructs to keep women in check. We decided to remove those in the name of equality. Now we let them run loose in the streets, act like wh0res, get high on social media, and wonder why we have problems finding good women that make solid long term partners.

Great insight. You make good points about men having trouble accepting modern society. I think that what makes a lot of MGTOW followers seem so bitter and jaded.

Agree about needing to give up the Disneyland fantasy as well

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Yes

 

[Modern Man Advice]

Furthermore, not because of your (or anyone's) experience with women being not too positive it means you need to ignore women and become a monk. You can say that with life in general. You see, life does not revolve around us. Society cannot and should not cater to our every emotion, need, desire, goal, and opinion. We have to adjust, re-caliber and improve. That we can control.

While I couldn't care less for MGTOW or red pill or black pill or blue pill or you-name-it new trend, intergender/romantic/platonic relationships are an experience and a life lesson. That is it.

I, personally, think it is a mistake to become bitter and start generalizing everything in life. And while I agree men should have a purpose (and learn to have self-discipline and self-control so they are not easily distracted), pursue it, and live it, I think the people around you are important. Women are a big part of that, for better or worse.

My two cents.



Modern Man Advice

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I know one MGTOW. he was divorce-r@ped. I wouldn’t call him ‘low-value’. Avg guy. could do OK, but he’s over women.

 

[jaymbrs]

I've always been good at attracting women and I wouldn't say I've completely gone MGTOW but I have not been trying to meet or hit it off with women for about 8 months now. I did however just get out of a toxic relationship of 3 years back in April of this year so that had something to do with it. Sometimes you just need a ****ing break from women. I've been able to regain major focus on myself, including health and appearance, and also my career.

 

[Zimbabwe]

A guy banging tons of slvts isn't going to become MGTOW

 

[Slowhandluke]

Mgtow in my opinion attracts mostly average to low value men. High value men are too busy dating multiple women and have either accepted that women aren't the be all end all... or are so attractive, these men don't realize they have won the genetic lottery (unless something unfortunate happens like a divorce which will then start them on the mgtow path)

 

[Solomon]

A guy banging tons of slvts isn't going to become MGTOW

Tread Over

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Serious question I’d like to get some thoughts on. I personally followed MGTOW extensively before the Reddit was banned and agreed with a lot of its content. Personally I was an athlete in high school and never had much trouble getting girls, and I still stay in shape and don’t have many issues now either. I have a decent career and wouldn’t consider myself a LVM (not meaning to brag at all, just saying I’m not a basement dweller or anything who barely gets laid). I began looking at MGTOW content because I observed patterns with women I found problematic, found a major lack of integrity in my relationships, and started getting more and more repulsed by the ugliest most self absorbed parts of them coming out in social media. But lately I’ve been thinking that perhaps I was making too big of generalizations and just wasn’t surrounding myself with the right women. I thought perhaps “going your own way” might’ve been a coping mechanism for certain guys who are just kind of lame ducks who just have to find some justification for it, or who are just still burned out over one failed marriage.

I thought maybe just because my experiences with women haven’t been too positive, doesn’t mean that’s the norm for everyone.

Just wanted to get some honest thoughts on this, because I always try to challenge my views.

Usually low value men that got divorce raped. Sub 5 or lower.

You see Brady get divorced among other top Gs. The bad guy from some teenie bopper early 2000s show just got divorced. Total Chad. It's just rampid among modern-day women. In aggregate they are pump and dump material. Not play house.

If you are a G and forever bachelor it's a superb time. If you want commitment, ltr or marriage and family, go abroad. The west isn't ideal for family.

I thought geo maxing was lame then the pandemic hit. It's abundantly clear better places exist for sovereignty and individual freedom as well as family.

 

[Macadellic]

A guy banging tons of slvts isn't going to become MGTOW

Once I finish on her face I’m going my own way.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Ya know, I’ve been thinking about making a similar post, you literally nailed it brother. Like balls on accurate.

A man has to learn to accept women for what they are. The best woman will never be equal to the best man. Stop taking them so seriously. Stop committing to them. Enjoy them for what they are. Realize a woman will likely never be your soulmate/bestfriend.

Out of the 73 women I've been with, I would only consider 2 as marriage material. Only 4 were LTR/live in girlfriend material. All of the rest were just a good time.

I finally reached a point with dating that I put the "good times" label on every new girl I met. It was up to them to convince me they were worthy of something more. I never lowered my standards, but I did lower my expectations. I no longer expected every girl I met to be "long term" potential. I put the short term label on everyone of them, because thats what the numbers showed me.

If she showed more potential then I would adjust my views. I stopped looking for my soulmate/bestfriend/next wife, etc. That's all Disney crap.

MGTOW is for those who are too rigid and can't adjust to the world we live in today. I'd guess a lot of those guys gave up when their reality was challenged. On the path of truly understanding women, there will be a point a guy becomes very frustrated. Its when your outdated viewpoint becomes shattered. You are forced to accept something that conflicts with years of programing. You have a choice to accept new thinking and adjust or check out.

Do you want to win, or go sit in the corner and pout because you don't like the new rules?

We used to have social constructs to keep women in check. We decided to remove those in the name of equality. Now we let them run loose in the streets, act like wh0res, get high on social media, and wonder why we have problems finding good women that make solid long term partners.

 

[sangheilios]

Not that black and white.

Much of the MGTOW movement originated from men who were mauled in divorce court. Many men from the boomer generation and younger have been married and later divorced, often times being destroyed by the process financially and emotionally/spiritually.

Since the advent of social media in the mid 2000s and the widespread usage of dating apps about a decade later the dating market is far more competitive and cut throat than it is has ever been in modern history. A substantial number of men struggle immensely in the modern dating market or have been left out of it all together. This has been going on for quite a few years now but it seems as of late it's actually being seen for what it is, I've noticed a significant number of youtube channels have been dedicated towards this topic this year. Many of these men aren't really "MGTOW", but they just aren't really in the market at all, there are tons of stats to back this up. I feel the COVID pandemic and lockdowns really added gas to the fire on this, I've noticed nightlife and social venues aren't quite the same as they were 3 years ago.

Men that are active in the black pill/MGTOW community, a purely internet entity, I feel have some undiagnosed mental health issues, they just seem to focus on women and the dating market when they clearly have other issues going on.


Overall, it's not a great time to be young and single male that is actually looking to play in the game.

 

[MatureDJ]

True Forced Loneliness (TFL) prophet "Roller" Steve Hoca says that MGTOWers are TFLers in denial.

 

[SW15]

Much of the MGTOW movement originated from men who were mauled in divorce court. Many men from the boomer generation and younger have been married and later divorced, often times being destroyed by the process financially and emotionally/spiritually.

I thought those were the Men's Rights Activists (MRAs) more so than the MGTOWs. MRAs are rarely mentioned on this forum.

Since the advent of social media in the mid 2000s and the widespread usage of dating apps about a decade later the dating market is far more competitive and cut throat than it is has ever been in modern history. A substantial number of men struggle immensely in the modern dating market or have been left out of it all together. This has been going on for quite a few years now but it seems as of late it's actually being seen for what it is, I've noticed a significant number of youtube channels have been dedicated towards this topic this year. Many of these men aren't really "MGTOW", but they just aren't really in the market at all, there are tons of stats to back this up. I feel the COVID pandemic and lockdowns really added gas to the fire on this, I've noticed nightlife and social venues aren't quite the same as they were 3 years ago.

Men that are active in the black pill/MGTOW community, a purely internet entity, I feel have some undiagnosed mental health issues, they just seem to focus on women and the dating market when they clearly have other issues going on.

Overall, it's not a great time to be young and single male that is actually looking to play in the game.

All of this is accurate.

 

[sangheilios]

I thought those were the Men's Rights Activists (MRAs) more so than the MGTOWs. MRAs are rarely mentioned on this forum.

I honestly put all of these things under the same umbrella, just various subsets of the common trend. Blackpill would be the most negative of all of these, though everything from that through things like red pill, MGTOW, etc. all have some truth to it.

 

[zekko]

I do think MGTOW attracts mainly low value men. Guys who aren't seeing results are more likely to just jettison the whole thing. Why invest your time into something that isn't paying dividends for you? But it depends to some extent on how you define MGTOW, some define it as just basically red pill. I think there is more of a "walking away" factor to it, as in walking away from women. Some just see it as walking away from commitment.

 

[Atom Smasher]

A man has to learn to accept women for what they are. The best woman will never be equal to the best man. Stop taking them so seriously. Stop committing to them. Enjoy them for what they are. Realize a woman will likely never be your soulmate/bestfriend.

Out of the 73 women I've been with, I would only consider 2 as marriage material. Only 4 were LTR/live in girlfriend material. All of the rest were just a good time.

I finally reached a point with dating that I put the "good times" label on every new girl I met. It was up to them to convince me they were worthy of something more. I never lowered my standards, but I did lower my expectations. I no longer expected every girl I met to be "long term" potential. I put the short term label on everyone of them, because thats what the numbers showed me.

If she showed more potential then I would adjust my views. I stopped looking for my soulmate/bestfriend/next wife, etc. That's all Disney crap.

MGTOW is for those who are too rigid and can't adjust to the world we live in today. I'd guess a lot of those guys gave up when their reality was challenged. On the path of truly understanding women, there will be a point a guy becomes very frustrated. Its when your outdated viewpoint becomes shattered. You are forced to accept something that conflicts with years of programing. You have a choice to accept new thinking and adjust or check out.

Do you want to win, or go sit in the corner and pout because you don't like the new rules?

We used to have social constructs to keep women in check. We decided to remove those in the name of equality. Now we let them run loose in the streets, act like wh0res, get high on social media, and wonder why we have problems finding good women that make solid long term partners.

Pure gold.