Conflict after 3 months

[Bigpapa]

I can analyze objectively without it affecting my actions in any way. I have that super power as an intuitive analytic.

then If you had solid night game experience , you would know that most of the girls in the venue are Not there to meet someone

How many times you saw consistently in a venue 2 strangers hooking up ?

there are solid puas who are night game experts and go out a lot , and their average number of girls is between 20 and 30 per year . This means that their average is less than 1 per week . And these guys are good looking guys with excellent skills

If these guys who go out at least 2-3 nights per week plus doing day and social circle game are not consistent in pulling a girl every time they go out , what are the chances of a guy with no game to do it ?

 

[Bigpapa]

Spot on analysis of how they think

here

 

[member160761]

You misread it. Im saying that women will rationalize their own philandering by assuming you are too. It doesnt matter how unrealistic the situation is, its just an excuse. Women also overrate the ability for men they're attracted to to attract other women....big time. I had two girlfriends that told me they thought I could go to any bar in the city and score a ONS whenever I want. They are projecting their idealization and their own status as women onto me. My success rate is like 1%.

I dunno what's with this bigpapa guy. When you spend enough time with women that is exactly how they think. There is no sense of honor and only projecting of own faults (until it is too late). If you find me one girl, only one girl who is not like that I'll kill, no, even genocide a nation to get one who is not like this.

 

[Bigpapa]

I dunno what's with this bigpapa guy. When you spend enough time with women that is exactly how they think. There is no sense of honor and only projecting of own faults (until it is too late). If you find me one girl, only one girl who is not like that I'll kill, no, even genocide a nation to get one who is not like this.

man , when you slept with only 2 girls you did not experienced how women are . What you say is mainly parroting red pill mambo Jambo

and if you want me to continue , I will also add that as long as you masturbate ( porn movies ,sexy pictures , etc ) your Frame of the righteous guy that is above men because he has principles is just utter bullsh1t . Because those girls are bigger skans than most of the girls that you will meet

 

[Stoic]

Agree with most of the collective wisdom on this thread.

You acted too sensitive. Women are supposed to be sensitive. We are not.

But, its hard to tell without knowing more information if your relationship is in trouble or not. Often times when a woman starts acting differently, its almost never good for the relationship.

 

[member160292]

I am like that with the incels.

I leave incels alone in their own world, seems to keep them happy

 

[Bigpapa]

I like Bigpapa, I just think he is uncomfortable hearing a lot of negativity. A lot of guys here are like that for whatever reason. I am like that with the incels.

the only reason on why I am on this forum is because like 8 years back I went through a sh1tstorm with a girl that out gamed me massively and basically destroyed my self esteem big time . I was lucky enough to find some guys who more or less explained me what went wrong and helped me to get back on the horse

somehow I want to give back , as others did with me

when you see all these guys having no clue about women and just complain , you get tired of it

my reality is way different than most guys reality , but I did not get in this spot out of pure luck. Went through a lot of sh1t

guys these days are just entitled , and think that is their right to get laid without putting the effort in learning and ultimately having results

like in everything , the more experienced you get ( assuming you are not autistic ) the better you become

 

[Bigpapa]

Often times when a woman starts acting differently, its almost never good for the relationship.

It can also be a sh1t test to test your frame . Most likely the OP was over reactive with other stuff in the past . Very unlikely that he went kaboom out of the sudden because she went to a birthday with her friends

 

[member160292]

huge issue on this forum. Was not like that back in the day. I think there's an autism epidemic. Also, the forum has been delisted from google so we don't get as much new blood that isnt fully a mess.

Can you imagine Pook coming back and looking at these threads? LMAO

 

[BeExcellent]

I agree with both @Bigpapa and @LARaiders85 and I think they are both describing the same phenomena.

Yes if a woman thinks you are desirable she will think it’s very easy for you to get laid (one reason among many to only entertain high interest women…downside is if they lack self confidence they are going to act jealous and/or insecure because of the belief you can get laid easily)….

I know players and playboys who are very skilled seducers who strike out plenty. Now. They also have hot streaks where they might score a dozen new lays in a month…but they aren’t being all that selective in those streaks, from what I’ve seen firsthand. And it’s expensive to get out that often & participate in that many interactions.

As far as OP? Agree he blew it with weak frame. What you do in a situation like that (she is out & didn’t invite you beforehand) is you play it completely cool when she calls (remember this chick DID call him that night)…the purpose of her calling is two fold. 1. To let you know she is NOT all tied up with someone else), and 2. To see what OP is doing.

Best play is “Glad you are having fun! I’m out with my buddies doing XYZ. Hit me up later if you want to meet up…”

She called him after she got home too. Great opportunity for him to go crash at hers. You want a woman wondering what you are doing and who you are with when you are not with her. Acting mad that she didn’t invite you tells her you got absolutely nothing else going on, and her desire drops. And suddenly the dude who kept bugging her for her number at the bar while she was wondering about you? He just got a whole lot more interesting.

Men you must understand that you are never seducing in a vacuum. Never.

 

[2Rocky]

As far as OP? Agree he blew it with weak frame. What you do in a situation like that (she is out & didn’t invite you beforehand) is you play it completely cool when she calls (remember this chick DID call him that night)…the purpose of her calling is two fold. 1. To let you know she is NOT all tied up with someone else), and 2. To see what OP is doing.

Best play is “Glad you are having fun! I’m out with my buddies doing XYZ. Hit me up later if you want to meet up…”

She called him after she got home too. Great opportunity for him to go crash at hers. You want a woman wondering what you are doing and who you are with when you are not with her. Acting mad that she didn’t invite you tells her you got absolutely nothing else going on, and her desire drops. And suddenly the dude who kept bugging her for her number at the bar while she was wondering about you? He just got a whole lot more interesting.

Men you must understand that you are never seducing in a vacuum. Never.

I was just about to say the same thing. Especially the bolded parts I'd have probably told her to come to my house and spend the night after and fix her breakfast in the morning. If she turned down that, then I'd worry.

I recall shortly after ML moved in I had a men's group party where women weren't invited. She said to me..."Oh I love it when you go out with the guys, you come back a lil drunk and so horny and **** me good....I'll be waiting honey.."

So maybe next time you don't act like a butthurt prima donna, acknowledge she has her own friends, and give her something to look forward to when she is done there.

 

[Bigpapa]

I agree with both @Bigpapa and @LARaiders85 and I think they are both describing the same phenomena.

Yes if a woman thinks you are desirable she will think it’s very easy for you to get laid (one reason among many to only entertain high interest women…downside is if they lack self confidence they are going to act jealous and/or insecure because of the belief you can get laid easily)….

I know players and playboys who are very skilled seducers who strike out plenty. Now. They also have hot streaks where they might score a dozen new lays in a month…but they aren’t being all that selective in those streaks, from what I’ve seen firsthand. And it’s expensive to get out that often & participate in that many interactions.

As far as OP? Agree he blew it with weak frame. What you do in a situation like that (she is out & didn’t invite you beforehand) is you play it completely cool when she calls (remember this chick DID call him that night)…the purpose of her calling is two fold. 1. To let you know she is NOT all tied up with someone else), and 2. To see what OP is doing.

Best play is “Glad you are having fun! I’m out with my buddies doing XYZ. Hit me up later if you want to meet up…”

She called him after she got home too. Great opportunity for him to go crash at hers. You want a woman wondering what you are doing and who you are with when you are not with her. Acting mad that she didn’t invite you tells her you got absolutely nothing else going on, and her desire drops. And suddenly the dude who kept bugging her for her number at the bar while she was wondering about you? He just got a whole lot more interesting.

Men you must understand that you are never seducing in a vacuum. Never.

most guys here have very weak frame

without strong frame you will never have any worthwhile success with women . Especially with above average women

if you target high echelon ( like I do ) then you will know that the red pill theory will not help you at all

a high echelon woman will be on the radar of so many high value men that you basically have no chance to be the best . Your only weapon is to have strong game , as most guys do not

and women will not choose the most alpha or the richest , they will choose the guy who make them feel . You only have to pass the threshold to get the chance to seduce her ( which most of the time is just not be a looser and have at least a somehow interesting life )

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

most guys here have very weak frame

without strong frame you will never have any worthwhile success with women . Especially with above average women

if you target high echelon ( like I do ) then you will know that the red pill theory will not help you at all

a high echelon woman will be on the radar of so many high value men that you basically have no chance to be the best . Your only weapon is to have strong game , as most guys do not

and women will not choose the most alpha or the richest , they will choose the guy who make them feel . You only have to pass the threshold to get the chance to seduce her ( which most of the time is just not be a looser and have at least a somehow interesting life )

I will admit that my life is not striking interesting right now. Been on top of my economic situation and keeping to my own. Been seriously lacking a social circle. women have been scarce as of lately. I need to get out more.
I been losing friends and finding peace.

 

[Bigpapa]

I will admit that my life is not striking interesting right now. Been on top of my economic situation and keeping to my own. Been seriously lacking a social circle. women have been scarce as of lately. I need to get out more.
I been losing friends and finding peace.

we all bad our bad times , what it is important is to be aware of it and work to pass them if they do not go away on their own ( might be an underlying problem that causes them )

 

[member160292]

I will admit that my life is not striking interesting right now. Been on top of my economic situation and keeping to my own. Been seriously lacking a social circle. women have been scarce as of lately. I need to get out more.
I been losing friends and finding peace.

Hey bud,

I've been in this rut not too long ago, it happens. Sometimes the wind keeps blowing in your face and everything seems to work against you. In your situation, nexting a plate doesn't help much during these times. It might take days, it might take weeks, but eventually it will turn around. Hang in there, be patient and stay positive.

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

Hey bud,

I've been in this rut not too long ago, it happens. Sometimes the wind keeps blowing in your face and everything seems to work against you. In your situation, nexting a plate doesn't help much during these times. It might take days, it might take weeks, but eventually it will turn around. Hang in there, be patient and stay positive.

I appreciate your words of comradery.

I feel though that in these harsh times walking away from a toxic screwless disrespectful plate actually peels and reveals the real you.
What you all about? are you going to fold and slip your self respect under the rug and take her toxicity because you feel lonely or are you going to keep flexing your morals and code even in the darkest of times?
You got to be a stoic solidified strong minded individual at all times who wont tolerate any bullsh!t even it costs you a piece of azz.
like mentioned before I have lost girls in my past to the grave and now I can careless if a woman stays or leaves. Thats my real testament. I know I still gotta stitch some wounds.
If you going through hell keep going.

 

[ubercat]

I will admit that my life is not striking interesting right now. Been on top of my economic situation and keeping to my own. Been seriously lacking a social circle. women have been scarce as of lately. I need to get out more.
I been losing friends and finding peace.

Half the guys in the world are in the same sitch after the covid years. Re-grouping isn't a bad thing as long as you learn from it. Sometimes you can accumulate frenemies if you don't know the signs or are at heart a trusting person. Just be aware that true friends are as rare as high quality ladies. It will take a while to build up again. You need to be patient and kind to yourself. Personally I d concentrate on making male friends first. But I ve never been good with keeping female friends - maybe you are. Busy yourself with work and sports while that happens If you don't mind me asking how are your basic social skills. Are you good at vibing, complimenting, hosting, inviting?

 

[DreamAgain]

I (bf 31) have met this girl (27) 3 months ago. There was a big chemistry since day one and we started dating. She is giving, caring, generous but has a strong personnality. After a couple of weeks of dating, she seemed so enthusiastic about the relationship that she was texting all day long, showing a lot serious interest and care. I felt she wanted me part of her life. She also started to introduce me to her friends. I tried to manage to see her not more than 2 times a week.
Things were going really smooth until recently.

3 weeks ago, she told me about going to this party that is organised by one of her friends at a bar, but she did not invite me.
Eventually, she went there without me and called me from there to see what I'm doing that night. I said I was out with some friends. And I asked why she did not invite me. She said that I am welcome if I wanted to join her. I said no it's too late because she did not want me there in the first place.

At the end of the night, she called me at 2am to say that she got home.

The following days, I did not contact her. And she did not try to reach out neither. Now, we're going into the third week without contact.

What do you think about this situation ? Do I need to contact her to discuss the situation or do I wait for her call knowing that if she's not reaching out, I would just accept that it is over.

OP don't listen to the guys on here, you did the right play. Her interest was getting lowered and this was just an excuse to pull the plug.

Find a new high interest girl and forget about this one.

 

[Atom Smasher]

The OP describes himself as “bf 31”.

Boyfriend 31?

 

[member160761]

man , when you slept with only 2 girls you did not experienced how women are . What you say is mainly parroting red pill mambo Jambo

My friend, first nowhere did I say that I slept with two girls only but said I slept with more than one girl. Second, I am not parroting anything - I speak of what I know. Third, you articulate yourself emotional like a woman and whatever you write and say does not sound credible or trustworthy. You HAVE to hold women accountable on their bull****. Unless you have a fling with a sloot there is nothing to worry where she goes and with whom. But if this is a relationship proper then YOU CANNOT let a girl go for a nightsout, and I don't give a **** what her intentions and layers of gray areas are.