What the blackpill gets wrong. Hypergamy isnt as bad as we think.

[Hamurabimbi]

That is not what prominent so-called blackpillers, like What Waffles are saying. They look at the face structure, the jawline, facial symmetry, how your nose looks (ie is it long and crooked, etc...) etc... they will place more emphasis on how your face looks rather than your height and being in shape. Then at that, you have to be socially competent even if are an 7 or 8 tier guy. If you have some psychological issue where you really can't talk to people then even that can be an issue.

I agree: Face! However, you can be somewhat socially incompetent & still do OK.

 

[MatureDJ]

It stinks to get ghosted after a drinks date not resulting in sex.

You weren't considered attractive enough. It's OVER for GhostedCels.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I've sought advice from numerous channels...people aren't honest and people simply cannot give advice to other people when they lack a frame of reference or enough common ground. Some guy who gets laid all the time bc he's rich or has millions friends, has an unlimited social circle, cannot give advice applicable to me. Some white dude who literally has women do all the work for him, literally cannot give me advice bc he can't even comprehend what it's like to be invisible or unwanted to/by women. Too many people "giving advice" either lack empathy, or they just let women totally off the hook and want to just say it's the dude's fault for being "lAzY" or whatever, not even attempting to understand their perspective or admit to how shallow, and toxic tons of women have become in terms of bloated dating standards and expectations.

Do you bang fatties and lower value women? Contrary to what other posters believe, that it causes scarcity/limiting beliefs, I think it creates abundance mentality. I don't care if I strike out with a good looking woman, if it gets dry enough in the desert, I'll go lower value. There's always women to be had at that point.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Why is it, that whenever people say things like this, I never see 5'6" as the bottom of the range? This tells me that once you're in 5'6" it may actually matter.

5’6”(or so) checking in.

 

[MatureDJ]

Dude, telling someone to "be charismatic" is akin to telling someone to "be attractive". That's too broad and it doesn't really mean anything. Being charismatic is imo, a natural innate thing you either have or you don't. Someone can try to be charming...but having charisma is an entirely different ballgame and I don't see how interacting with women buffers that, unless you're routinely successful.

I beg to differ. A man's height, frame, face, HAIR cannot be changed (although the latter can be helped by HairPlugOrRugMaxxing; OK, maybe the former too, but that would require expensive & painful LegLengthMaxxing that would leave the man looking awkward). A personality can ALWAYS be improved, although it takes a certain amount of intelligence to be able to do so.

 

[Gamisch]

Are you serious? The place is borderline reddit at times with all of its blatant trolling and gaslighting. I've literally never seen anyone here mention what they learned from another user. Not.one.time.



I drop the "race card" the same way people mention they're short or fat...bc it can be an obvious hindrance and absolutely factors into women finding you attractive. People want to pretend that all men have it equal and that dis/advantages don't exist for some reason. This is stupid and only exponentiates who the cookie-cutter, generic advice doesn't really help.

And lol I already know how the thread would go. I'd be called out for being too "lazy". Then I'd have a bunch of white guys racesplain to me about how "derp, race doesn't matter, even though I'm white and I literally wouldn't know bc virtually every ethnicity of woman prefers me", then a couple of anecdotal ethnics would chime in about how they or some random ethnic friend/cousin/brother/neighbor/lawyer/whatever they know slays all the time (that's supposed to somehow diminish all the numerous cases of ones who don't, apparently)

Then of course someone will have an anecdotal ugly, short, fat, poor associate/friend/relative/whatever they know who exclusively ploughs 11/10 Colombian scientist volleyball players, so that will somehow prove...something.

And everyone would just regurgitate the same feeble platitudes..."be confident", put yourself out there", "try harder", "it's a numbers game", "jOiN a SpOrTs leAgUe", "just get rich or good-looking", "stop blaming women"

Did I miss anything?

*Edit*
I didn't "give up"...I look for IOI's and choosing signals, and don't get them. I have approach anxiety and I'm introverted, if they don't seem interested, I literally can't be compelled to approach them.

Nope the men who worked hard to learn game AND improve their lives are reaping the benefits . The man who hits the gym everyday goes to the beach and finds a cute girl who wants to feel crushed by a man. That how life works.

Do you have examples of how race worked against you? Most of my white incel friends say I get p00n because I am black and bald. If they would not have those cursed blue eyes and blonde hair!!

I bet when you see a woman looking at you this voice in your head says.

"I already know what gonna happen. I'll talk to her and then she'll say; get out of my face you ugly black man!! Or she'll pretend to like me but wont give me her number. Or she give her number but won't respond. Or she'll respond but use me for a free meal. Or she'll be my gf but cheat. Or she is loyal but she'll break up".

Did I miss anything?

Oh, and tell me the winning lottery numbers, because you can predict the future it seems. Make the thread and watch what happens...

Edit:https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-be-charismatic

I recently found this thing called "google". Nice tool!

 

[MatureDJ]

Do you bang fatties and lower value women? Contrary to what other posters believe, that it causes scarcity/limiting beliefs, I think it creates abundance mentality. I don't care if I strike out with a good looking woman, if it gets dry enough in the desert, I'll go lower value. There's always women to be had at that point.

Good, when it gets dry enough, you can wife up something like this:

 

[DonJuanjr]

Good, when it gets dry enough, you can wife up something like this:

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If I'm willing to bang a woman of that caliber, why would I forsake all other vagina for just hers? Marrying a smoking hot 10 is understandable when you want to locker her down, but low value women, it's not. To be clear, I wouldn't marry any woman. I don't want my balls in a vice.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Listen to the people here who get the laid? The ones here that just spew empty platitudes and project and don't actually give advice beyond "try harder lol"? The same people who just say "derp, race doesn't matter", "being an introvert doesn't matter", "just be confident" "LoOkS dOn'T mAtTeR", etc, when they're not the ones who have to operate with these barriers. You cannot give the same "advice" to everyone, yet that's literally what people try and do here.

Listen, kid, or whatever you consider yourself to be. I use to have no style, no confidence [other than in academics], and skinny as ****. As soon as I changed all three, I became a chick magnet. It was like watching magic happen. Suddenly women were after me. Some want to make me their bf when before no woman even thought of ****ing me. I am but one example among many. You got a lot to learn.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Do you bang fatties and lower value women? Contrary to what other posters believe, that it causes scarcity/limiting beliefs, I think it creates abundance mentality. I don't care if I strike out with a good looking woman, if it gets dry enough in the desert, I'll go lower value. There's always women to be had at that point.

Nope. I'm not fat or distractingly ugly, and i already have meager standards? so I'm not going to settle for some women I'm not attracted to.

Listen, kid, or whatever you consider yourself to be. I use to have no style, no confidence [other than in academics], and skinny as ****. As soon as I changed all three, I became a chick magnet. It was like watching magic happen. Suddenly women were after me. Some want to make me their bf when before no woman even thought of ****ing me. I am but one example among many. You got a lot to learn.

Good for you, but I have an abundance of style, fashion sense, grooming, I'm not skinny and I'm tall and I'm virtually invisible to women...not a chick manget, not even a chick vacumn cleaner on "low"...so clearly there's another factor at play here you're negating to mention. This is what I mean...people give anecdotal advice and mention things drastically changed for them, yet you note you've already done all that and somehow it's still your fault...

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Outside of some Basic, universal rules and principals. Men’s situations are so different that the carry-over is limited. It is hard to put oneself in the mindset or situation of another.

For example. When my friends & I go out. I know that what works for me won’t work for them (& they know it as well). But. Some of the basic principals may.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Toronto is one of the worst mating environments in North America. I would want no part of that area. While it is possible to succeed in Toronto, it's more difficult than average. To some extent, gripes about mating interactions in Toronto are legitimate.



Social skills are eroding. Millennials were the first generation to show a large scale erosion of social skills. This is likely to continue into Gen Z. There are 35-40 year old Millennials today who have had piss poor social skills for 20+ years.





It is problematic when there are posters who are 6'4" with big muscles who are getting treated like shiit by women. As for 6 pack abs, 6 feet tall +, and six figure income, the lower portion of six figure income does not buy a lifestyle anymore that impresses women in major metro areas. Annual incomes of $100,000-$149,999 are not enough for them. Women 30+ with college degrees taken it for granted that the 30+ man they are on a date with already earns $100,000+. No special treatment until at least $150K in my city and possibly $200K in New York, Chicago, or the California coastal cities.

It shows how important good social skills are and having social awareness and tact.

Without that, nothing else matters.. you'll come off as a weirdo or creep and no woman wants that...they literally run away from it

 

[thelambofdeth]

Nope the men who worked hard to learn game AND improve their lives are reaping the benefits . The man who hits the gym everyday goes to the beach and finds a cute girl who wants to feel crushed by a man. That how life works.

Do you have examples of how race worked against you? Most of my white incel friends say I get p00n because I am black and bald. If they would not have those cursed blue eyes and blonde hair!!

I bet when you see a woman looking at you this voice in your head says.

"I already know what gonna happen. I'll talk to her and then she'll say; get out of my face you ugly black man!! Or she'll pretend to like me but wont give me her number. Or she give her number but won't respond. Or she'll respond but use me for a free meal. Or she'll be my gf but cheat. Or she is loyal but she'll break up".

Did I miss anything?

Oh, and tell me the winning lottery numbers, because you can predict the future it seems. Make the thread and watch what happens...

Edit:https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-be-charismatic

I recently found this thing called "google". Nice tool!

White incels are notorious for deflecting and shirking their privilege bc they're lazy. There are Asian, Indian, Middle-eastern and Latin women that would literally kill for an average white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes. It's the most coveted combination on the planet. Those incels being stupid and whinging doesn't somehow negate that.

Firstly, women don't look at me, second I don't think all women are some cartoon racist stereotypes. But common logic dictates the majority of women won't entertain me bc of my race. Ofc they're not going to call me ugly to me face...they already assume I'd be angry and violent as a response to them rejecting me, so they'd be polite while giving me their fake # lol.

There is literally nothing I'd hear in the thread I didn't already hear via osmosis by jusy posting here and you know it.

Holy chit a random "guide to being charismatic" you found via a Google search. I'm sure the answers to all my lack of charismatic woes is no doubt found in this definitively legitimate and not at all click bait "article"...

 

[corrector]

White incels are notorious for deflecting and shirking their privilege bc they're lazy. There are Asian and Latin women that would literally kill for an average white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes. It's the most coveted combination on the planet. Those incels being stupid and whinging doesn't somehow negate that.

Firstly, women don't look at me, second I don't think all women are some cartoon racist stereotypes. But common logic dictates the majority of women won't entertain me bc of my race. Ofc they're not going to call me ugly to me face...they already assume I'd be angry and violent as a response to them rejecting me, so they'd be polite while giving me their fake # lol.

There is literally nothing I'd hear in the thread I didn't already hear via osmosis by jusy posting here and you know it.

Holy chit a random "guide to being charismatic" you found via a Google search. I'm sure the answers to all my lack of charismatic woes is no doubt found in this definitively legitimate and not at all click bait "arricle"...

Agreed. The white guy with blond hair and blue eyes is called "nordic white", which means other whites, like @MatureDJ, or @zinc4 are not benefitting from that (although @MatureDJ is rejecting women from other races but crying incel).

The basic thought is you need something to work with. An IOI or some initial interest to feel your approach is welcome or that the other party is willing to talk with you. What is your race? I'm mixed but could pass for a non-nordic white or middle-eastern, but even that doesn't cut it as we see that even a hooker rejected @MatureDJ because she thought he was non-white and he had to go back a second time.

You feel you would have an Asian wife or string of Asians/Latinos if you were white? I feel the same way too. I remember in the 90s when you had paper ads that you saw this ad for Asian women who were looking for white guys to date, and the ad specifically said white guys only. You see this across the board and even in customer service.

 

[Gamisch]

White incels are notorious for deflecting and shirking their privilege bc they're lazy. There are Asian, Indian, Middle-eastern and Latin women that would literally kill for an average white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes. It's the most coveted combination on the planet. Those incels being stupid and whinging doesn't somehow negate that.

Firstly, women don't look at me, second I don't think all women are some cartoon racist stereotypes. But common logic dictates the majority of women won't entertain me bc of my race. Ofc they're not going to call me ugly to me face...they already assume I'd be angry and violent as a response to them rejecting me, so they'd be polite while giving me their fake # lol.

There is literally nothing I'd hear in the thread I didn't already hear via osmosis by jusy posting here and you know it.

Holy chit a random "guide to being charismatic" you found via a Google search. I'm sure the answers to all my lack of charismatic woes is no doubt found in this definitively legitimate and not at all click bait "article"...

That's why porn only has blonde people. Nope. Geuss what, different women want different things on different times. Funny you talk about laziness yet you the one to lazy to make a thread about your own issues and seek for solutions.

It's sad you dont allow other men to tel you to MAN TF UP. Women dont need sex as much as we do, so they are not as desperate. The game goes deep and is all about subtleties. You a grown man who doesnt know how to spot ioi. That's like a lion who doesn't know when to attack his prey. Like a lion who waits till his prey is dead but then its already eaten by another predator.

Funny, I ve read more than 20 solutions to your problem in this thread alone. And reading your piece about how women respond? You a troll. A white guy claiming to be black.

That article was indeed the first hit. I can only assume that a deeper search might show a deeper article. But the information is out there.

When was the last time you approached anyway? I'll leave it here. You are trolling and laughing out loud while you have a blonde man bum and changing a diaper, dont you?

Edit: aaah corrector. So 1 example is enough to conclude and predict all other future outcomes now? But the positive ones are not sufficient? I start to get it now.

Again you guys hijacked a thread and made it about race in the process. Nice

 

[SW15]

I personally believe that being charismatic is a trait you either have or you don't, basically an innate part of your personality that defines who you are.

I see gray area. It can be learned to some degree.

Here is the key - most of this stuff you learn out in the field cold-approaching. You don't truly learn it reading it here or reading it in some dating self-help book. You need to get out there and interact with women in social settings. If you do this enough, and assuming you aren't completely socially inept, you will learn how to turn women on both emotionally and physically.

The field is tough. All seducers need to go out in the field and approach. The problem is all the rejections, failed interactions, etc. They can be traumatic and psychologically devastating. The hope is that the person can make it through getting sent to the reject pile repeatedly without sustaining major damage.

jOiN a SpOrTs leAgUe",

Co-ed sports leagues can be considered a form of weak social circle game. It’s pretty difficult to swoop into a co-ed kickball, softball, volleyball, or soccer league & directly arrange dates. First, there are more men than women in all these leagues. Nearly every other guy in these leagues is an unattached guy who is trying to get his penis wet in league because he read some advice article online or in a printed copy of a magazine about doing this. The only exceptions are the men who join teams with their girlfriends or wives. You can make friends in these leagues but chances are that the other men need sex as much as you do. If you’re able to develop a social circle from a co-ed sports league, realize it will take multiple seasons of participation in the league. So you’d better actually like that sport because playing that sport is often the only benefit of it.

 

[corrector]

When was the last time you approached anyway?

I approached a cashier when I was checking out some items. She didn't give me any IOIs and was just business.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I approached a cashier when I was checking out some items. She didn't give me any IOIs and was just business.

The way I see it, if women don't know what they want from one second to the next, then just approach and try to suss out if she's interested during the course of the interaction.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Agreed. The white guy with blond hair and blue eyes is called "nordic white", which means other whites, like @MatureDJ, or @zinc4 are not benefitting from that (although @MatureDJ is rejecting women from other races but crying incel).

The basic thought is you need something to work with. An IOI or some initial interest to feel your approach is welcome or that the other party is willing to talk with you. What is your race? I'm mixed but could pass for a non-nordic white or middle-eastern, but even that doesn't cut it as we see that even a hooker rejected @MatureDJ because she thought he was non-white and he had to go back a second time.

You feel you would have an Asian wife or string of Asians/Latinos if you were white? I feel the same way too. I remember in the 90s when you had paper ads that you saw this ad for Asian women who were looking for white guys to date, and the ad specifically said white guys only. You see this across the board and even in customer service.

It's the rarest, and the most Aryan of features. The whitest of the white lol. White people are already considered the epitome of beauty, and the scarcity and rarity of blonde and blue is the most sought after.

That's literally it. If I get no signs or hints that a woman is interested...why take a shot in the dark? Clearly I know she isn't, so it's a waste of time. As someone that's naturally introverted, I can't approach with no goodwill, and I don't get any...which is a direct sign women aren't interested, so I shouldn't approach.

I'm black and both of my parents are black, but I look mixed. (not black/white mixed, but black/latin/pacific islander/Samoan) I've gotten comparisons to Lenny Kravitz a ton, but also Russell Wilson. That doesn't matter because my personality and disposition are too weird and alternative. I'm in no way the "thug/confident" stereotype, but I'm also not a cornball/coon, self-loather who obsesses over white girls and Asians. To be honest, I come off as a pretentious, haughty, gothy poet, and unless you're white, women aren't exactly clamoring for that.

Tbh, unlike 98% of this board, I don't care for Asian women(unless they're mixed with white) but I know for sure I'd receive a ton of attention from them and Latinas if I was white, since I'm already 6'3, very learn and I dress really well. If I was white and I could just walk into a club or bar and pick up women like ordering ice cream at a parlor, my cache would be European women, mixed black girls and Colombians.

 

[DonJuanjr]

That's literally it. If I get no signs or hints that a woman is interested...why take a shot in the dark? Clearly I know she isn't, so it's a waste of time.

How so? If women don't even know what they want, how would you?