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Women have been conditioned to share high value men over the course of human history. This wouldn't have been the choice of women to do this - the Alpha simply would have chosen his harem. If a woman complained about it she would have been clubbed to death. So, women defying Alphas dictates would well and truly have been bred out of humans.
Yes. Think Genghis Khan.

Men, on the other man, are largely conditioned throughout history to spend their entire lives not getting laid. This idea that humans lived in these tribes where everyone was fvcking freely is such a pathetic Indian IT worker wank fantasy. It is well known that the tribe structure of early humans was Alpha breeding males and Beta worker bees that didn't get laid (that's why you have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors - and it's probably far more than that).
True. I like the phrase "Indian IT worker wank fantasy". A lot of STEM workers have difficulty getting laid and that's STEM workers of all ethnicities. There are plenty of white IT workers and engineers who are borderline incel or incel.

This is exactly how you see mating behavior in the animal kingdom - males fighting over females. It's always been that way.
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This is gold bro. This should be required reading for every man about to pick out an engagement ring. This is pretty much how it goes. This is the timeline.
Thank you for letting me know that this commentary below is gold regarding the typical timeline of romantic relationships.

Women's inclination towards serial monogamy does confuse men, especially beta males. A lot of men, especially beta males, will be with a woman 1-3 years and the sex will be frequent and good. That's still inside most women's serial monogamy zone. The man puts a ring on it, hoping to continue to get frequent access to vagina he deems acceptable or better for the forseeable future. There's something like a 6-12 month engagement, then the wedding, and then sex is still frequent for the first 2 years or so of the marriage. After ~2 years of marriage, the couple has been together for about 5 years, which is near the outer limits of women's desired serial monogamy window. I think the window is roughly 7 years long.

The median marriage that fails becomes a failure around the 7th anniversary, which is roughly 10 years of total relationship time. If you break down the 10 years, things are usually good for 5-7 of them (women's serial monogamy window) and then a couple will spend 3-5 years trying to make it work due to socialization/societal pressures before declaring it a failure.

After the serial monogamy window ends, this is how the relationship typically looks:

If the man is more alpha: The serial monogamy window is longer than shorter but will eventually end. When the window ends and the sexual frequency subsides, the man who has more alpha traits will have an affair because he has alpha traits desirable to women. The woman finds out and usually files for divorce. There are some occasions where she'll stay for some socialization based reason, but that seems to be less common than in the past.

If the man is a typical beta or a better than average beta: The woman will dead bedroom him. He'll get resentful. Things will be bad for him in most cases because he is much less likely to be able to cheat. If the woman has dignity, she'll file for divorce before she cheats but she might emotionally cheat or line things up so that she can monkey branch the second she files for divorce. Some women will have affairs and their men won't find out. I think women are better at concealing affairs. If the man finds out, he might file for divorce. She might file too. The occasional beta will agree to an open relationship or swinging arrangement, but this is less common than outright divorce. Some open relationship/swinger couples eventually divorce.

If the man is a lesser beta: He will look like a soy boy and she will routinely cuck him, often times openly. Many times the man will stay around for this.
 

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Monogamy is simply an investment indicator. Women are very into monogamy because they know that it earns a much higher degree of investment from the man (resources, protection etc). Men are into monogamy because it gives him a higher chance of not accidentally putting his hard-earned resources into raising another man's kid.

It's all very simple stuff. The Woke Agenda tries to make it complicated by inserting gender confusion into it, but it's not confusing at all.
Women are into monogamy? You must not be referring to Western people. No one you know was de virgined by the person they married and is still together. That's real monogamy.
 

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Well Men mentally mature at 25 while women can range from 14-16 so i believe 18 is the average for both genders.



Arab and indian societies still have arranged marriages so that's like 2 billion people right there practising monogamous relationships. A lot of traditional societies simply do not date at all, they meet up and get married. This produces significantly healthier and happier relationships on average. Multiple surveys and studies back this up.




There is an entire world outside of America and the Anglosphere, America has had decades of feminism and sjws eroding traditional values and normalising Degenerate behaviour.
Yes arranged marriages are two people that are forced to be together. This is why it works. They have no choice. The family would literally disown them. It works on coercion. Yes rape also works on coercion. Is that real sex? You have to force people into monogamy for it to work. Ok....
 

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Women are into monogamy? You must not be referring to Western people. No one you know was de virgined by the person they married and is still together. That's real monogamy.
In thinking about the married couples in my social circle, the man didn't take the woman's virginity.
 

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Yeah they tried to recreate this in the 60's and 70's in Hippy poly communes in the USA. It always fell apart and descended into jealousy. There are some quite interesting documentaries by Adam Curtis on it.

Humans are driven by very primal urges that might seem uncivilized to you. "Possessing" our sexual partner is one of those urges that humans have. I'd strongly argue that sexual openness and a poly society only really benefits the men who are currently left out of the sexual marketplace. I can't see how men who are currently getting plenty of sex would be motivated to share it.
Yeh so the ones that work don't broadcast that they are working. You never hear about it. There are alot of on the low polyamorous marriages where the couples turn a blind eye to each other's infidelity. French culture accept that infidelity is a part of love. They don't take it personally when a partner steps out. I went to France as a teenager and the French where laughing at how uptight Americans are about sexual infidelity. They were wondering why we were persecuting Bill Clinton so much when the French leader openly had affairs. Literally the rest of the world does the polyamorous thing.
 

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Yeh so the ones that work don't broadcast that they are working. You never hear about it. There are alot of on the low polyamorous marriages where the couples turn a blind eye to each other's infidelity. French culture accept that infidelity is a part of love. They don't take it personally when a partner steps out. I went to France as a teenager and the French where laughing at how uptight Americans are about sexual infidelity. They were wondering why we were persecuting Bill Clinton so much when the French leader openly had affairs. Literally the rest of the world does the polyamorous thing.
Do you have any sources to back up your ridiculous claims? It seems like you are relying way too much on personal anecdotes here.
 

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Modern Class inequality is largely attributed to women entering the workforce, it increased the pool of workers and drove down the average wage. A family could no longer survive on a single income, now you need both parents working and even that isn't enough in most major cities.
That is one factor but not the only one.
 

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Do you have any sources to back up your ridiculous claims? It seems like you are relying way too much on personal anecdotes here.
Yes I do. I can send them when I get to my home computer. Do you have any evidence to back up your ridiculous claims that monogamy works? Lol...if it worked so well you wouldn't be on this website dude.
 

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The French have been known for post-modern art and post-modern, radical sexual practices after the French Revolution. Their birthrates are through the floor. Same as Japan, where apparently open affairs are also normal.

No one wants to invest in a poly relationship. It becomes all about hedonistic nutting on yourself. Children aren't produced, nothing is built. Society decays.

Like I said earlier, take your theories out into the real world and talk to women about them. I think you'll find your only takers are blue-haired walruses with STDs oozing out of their eyeballs.
Dont you claim to be ****ing the hottest women? If you did then you would know that the hottest women on earth are not monogamous. Not by a long shot. They get passed around like cheap jewelry by a group of men they deem as high value. They at best are serial monogamist and many of them have had MFM or MFF experiences. But you would not know this. Girls are freaky as hell. They just hide it for fear of judgement. I'm not saying that they are as freaky as men but the are a lot nastier than we think.

If you actually were doing what you claim in the real world you would know this. I'm going to ask you guys to start providing proof of all the girl you banged because you guys are way too idealistic.

In real life the hottest girls fuc alot more than they let you know. They just ain't fucin you ( or me anymore that much).
 

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Yep. Women require men to be monogamous, while they can be hypergamous. Didn't you know this? Women make sexual marketplace rules that benefit them and this is entirely rational.

If you've ever been caught cheating by a woman before then you would know that they are always outraged by it. Plenty of stories about women killing their cheating husbands, I've first-hand experienced women literally leap onto me and start clawing at my face when I've been caught cheating. I had an ex who I cheated on go so far as to call the police and put in a false report (luckily she was found to be lying so that matter was resolved).

I'm just not seeing this proclivity to poly relationships much anywhere in real life, outside of wank books.

In my experience, women definitely want to know that you are attractive to other women, and capable of banging them, and they might even get turned on by the idea of you banging them. But then they want you to commit exclusively to them. It's always been this way for me.
Women cheat at a 50% rate atleast. Why do you keep saying they are into monogamy?
 

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Yes I do. I can send them when I get to my home computer. Do you have any evidence to back up your ridiculous claims that monogamy works? Lol...if it worked so well you wouldn't be on this website dude.
I posted multiple sources earlier, peer reviewed studies.
 

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My point is that if someone tells you that they are crazy...then you better believe them. Women have been telling us that they are sexual for a long time. We have just been telling them " no you are not...it's that evil feminism making you *****s." Umm no.

These creatures were designed to hop from guy to guy with brief periods of pair bonding. It is us men who are the romantic ones.

I have deflowered virgins on two occasions. They pair bond more than the normal girl but it's nothing crazy. They didn't look at their deflowering as super duper special. I was taught that they would but this is not the reality. Again men superimpose this chastity onto women.
 

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I posted multiple sources earlier, peer reviewed studies.
Okay I posted whole books earlier. These books also contain peer reviews studies. I will post them again now. Civilized to Death by Chris Ryan. Tribe by Sebastian Unger and Sex at Dawn.
 

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Women cheat at 50% is very misleading. How would anyone even get that stat? By asking women if they cheat? Haha

In my experience, women cheat upwards - so it's predictable. If she has a better option, and the circumstances are right, she will do it covertly. But even then not always.

Women are way, waaaaaay less into sex than we are bro. Sorry to say. They just don't have the testosterone to keep up with us.
Bro did you just type that women cheating at 50% is very misleading??? I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this........they just are not cheating with YOU. Trust and believe if you hang around very handsome men you will find out how much women really cheat. I was a Tyron lite in my early 20s so i only saw a relatively small part of it. I also lived in Vegas and let me tell you they cheat ALOT more than you think. I have pictures to prove everything I am saying.

Brotha you don't know what you speak of.
 

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What you're writing makes absolutely no logical sense if you believe in nature and evolution, survival and reproduction.

Sex is the most valuable thing in the world. Everything either directly or indirectly revolves around it. To pretend that it's no big deal....

If I was a girl listening to you rattle off this stuff I'd be like "Yeah, nice try dude. Go back to your xbox"
Hahaha bro you think women look at sex as " the most valuable thing in the world?". How many women have you slept with? Can't be that much. If you have you would understand that women have the capacity to hand out sex like candy. Girls smash 10 dudes in one hot girl summer. That's not viewing sex as special. But again you would not know this because you were never around it.

They don't view it as special. They only view it as special with a lot of religious conditioning. They view it as special if they had a strong father figure that viewed it as special. Do you live in the USA?? You can't. No way.
 

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Hi Pandora,
Well what a hornets nest you have stirred...As a Young Man I worked in the Northern Territory travelling from Mission Station to Mission Station,checking on Government funded building works...There were still a few semi Wild Aboriginals in those days and they would come in from time to time to receive handouts...I spoke to Old timers who remembered meeting isolated groups of tribes men who had never seen White Men before...The relationship between the sexes was very complicated indeed,seemed generally the Old Men had first pick with very young Girls (Still A big problem)there was a ritualised system for who could sleep with who,it certainly wasn't an all in affair,the penalties for stepping out of line were very harsh indeed...I suspect that my Celtic ancestors were somewhat similar,for the young Men it was probably a rather furtive thing,so much so that the Older Women probably educated the young.
 

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Isn't Vegas where women literally go to cheat? I think that's about the most biased sample you could provide.

Women cheating is purely circumstantial. It relates to circumstance, opportunity and consequences. Reading about Hypergamy will help you to understand this female mechanism.

I think what's happened here is you've seen a couple of women cheat on their husbands and you've made this incredible wank-fantasy leap that all women want to live in an open poly society.
Bro you never lived what you speak of. This is why you talk about " reading about Hypergamy". I actually lived it to a small degree. I hung around people that actually did it. You read about it on a forum and in a book.

In real life women don't just fukk upwards like hypergamy will tell you. They fukk and cheat with the most random dudes. Women will cheat with other women. Is that hypergamy? Women will cheat with drug addicts. Is that hypergamy? School teacher will smash 14 yr old boys. Is that hypergamy? Female sexuality is much more chaotic and robust than you think.
 

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Bro you never lived what you speak of. This is why you talk about " reading about Hypergamy". I actually lived it to a small degree. I hung around people that actually did it. You read about it on a forum and in a book.
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Okay I posted whole books earlier. These books also contain peer reviews studies. I will post them again now. Civilized to Death by Chris Ryan. Tribe by Sebastian Unger and Sex at Dawn.
Chris Ryan has a phd in psychology, not anthropology. His book is full of pseudo-science, I'm not sure you are familiar what a peer reviewed study is. Ryan's endnotes include blogs and interviews on websites of authors he clearly hasn't read. As I suspected while reading the text, he is unfamiliar with the authors he cites.

My sources are legitimate, for example my first one is literal dna sampling. That is something you cannot refute, if women were more promiscuous in the past then we would have more male ancestors by default. This genetic study is from Rafael Wlodarski who is a neuroscience graduate from oxford.


Here is yet another study from Marianne Brandon.



Results: Serial sexual and social monogamy is the norm for humans. Across time and cultures, humans have adapted both long- and short-term mating strategies that are used flexibly, and sometimes simultaneously, based on unique personal, social, and environmental circumstances.

Conclusion: Human mating behavior is individualistic, the result of numerous biopsychosocial influences. The clinician cannot assume that an individual presenting as a patient maintains a monogamy-valued view of his or her intimate relationship. Patients may experience conflict between the cultural monogamous ideal and their actual sexual behaviors. This conflict may be critical in understanding a patient's sexual concerns and in treatment planning. Awareness of these issues will aid the practitioner in sexual medicine.
 
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