WTF is going on with the world and this non-binary crap??

[PRW63]

The problem is that this is all very vague. "Studies seem to support anecdotal observations..."

You can't get scientific objective studies on any subject that has been politicized and made "untouchable",...and forbidden to study it. As soon as some scientist tries to study it they would be labeled "homo-phobe" and would have their funding pulled, lose their occupation, and be destroyed in the "community" they existed in. So anecdotal is what you get,...and anecdotal does have value. Part of science is observation which is "experience" and that is exactly what anecdotal is. Science is "Experimentation & Observation". Anecdotal is Observation, it just lacks the controlled experimentation preceding it.

 

[rjc149]

And for that matter, why is it so difficult to accept that homosexuality may be entirely a result of environmental factors? Why does there have to be an underlying genetic reason?

Because this suggests that gay men have "learned" to be, and to do, something that in many societies will result in their ostracization, torture, and/or execution. If it were a simple matter of cognitive conditioning, they should be able to undo it, rather than continue the unwanted behavior surreptitiously at the risk of social/familial shunning or death. But it's not a simple matter of environmental conditioning or affectation of mannerisms, because that would lend legitimacy to the bogus "deconditioning" that gays have been subjected to throughout the 20th century.

I don't really want to spend time providing links to scientific studies which suggest a correlation between low T and homosexuality, but they are numerous and substantial. I'm also not arguing that gay and straight are black and white. We all fall within a spectrum based on genetic predisposition, upbringing and environment. The combination of those can put some people on a polar end of that spectrum. A man who solely and exclusively has romantic relationships with other men cannot decondition his homosexuality, which indicates some level of inherent chemical hardwiring over which he has no control.

 

[Billtx49]

I doubt gay sex is anywhere near as prevalent in prisons or the military as the media makes it out to be.

Don’t drop your soap in the prison shower…

 

[Bokanovsky]

Because this suggests that gay men have "learned" to be, and to do, something that in many societies will result in their ostracization, torture, and/or execution. If it were a simple matter of cognitive conditioning, they should be able to undo it, rather than continue the unwanted behavior surreptitiously at the risk of social/familial shunning or death. But it's not a simple matter of environmental conditioning or affectation of mannerisms, because that would lend legitimacy to the bogus "deconditioning" that gays have been subjected to throughout the 20th century.

Just because something is an acquired behavior shaped by environmental factors does not mean that it is easy to decondition or undo. Look at addiction, for example. There are people who are addicted to gambling, pornography, video games. Those addictions are often extremely difficult to break. And yet, they are entirely environmental. Before video games were invented, there were no video game addicts. Environmental conditioning does not imply someone waking up one day and deciding that they are going to try being gay for a change. It includes things like being sexually abused as a minor, growing up without a proper male model, and other types of extreme emotional trauma.

A study that I would really like to see is one that measures the percentage of children adopted by gay couples that grow up to be gay themselves. I would venture a guess that it is way out of proportion compared to children raised by heterosexual couples. But no one would date to conduct, let alone publish, such a study.

 

[PRW63]

Don’t drop your soap in the prison shower…

He may be right about the military. The media hates the military unless it is being used for a social experiment, or they can use it to forward and agenda. They bash the military every chance they get.

 

[rjc149]

Just because something is an acquired behavior shaped by environmental factors does not mean that it is easy to decondition or undo. Look at addiction, for example. There are people who are addicted to gambling, pornography, video games. Those addictions are often extremely difficult to break. And yet, they are entirely environmental. Before video games were invented, there were no video game addicts. Environmental conditioning does not imply someone waking up one day and deciding that they are going to try being gay for a change. It includes things like being sexually abused as a minor, growing up without a proper male model, and other types of extreme emotional trauma.

A study that I would really like to see is one that measures the percentage of children adopted by gay couples that grow up to be gay themselves. I would venture a guess that it is way out of proportion compared to children raised by heterosexual couples. But no one would date to conduct, let alone publish, such a study.

Equating homosexuality with addiction runs into a key problem — there are plenty of recovered addicts around. There are no recovered gays. That is because homosexuality cannot be undone, unlearned, deconditioned, or cured. Which again presents fairly incontrovertible evidence that genetic predisposition and chemical composition in the brain are factors in addition to environmental factors.

I don’t know the source or if it has an LGBT agenda, but here

Same-sex couples do not influence their adoptive children's gender identity

There is no major difference in the gender identity development of children raised by same-sex parents compared to those adopted by heterosexual couples. The toys that children prefer to play with in their preschool years are much more tell-tale about whether they will grow up to conform to...

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[Bigpapa]

Equating homosexuality with addiction runs into a key problem — there are plenty of recovered addicts around. There are no recovered gays. That is because homosexuality cannot be undone, unlearned, deconditioned, or cured. Which again presents fairly incontrovertible evidence that genetic predisposition and chemical composition in the brain are factors in addition to environmental factors.

I don’t know the source or if it has an LGBT agenda, but here

Same-sex couples do not influence their adoptive children's gender identity

There is no major difference in the gender identity development of children raised by same-sex parents compared to those adopted by heterosexual couples. The toys that children prefer to play with in their preschool years are much more tell-tale about whether they will grow up to conform to...

www.sciencedaily.com

what I have noticed by talking with gay guys is that the vast majority are actually bisexual and were raised by a very strict father or were raised by a single mother

I would say that most gay people have one or more traits in common :

- being gay is a form a revenge to the father
- have no clear identity to whom they really are , as they lacked a fatherly figure
- have some sort of mental problems . Like depression or low self esteem
- mainly sleep with other guys as it is way more simple to have gay sex ( as a guy ) than to sleep with at least an average women

I am not trying to put gay people down , on the contrary people should have the liberty to sleep with whom ever they want with ( except for minors , animals and dead people )

 

[rjc149]

what I have noticed by talking with gay guys is that the vast majority are actually bisexual and were raised by a very strict father or were raised by a single mother

I would say that most gay people have one or more traits in common :

- being gay is a form a revenge to the father
- have no clear identity to whom they really are , as they lacked a fatherly figure
- have some sort of mental problems . Like depression or low self esteem
- mainly sleep with other guys as it is way more simple to have gay sex ( as a guy ) than to sleep with at least an average women

I am not trying to put gay people down , on the contrary people should have the liberty to sleep with whom ever they want with ( except for minors , animals and dead people )

Most gay men I’ve known were not bi, but not super queeny gay either. I agree there’s usually an absence of a positive father figure, which is often the root of their neuroticism and low esteem (my cousin, who recently came out, had a very strained relationship with his conservative father who now will not speak to him). There is usually a more dominant, matriarchal mother. Most gay men I’ve known have been suicidal or given to other severe depressive disorders like bipolarity, but that may be rooted from living their whole lives in a society which is generally hostile to their existence, not being gay in and of itself.

There are undoubtedly environmental conditions at play, but my cousin for example played with Barbie dolls, wore women’s makeup and put on showtunes performances for everyone as a young child, long before any environmental conditions would influence his adult sexuality. He was just gay all along.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Same thing I would suggest to those who believe in the Illuminati and Santa Claus.

Cute. Might as well associate flat earth with the red pill while we're at it.

With a response to the OP, this is all part of an overarching agenda to neutralize those who are perceived as the main threat to globalist tyranny, which is the western white male. Make him feminine, dumb, tired and distracted and things get easier for total domination.

Curious though that this thread is coming up out of the blue when these issues have been obvious and a cause of concern for over a decade now.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Equating homosexuality with addiction runs into a key problem — there are plenty of recovered addicts around. There are no recovered gays. That is because homosexuality cannot be undone, unlearned, deconditioned, or cured.

That is completely untrue. Lots of people change their sexual identity later in life. Google "sexual fluidity". In fact, bisexuals and homosexuals are much more likely to change their sexual orientation than heterosexuals.

http://midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1153.pdf

 

[Bokanovsky]

There are undoubtedly environmental conditions at play, but my cousin for example played with Barbie dolls, wore women’s makeup and put on showtunes performances for everyone as a young child, long before any environmental conditions would influence his adult sexuality. He was just gay all along.

How did your cousin get his hands on Barbie dolls and makeup in the first place? Do you think that his parents may have had something to do with this? When I was a little boy, my parents bought me toy cars, toy guns, legos, transformers, action figures, etc. Not make up and Barbie dolls.

 

[rjc149]

How did your cousin get his hands on Barbie dolls and makeup in the first place? Do you think that his parents may have had something to do with this? When I was a little boy, my parents bought me toy cars, toy guns, legos, transformers, action figures, etc. Not make up and Barbie dolls.

His older sister.

 

[EyeBRollin]

How did your cousin get his hands on Barbie dolls and makeup in the first place? Do you think that his parents may have had something to do with this? When I was a little boy, my parents bought me toy cars, toy guns, legos, transformers, action figures, etc. Not make up and Barbie dolls.

Irrelevant. If a gay boy wants to play with dolls he will do so. If not from parents he will steal from the sister or a girl at school. I don’t know why in 2021 people still think children can be “guided” into a sexual orientation.

 

[rjc149]

That is completely untrue. Lots of people change their sexual identity later in life. Google "sexual fluidity". In fact, bisexuals and homosexuals are much more likely to change their sexual orientation than heterosexuals.

http://midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1153.pdf

I personally don’t draw a distinction between homosexuals and bisexuals. And while I believe it’s possible for a gay man to eventually conform to prevailing norms and live his life as a conventional straight man, I don’t believe this ever results from a true change in his sexual orientation.

 

[lost_blackbird]

Dunno about all that but my preferred tattoo artist is transgender (F-M) and he's a really
chill down to earth guy. I'm in the chair for 9 hours with him this Friday. He has a great
reassuring manner as a tattooist, a real need to want his work to be perfect and a very gentle
touch. I have been inked by big biker guys who have felt like they are trying to dig their way to
China with the needle. Entirely unnecessary to press that hard with the gun. My trans guy has
a great physique too, he has worked his butt off at the gym and has a 6 pack and pecs that a
lot of guys would be envious of. I was pretty ignorant to the whole trans thing but having spent
many hours talking about his journey and my own while I've been in the chair I can see how he
and I aren't all that different. He has always felt like he was born in the wrong body. I totally get
that, I've often mused that I was born on the wrong planet given how confusing I find other humans.
I consider it a privilege to count him amongst my very few allies in this world. I admire how difficult
it has been for him to get from where he was as a very unhappy and scared female to an uber-cool
tatted guy who is at last happy in his own skin.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I personally don’t draw a distinction between homosexuals and bisexuals. And while I believe it’s possible for a gay man to eventually conform to prevailing norms and live his life as a conventional straight man, I don’t believe this ever results from a true change in his sexual orientation.

I agree that the distinction between homosexuals and bisexuals is artificial. I'd venture a guess that the majority of "homosexuals" have had sex with a female at least once. And even if they haven't, they are physically capable of being aroused by a woman and ejaculating into her. In the old days, homosexuals had families and kids for plausible deniability. This supports the argument that homosexuality is purely behavioural and not genetic.

 

[Kotaix]

Visit any public school in CA. The amount of official pro-LGBTQ… ‘info’ is astounding.
My last ex-, a SWJ Zoomer, was super pro LGB…. She even wished she were a lesbian (to ‘stick it to the man’). Fortunately for me, she loved dvck & being fvcked. She was brainwashed into thinking LGB…. Was trendy & cool.

This.

It's just trendy and cool and kids who engage in it will be told that they are stunning and brave. It's literal brainwashing.

The nazis did something very similar back in the 30s. I once read a book that compiled a bunch of university papers around race that helped to validate and cement their ideology. The same thing is happening now: A bunch of idiot college professors with no idea of the real world are helping to cement a crazy racist and sexist ideology, and people are lapping it up because it makes them look virtuous.

 

[zekko]

How can it be environment if we are describing an extreme minority of the population? No amount of “gay lifestyle” or “pro-trans” stuff turns a straight man into that.

I have no problem with gay or trans people as individuals. However, they are pushing an LGBTQ agenda, even onto pre-pubescent children, and are essentially recruiting. Here's an article that references a study that 40% of Gen Z identifies as LGBTQ. I believe that is rather high, but there are a number of studies showing that the younger generations have exploding numbers of people identifying as LGBTQ . IMO, this is a result of indoctrination, and a lack of moral standards in our current culture.

https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-40-...-christians-identify-lgbtq-poll-shows-1641085

 

[EyeBRollin]

I have no problem with gay or trans people as individuals. However, they are pushing an LGBTQ agenda, even onto pre-pubescent children, and are essentially recruiting.

What exactly is an LGBTQ agenda? There is no amount of conditioning that can make a straight man want to bang another man.

 

[zekko]

What exactly is an LGBTQ agenda? There is no amount of conditioning that can make a straight man want to bang another man.

What if you get to the child before his sexual identity has been fully formed? And you encourage him to pursuing a more feminine identity? What if you even give even give him injections so his hormones do not develop as intended? These are all things that are being done today as part of the LGBTQ agenda.

I think I've seen some studies that have shown that exposure to porn can also increase the likelihood of homosexual behaviors in men, but the memory is unclear. In any case, it does appear that women are more likely to switch identities and/or orientations than men are.