Is there any reason for optimism in dating?

[corrector]

Why would someone voluntarily stop having sex for 10 years and then complain about it? That doesn't make sense to me. volcels and incels are the same. They can't bang what they want to bang, but deal with it in a different way. Volcels pretend they never wanted it to begin with (ego protection). Unless you're monk, I'm not buying the volcel thing.

I guess that's up to @DonJuanjr to explain what he meant by that.

Anyway, back to the original point - Why did "no sex before marriage" used to be a thing? A guy can't miss what he hasn't experienced. Our ancestors knew that once a man gets a sniff of pusssy then he turns into a degenerate and he metaphorically throws down his sword and shield - always remember that women steal energy from men because women have no life force of their own.

Having sex with my ex-wife in the past I'd say that sex is way overrated. I didn't turn into a degenerate and was honestly worried about sex within marriage because my equipment doesn't work that well without herbal interventions. I guess it's just a lost cause.
Maybe if I was married in my 20s it would have been better.

 

[corrector]

Than to be in corrector's shoes who has been an incel for the past couple years.

You mean seven years. Where did you get two years from? You can't even get your facts straight.

 

[Bokanovsky]

OP makes some good point actually. For the average guy, there is no reason to be optimistic about the future. Retarded optimism is what got us into this mess. It's high time someone said that this ain't good enough.

Life’s too short to be a pessimist. No, things aren’t ideal right now but they never really were. Truth be told, for much of human history, things didn’t look so bright for the “average guy”. Look at the lifestyle out ancestors had even a couple of hundred years ago. It was downright brutal. You have to make the best of the times we live in.

 

[Zimbabwe]

If you say so.
I'm almost two and a half years celibate and don't feel I'm missing anything at all worth my time and effort.
I also have pretty much zero social contact with anybody else either.

Are you an introvert? Me personally I can't stand being alone and i genuinely enjoy going out and doing stuff with a girlfriend.

 

[lost_blackbird]

Are you an introvert? Me personally I can't stand being alone and i genuinely enjoy going out and doing stuff with a girlfriend.

No, I have Asperger's. Introversion comes as a free gift along with being largely unable to read social
cues, finding public spaces overwhelming, especially loud or brightly lit ones, in my case a severe aversion
to being touched by other humans, poor social skills in general, frequent inappropriate comments, a tendency
to meltdown or shutdown when emotionally overwhelmed and a distinct tendency to think in black and white
extremes. I also suffer extended periods of low level depression. What a catch huh? So I remove myself from
the social pool, in the long run, it saves me from being hurt by or disappointed with other people.

 

[corrector]

There was a coworker who was in his early twenties. He said to me "It seems like you haven't had sex in a long time". I was blown away that he could tell. I believe what ever he sensed is part of that fading masculinity I mentioned.

He was a gay guy who was trying to come on to you.

 

[Mike32ct]

He was a gay guy who was trying to come on to you.

There are guys where you can sense they are in a dry spell, but to actually tell them that to their face is creepy/inappropriate, especially at work.

 

[andreihaha]

What do you do when women don’t want to have sex with you and prostitution is illegal where you live?

You improve, not relocate.
I don't think there is a man on this planet that NO woman would sleep with.
If women don't want to sleep with you, it's because of one or many reasons. It's your job to find what those are, if you want the situation to change.

 

[andreihaha]

It's ridiculous that people would rather relocate than work on themselves. And that they would also advise other people to do this...

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I never said you lose all masculinity. Just some part of it fades. While being in the sexless state you don't walk around feeling inferior or anything. It's subtle. Not noticeable until you brake the sexless state. The funny thing is... It's not noticeable by you, but is noticeable by others around you. I started a new job, I was in my late twenties. There was a coworker who was in his early twenties. He said to me "It seems like you haven't had sex in a long time". I was blown away that he could tell. I believe what ever he sensed is part of that fading masculinity I mentioned.

Women can REALLY notice it. It's also in your pheremones. So even if you are good looking guy, she might find that for what ever reason you don't turn her on or she's just not attracted. It's because the sexual male side of yourself has not been fed.

Maybe after you get to a certain point of success with women. But most incels obviously are not that successful.

I would think that not being able to hunt when you are trying to be a hunter is more demoralizing than being able to kill a deer, even though it's not a 10 point alpha buck. But one that a more seasoned hunter would ignore. There is a sense of accomplishment that comes with the novice hunter in getting that less than desirable buck.

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

The hunter analogy indicates that one must work their way up the skill levels, no way around it to become proficient and for it to be second nature.

 

[Barrister]

Women can REALLY notice it. It's also in your pheremones. So even if you are good looking guy, she might find that for what ever reason you don't turn her on or she's just not attracted. It's because the sexual male side of yourself has not been fed.



The hunter analogy indicates that one must work their way up the skill levels, no way around it to become proficient and for it to be second nature.

Agreed. Pure celibacy is not physically healthy. I believe there have a been a variety of studies that have confirmed this for a number of different reasons. Certainly sitting there and beating your own meat is not a good alternative either.

Some guys here need to listen to some more Marvin Gaye and George Michael. Sex is a natural process and it improves everything in your life. It’s also a major (and unreasonable IMO) jump to say if you want sex you are essentially being controlled by women. This mindset seems very destructive a depressing to have. Sex is the ultimate capitulation a woman can give a man. Not vice versa.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Agreed. Pure celibacy is not physically healthy. I believe there have a been a variety of studies that have confirmed this for a number of different reasons. Certainly sitting there and beating your own meat is not a good alternative either.

Some guys here need to listen to some more Marvin Gaye and George Michael. Sex is a natural process and it improves everything in your life. It’s also a major (and unreasonable IMO) jump to say if you want sex you are essentially being controlled by women. This mindset seems very destructive a depressing to have. Sex is the ultimate capitulation a woman can give a man. Not vice versa.

Women without sex are the worst Karens ever. They have alot of stress and misery and attempt to inject it into others. Sexual men without it become bitter, cynical and negative - causing a self fulfilling prophecy of doom and gloom.

I just learned the Barry White the singer knew how the future would unfold:

 

[corrector]

Here come all the chadsplainers trying to convince us that sex is important and that any guy can have sex, lol! The privilege is baffling.

You notice how you never hear of people say that food is good to eat because you might starve to death if you decided to stop eating for life, or that water or liquids are good to drink since you'll get dehydrated if you decided to stop drinking? How do you go to selling the idea that sex is good on a seduction board? This is gold.

I can guarantee you they all got vaxxed up since you add sex to that, it becomes a nobrainer.

Does THAT make the OP more optimistic about dating or more bad about it seeing he's an anti-vaxxer and one of those covid-deniers and probably hasn't gotten laid since the start of the pandemic?

 

[timmyroni]

I just got back from a major bike ride near the lake on a crowded trail. Wore an n95 mask the whole time. I was thinking, if I had taken the jab earlier, then I wouldn't have had to wear a mask, like everyone else there who did not, and be the only odd one out wearing a full N95 mask, with dark glasses and a bike helmet.

and was honestly worried about sex within marriage because my equipment doesn't work that well without herbal interventions. I guess it's just a lost cause.

What an idiot!

 

[corrector]

What an idiot!

You are the idiot because you are unvaccinated and don't have a passport so you must just suffer. I really don't care (about getting or not getting a passport) but you clearly are losing out by making such a retarded thread that sounds like you are crying about not having a passport. Cry me a river.

 

[timmyroni]

lol you're a little limp noodle tryna tell people how to get laid

you're afraid of needles telling people to get a fake vaxx

boi your head is so far up your azz even your own wife wouldn't f-ck with you lmao.

You are the idiot because you are unvaccinated and don't have a passport so you must just suffer. I really don't care (about getting or not getting a passport) but you clearly are losing out by making such a retarded thread that sounds like you are crying about not having a passport. Cry me a river.

 

[Barrister]

Here come all the chadsplainers trying to convince us that sex is important and that any guy can have sex, lol! The privilege is baffling.

You notice how you never hear of people say that food is good to eat because you might starve to death if you decided to stop eating for life, or that water or liquids are good to drink since you'll get dehydrated if you decided to stop drinking? How do you go to selling the idea that sex is good on a seduction board? This is gold.

I can guarantee you they all got vaxxed up since you add sex to that, it becomes a nobrainer.

Does THAT make the OP more optimistic about dating or more bad about it seeing he's an anti-vaxxer and one of those covid-deniers and probably hasn't gotten laid since the start of the pandemic?

Right - no one except “Chad” is getting laid and only then because he’s vaccinated. Do you derive some sick pleasure in being so negative to the point of silliness? Your attitude clearly holds you back - the least you can do is not spread your negativity to others.

 

[corrector]

Right - no one except “Chad” is getting laid and only then because he’s vaccinated. Do you derive some sick pleasure in being so negative to the point of silliness? Your attitude clearly holds you back - the least you can do is not spread your negativity to others.

You are the one who has a skunk avatar.

 

[corrector]

lol you're a little limp noodle tryna tell people how to get laid

you're afraid of needles telling people to get a fake vaxx

boi your head is so far up your azz even your own wife wouldn't f-ck with you lmao.

No I'm telling you to get one because nobody cares if you can't enter any social venues because you don't have a passport. Why do you make a thread crying about it. Just get vaxxed, get your passport and stop complaining.

 

[Barrister]

You are the one who has a skunk avatar.

Not just any skunk. The Great Pepe Le Pew!