Beware of the Jaded

[Spaz]

Whatever, I don't care either. Like I said. I already think you're dumb.

If I am dumb then why don't you open up a new thread and discuss Christianity with me?

R u afraid that my knowledge far surpasses yours?

Like I said previously, stick to the topic boy, even right now you're on the losing end.

 

[Speculator E]

If I am dumb then why don't you open up a new thread and discuss Christianity with me?
R u afraid that my knowledge far surpasses yours?
Like I said previously, stick to the topic boy, even right now you're on the losing end.

Dude...how many times do I have to say something for you to understand and get the point??
I'm not interested in discussing Christianity with you.
Wanna know why?
Because I have no idea what qualify you to understand Christianity. You could be some kid in his mom's basement for all I know.
I prefer to go to a credible source that is easily verifiable to understand Christianity. Like Wikipedia.
Or the main source itself like the Bible.

 

[Spaz]

Dude...how many times do I have to say something for you to understand and get the point??
I'm not interested in discussing Christianity with you.
Wanna know why?
Because I have no idea what qualify you to understand Christianity. You could be some kid in his mom's basement for all I know.
I prefer to go to a credible source that is easily verifiable to understand Christianity. Like Wikipedia.
Or the main source itself like the Bible.

And how do we know that u r not that, what you just said?

 

[Speculator E]

And how do we know that u r not that, what you just said?

OMG...please just stop with these retarded questions!
The short answer is you don't. It's your responsibility to figure out who the bs'er and who is legit.

 

[Spaz]

OMG...please just stop with these retarded questions!
The short answer is you don't. It's your responsibility to figure out who the bs'er and who is legit.

If I am retarded then why are you talking abt God suddenly in this thread but yet when challenged you suddenly don't wish to discuss it?

Typical of a coward who knows a little but can't hold on his own.

Anyhow, my offer stands if you wish to discuss or even preach on Christian values or even the bible.

Create the thread and I'll be there.

Now stop being childish and stop ruining this thread with ur femininity.

I won't be entertaining you further.

 

[Speculator E]

If I am retarded then why are you talking abt God suddenly in this thread but yet when challenged you suddenly don't wish to discuss it?
Typical of a coward who knows a little but can't hold on his own.
Anyhow, my offer stands if you wish to discuss or even preach on Christian values or even the bible.
Create the thread and I'll be there.
Now stop being childish and stop ruining this thread with ur femininity.
I won't be entertaining you further.

Lol. You're still talking about this. No one cares about your views on Christianity.
You care wayyyyy tooo much.

 

[BeExcellent]

Her intention is noble from a feminine point of view since its with the intention of making men in general think.

Can you blame her for thinking from a feminine perspective that a man should act in such fashion per her world view?

Now whether it's right or not is an entirely different matter.

Hence the discussion, which will benefit you as well as others reading it to finally form a new way of thinking since that will also affect how they do things in real life.

Fair enough. Interestingly I’ve never felt the need to put anyone on ignore.

Let me get coffee & get a little business done. I shall respond in a few hours.

 

[BeExcellent]

How would he fare in standard public high schools?

He would be in the top 10% of the graduating class with letters in 2 varsity sports and a letter in music (he is ranked nationally on the tenor saxophone) and he pulls a 3.7 weighted GPA that includes honors and college credit classes. He is known at and popular with the local high school kids, many of whom he attended Catholic elementary school with and whom he played community sports with over the years. His high school sweetheart attends the local public high school. As I said he's doing well.

Guys who go straight into the military after public high school are going in as enlisted. That is what my ex BF did (and made a career of it) however...

That is very different than an officer training program, which is what my son is going to pursue. From his high school experience he has friends from around the world, and those friends come from wealthy influential families that have businesses or in some cases are diplomats or high ranking military or political figures.

So he is an exceptional young man in many ways. He also works locally and the business owner who he works for raves about his work ethic and his manners and ability to deal well with the public.

I do not mince words with him. I have explained to him that the world does NOT care about him. That it is up to him to accomplish things for his own life, and that he must make grades at university if he expects me to continue to pay for whatever his scholarships do not pay.

Furthermore I have explained to him that the lifestyle I provide is an expensive lifestyle but that he cannot expect to live off me. He will be an adult and is expected to handle his own business. I will guide him and advise him. I do not, have not, and will not coddle or enable him.

I do love him and encourage him, and part of that is discipline, which teaches him self discipline. I help him understand the nuance of interpersonal interactions (which he has a natural affinity for) where necessary.

I have explained to him (and this has been true since his freshman year) that from now on his life is RESULTS based. And that HE is responsible for his results. He would have a higher GPA but for the fact that he got a "C" for semester in math his freshman year. Prior to that he wanted to go to MIT. After he got that grade I sat his 14 year old rear end down and explained to him that he had just DQ'd himself from MIT. Period. MIT takes only the BEST. White men who go to MIT have to be straight A students AND have an impressive resume. He has never made another "C" through his entire high school career and his marks have been vast majority "A's".

He is young. As young people will do he will make mistakes along the way. But the goal is not to make a mistake from which he cannot recover. We discuss the perils of drinking, smoking anything, drugs, and the hook up/party culture in a transparent way. Coming from years in the nightlife industry my ex husband and I have seen a great deal. So my son is well informed.

But he has to make his own decisions and face the natural consequences of those decisions.

I impart to him the wisdom that my father imparted to me about how to exist in the world. My father was wise and his advice was as salient for a young man as it was for a young woman. Perhaps more so.

 

[BeExcellent]

Yeah I don’t think that’s what objective fact is,

All experience is objective fact. Period. If you went to the store today, that is an experience and an objective fact. The things that occur in your life are objective fact. The things that occur in my life are also objective fact.

Where you must be careful is when you try and adopt someone else's actual experience as your own. This is not objective fact and therefore not experience. I recall my high school debate coach setting up a scenario about this very thing. He asked that students choose a definition of "experience". Some, including myself, chose to define experience as objective occurrences that actually happen to us in real time. Others chose to include in "experience" the watching of TV news, for example as being real experience.

Here is the problem the group who chose to adopt something that others' experienced first hand ran into. They were unable to remove the bias that the non first hand experience inherently includes. All things that are NOT your own first hand experience have come through a filter. It therefore is no longer objective fact.

For example. I have been a woman who men have found attractive all of my adult life. I know this because men have always approached me, stated the attraction and taken actions based in that attraction. Those are factual experiences that could easily be recorded and played back. The occurrences are truth. They are things that ACTUALLY happened. They are not subject to interpretation. Men approach me. Men ask me out. Men buy me things at times without my asking or expecting (think a stranger at a restaurant picking up my tab and the server telling me after the fact)...these are objective things. So when I speak as an attractive woman, I am speaking and making statements that are backed up by actual occurrence after actual occurrence. The occurrences themselves are neutral. But when I talk about how men behave around attractive women? I speak as a woman who men objectively find attractive and have for decades. It is a perspective a man CANNOT have for men are not attractive women.

That is the same argument that is valid when people say I'm not a man. No, I'm not. My perspective is different. But it is no less factual from the standpoint of the reality of objective experience. Its just different.

What you think, percieve or believe about the things that occur in your life are NOT objective fact. But the things themselves that happen stand on their own merit as fact. 100%.

Part of living a life that is grounded in truth involves minimizing the distortions that perception and interpretation naturally imbue. In other words you must seek to take objective fact at face value and calibrate yourself to the best of your ability. Some people do a better job of this than others.

So you cannot minimize my experience. The truth can't be minimized. It simply exists.

 

[BeExcellent]

BE I pick on you over semantics because of the implications of your words. While at face value the message appears to have interests that align with that of the forum’s, when woven together, the implications run completely counter because of the subtle nuances that you’ll only see if you read between the lines.

This is an opinion statement. Your opinion. Own it as such. You perceive things according to your belief system. You are entitled to your opinion but understand that is what it is. Others will not perceive my semantics in the same way you do because they have different filters than you. Part of the maturation process (in my opinion) is acknowledgement of this. I disagree with your assessment by the way. My intent is not a conspiracy theory. You may read it that way due to your own bias. Realize and understand that.

I do choose my words with care and precision in order to be understood as accurately as possible. My father taught me a mantra to "Say what you mean, not mean what you say". As an accomplished trial attorney he understood that language must be used in the most efficient way possible in order to communicate well. So this was taught to me all my life and that is why I am purposeful in the terms I chose to convey an idea.

I was taught and required to think at home by my father.

Her intention is noble from a feminine point of view since its with the intention of making men in general think.

Can you blame her for thinking from a feminine perspective that a man should act in such fashion per her world view?

Now whether it's right or not is an entirely different matter.

Hence the discussion, which will benefit you as well as others reading it to finally form a new way of thinking since that will also affect how they do things in real life.

My perspective is inherently female. Of course. I experience the world as a female. I've no other choice.

Where I take issue is not with the differences in objective reality as I have discussed above. Rather I think it is misguided (not to mention mentally lazy in my view) to digest and regurgitate recycled opinions that are not in line with experience.

Now. We all are guilty of this to one degree or another. And that is useful because it gives us an efficient way to view the world through a lens that is accurate a majority of the time. We understand trends in behavior for example based on collective observations that are collated together. However this is also why outliers exist. Trends and generalities are macro. Outliers are micro. The truth in the trend is only useful to a point, and that is where some danger exists in adopting generalities as absolute. They are not absolute. They are incapable of being absolute, they can't focus to that degree.

So part of negative bias comes from inability to think beyond a generality, and in the laziness of accepting the trend as the truth. They are not the same thing.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

He would be in the top 10% of the graduating class with letters in 2 varsity sports and a letter in music (he is ranked nationally on the tenor saxophone) and he pulls a 3.7 weighted GPA that includes honors and college credit classes. He is known at and popular with the local high school kids, many of whom he attended Catholic elementary school with and whom he played community sports with over the years. His high school sweetheart attends the local public high school. As I said he's doing well.

Guys who go straight into the military after public high school are going in as enlisted. That is what my ex BF did (and made a career of it) however...

That is very different than an officer training program, which is what my son is going to pursue. From his high school experience he has friends from around the world, and those friends come from wealthy influential families that have businesses or in some cases are diplomats or high ranking military or political figures.

So he is an exceptional young man in many ways. He also works locally and the business owner who he works for raves about his work ethic and his manners and ability to deal well with the public.

I do not mince words with him. I have explained to him that the world does NOT care about him. That it is up to him to accomplish things for his own life, and that he must make grades at university if he expects me to continue to pay for whatever his scholarships do not pay.

Furthermore I have explained to him that the lifestyle I provide is an expensive lifestyle but that he cannot expect to live off me. He will be an adult and is expected to handle his own business. I will guide him and advise him. I do not, have not, and will not coddle or enable him.

I do love him and encourage him, and part of that is discipline, which teaches him self discipline. I help him understand the nuance of interpersonal interactions (which he has a natural affinity for) where necessary.

I have explained to him (and this has been true since his freshman year) that from now on his life is RESULTS based. And that HE is responsible for his results. He would have a higher GPA but for the fact that he got a "C" for semester in math his freshman year. Prior to that he wanted to go to MIT. After he got that grade I sat his 14 year old rear end down and explained to him that he had just DQ'd himself from MIT. Period. MIT takes only the BEST. White men who go to MIT have to be straight A students AND have an impressive resume. He has never made another "C" through his entire high school career and his marks have been vast majority "A's".

He is young. As young people will do he will make mistakes along the way. But the goal is not to make a mistake from which he cannot recover. We discuss the perils of drinking, smoking anything, drugs, and the hook up/party culture in a transparent way. Coming from years in the nightlife industry my ex husband and I have seen a great deal. So my son is well informed.

But he has to make his own decisions and face the natural consequences of those decisions.

I impart to him the wisdom that my father imparted to me about how to exist in the world. My father was wise and his advice was as salient for a young man as it was for a young woman. Perhaps more so.

Well be sure to also tell him that the university you graduate from doesn’t mean jack **** as long as your GPA is solid. That’s all that matters really. You’re just as likely getting into a law school with a 3.5 GPA from Yale as you are University of Iowa lol. The name helps, but it’s really just to pat yourself on the back to make yourself feel like you’re worth more than you are haha. That’s why half the time people say Ivy League students are pretentious (even though they’re really just pseudointellectuals who aren’t COMPLETE idiots like some others). What matters is the grade, not what you learn. Especially because msot of what you learn is meaningless trivia anyway. There’s a lot more guys out there like Will from Good Will Hunting who opt out because they don’t think it’s worth it to deal with the system at its current state anymore. Can’t blame them. College is stupidly expensive anyway even though most major universities have billions of dollars in their budget lol.

All experience is objective fact. Period. If you went to the store today, that is an experience and an objective fact. The things that occur in your life are objective fact. The things that occur in my life are also objective fact.

But the meanings attributed to those experiences are NOT.

Here is the problem the group who chose to adopt something that others' experienced first hand ran into. They were unable to remove the bias that the non first hand experience inherently includes. All things that are NOT your own first hand experience have come through a filter. It therefore is no longer objective fact.

Or perhaps they aren’t biased by the pervasiveness of the experience itself and are able to think more clearly because of it. Because they are looking at it with an outside perspective, the experience isn’t affecting their judgement since there is no stress/urgency. That’s why in science, naturalistic observations exist.

What you’re saying is too solipsistic. That would be like me saying that because you have never had the experience of actually being turn son, you can never truly know whether he is actually real or not, and that your son’s existence is a subjective experience because you’ve never existed as him before.

Like, what?

I speak as a woman who men objectively find attractive and have for decades. It is a perspective a man CANNOT have for men are not attractive women.

You see, this is where the problem lies. Firstly, objective would imply a consensus. I highly doubt that every single man who has ever seen you in your entire life has approached you and asked you out lol. And I don’t mean that in an offensive way, but just realistically-speaking, there’s women who are much better looking who wouldn’t make that claim lol. So therein is problem #1.

Problem #2? Empathy. What’s the neurological basis for it? Humans have what’s called mirror neurons. It’s why we even have a society to begin with. We can all understand wach other to a degree. When you view everyone else’s understanding of a particular person/thing/event, you can gain a much more holistic and accurate whatever that thing is. Or you can relay information from one person who understand another, to the next (e.g. Person A understands Person B, but doesn’t understand Person C. Person B understands both of them, at least in the way that is important to the specific situation at hand. Person A says something, but Person C doesn’t understand, so Person B explains it in a way that Person C does understand. Person A approves of the explanation because it is an accurate representation of what they were trying to say.).

What you think, percieve or believe about the things that occur in your life are NOT objective fact. But the things themselves that happen stand on their own merit as fact. 100%.

So then why do you attribute the meanings of your experiences to be the same as everyone else’s? And why do you attribute the meanings of your experiences to be the meaning of someone else’s just because their experience is the same as yours?

This is where you yourself aren’t taking into consideration the gray area that is variation between people. To put it succinctly, I am different from you, and because of that, what may work for me may not work for you, and vice versa.

There goes any and all objective fact.

What IS objective is the happening itself. The conclusions drawn from said happening is NOT. You’re blurring the lines when the should not be.

Part of living a life that is grounded in truth involves minimizing the distortions that perception and interpretation naturally imbue. In other words you must seek to take objective fact at face value and calibrate yourself to the best of your ability. Some people do a better job of this than others.

So you cannot minimize my experience. The truth can't be minimized. It simply exists.

There are so many problems with this. No one argues the what, people just argue the why and the how. You’re grouping them all together as one. That’s the first problem. Secondly, you do NOT just take things at face value because then you are not accounting for confounding variables, as mentioned before. Context is everything, and that cannot be ignored.

And I do not minimize your experiences at all, rather, I expand upon them. I disregard your conclusions because they’re drawn from faulty premises.

This is an opinion statement.

BE, I can logically break down the grammatical prose of your writings word-for-word and show you that what I said is not an opinion. I’ve done it with bigneil before when I called him doofus lol and provided citations from the Oxford English Dictionary hahaha

I can do the same with you.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

So this was taught to me all my life and that is why I am purposeful in the terms I chose to convey an idea.

Then what you feel is either wrong, or is proof that men who are not masculine are invisible to women.

My father taught me a mantra to "Say what you mean, not mean what you say". As an accomplished trial attorney he understood that language must be used in the most efficient way possible in order to communicate well.

Yeah, because unfortunately in the court of law, technicalities are always abused as a legal loopholes. It’s the same reason why **** never gets done in Congress either (at least Trump is making moves anyway). It’s a product of the cultural shift from a holistic society to an analytical one. And unfortunately, it’s one of the same reasons why autism narcissism is rising lol

I was taught and required to think at home by my father.

So you learned from your FATHER’s experiences then. That would make you biased under your own definition lol.

I taught myself, and taught myself HOW to teach myself, too.

 

[BeExcellent]

No man is an island. - John Donne

I think the discussion is there for everyone to read.

Thank you.

 

[JayAce]

Very few women don’t have social media.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Women all respond the same. They are status oriented creatures and any attempt to make me thing otherwise is laughable.

Lol this guy. So why even quote me?

Have you never seen women date lowlife thugs with a criminal record and an abusive history? How about the story of Romeo & Juliet—***** literally went to get ****ed by a dude who’s trying to kill her family. Theatricals about this crap have existed for hundreds of years. Even on ghetto twitter, bitches will openly talk about how they love felons.

So much for ‘status’ hahahahaha. Sit down and lemme teach you a thing or two son, you still got some learning to do.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

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status isnt always money or high "social" status.

Or you could just be ‘that guy’ lol. There’s just some dudes that get ***** thrown at them because chicks know the dudes won’t talk about it and won’t judge them at all. You gotta be a literal degenerate for that kinda **** lol. The only ‘status’ you got is the social proof from other bitches who essentially vouch for you lol. You’ll literally become a walking dildo for them. But it’s kept all hush-hush to such an extent where girls will even deceive themselves into thinking it never happened lol. So much for daddy’s little girl.

 

[Spaz]

This is an opinion statement. Your opinion. Own it as such. You perceive things according to your belief system. You are entitled to your opinion but understand that is what it is. Others will not perceive my semantics in the same way you do because they have different filters than you. Part of the maturation process (in my opinion) is acknowledgement of this. I disagree with your assessment by the way. My intent is not a conspiracy theory. You may read it that way due to your own bias. Realize and understand that.

I do choose my words with care and precision in order to be understood as accurately as possible. My father taught me a mantra to "Say what you mean, not mean what you say". As an accomplished trial attorney he understood that language must be used in the most efficient way possible in order to communicate well. So this was taught to me all my life and that is why I am purposeful in the terms I chose to convey an idea.

I was taught and required to think at home by my father.



My perspective is inherently female. Of course. I experience the world as a female. I've no other choice.

Where I take issue is not with the differences in objective reality as I have discussed above. Rather I think it is misguided (not to mention mentally lazy in my view) to digest and regurgitate recycled opinions that are not in line with experience.

Now. We all are guilty of this to one degree or another. And that is useful because it gives us an efficient way to view the world through a lens that is accurate a majority of the time. We understand trends in behavior for example based on collective observations that are collated together. However this is also why outliers exist. Trends and generalities are macro. Outliers are micro. The truth in the trend is only useful to a point, and that is where some danger exists in adopting generalities as absolute. They are not absolute. They are incapable of being absolute, they can't focus to that degree.

So part of negative bias comes from inability to think beyond a generality, and in the laziness of accepting the trend as the truth. They are not the same thing.

@BeExcellent

Im still waiting on ur thoughts on what is a supplicating man.

Obviously it's the number 1 killer in attractiveness of men.

From a woman's point of view.

How does a women test a man for his level of supplication ?

And what can he do, in ur opinion to circumvent it?

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Yes but I also find those girls prone to doing drugs and stuff. I was that guy but I also did drugs and my life was going nowhere lol. Now I am a little more judgmental and I can see how it can turn girls off but the girls i DO attract are beautiful, smart, and most importantly sexual. The best combination we should all strive for is being “that” guy WHILE having an abundant rich future. Focusing on being “that” guy WILL lead to unhappiness and failure in life. Focusing on just a great future with high standards is boring but will lead to long term happiness and success. If you can balance both that is ideal. Sexual girls will be SHOCKED that you are intelligent and thinking of the future and will love you even more and will hold a respect for you that they won’t give to the straight up “****” boy even though they will sleep with you. The intelligent classy girls who are picky will love that your successful and also LOVE that you are sexual and fun as guys that focus on the future and success are usually boring.

Lol yeah that’s kinda true, those girls are more about self-indulgence just because they want to ‘feel free’ and ‘let loose’ lol. Even though they’re just engaging in decadence and degeneracy.

Only problem is that a lot of those “intelligent classy girls” you talk about are the same way inside. As cliche as it sounds, it’s kinda true: there’s the guy they show to their family and then there’s the guy who plows them from behind after they’ve just taken a stressful exam. It’s just that some girls haven’t found a bad boy to do them dirty like that yet. But this stuff exists in pretty much all women.

All status does is it opens the door for romantic feelings to develop more willingly. But sexual attraction is much more important because you can still make most chicks develop feelings for you if you play your cards right, anyway.

That aside you should check out the /r/PurplePill subreddit. There’s some women on there who openly admit that they’re not able to bond with their lovers anymore because of how many ****s they taken. Then they’ll laugh at some guys who say “doesn’t that bother you?” lol. I remember one dude asked about ‘well who really IS your true love/soulmate then?’ And a chick responded that it’s probably some dreamy long-haired guy riding his skateboard somewhere, but that she can’t be with him because she knows he can’t take care of her. I’m pretty sure that she said she was with some “beta nice guy” and used those exact words lol. It might’ve been one of the other sluts though. Whoever it was, I’m pretty sure that she admit that she was just kinda with him because he takes care of her needs. Funny how BE says that we shouldn’t be jaded lmao

 

[BeExcellent]

@BeExcellent

Im still waiting on ur thoughts on what is a supplicating man.

Obviously it's the number 1 killer in attractiveness of men.

From a woman's point of view.

How does a women test a man for his level of supplication ?

And what can he do, in ur opinion to circumvent it?

I shall share my thoughts this evening.

Currently roasting a turkey, baking the second of two scratch made apple pies & about to start the potatoes and green beans. Cooking up a storm over here, lol!

(And my daughters are helping & learning).

Happy Thanksgiving to all y’all in the US.

 

[Speculator E]

She’s a joke. I’ve presented myself as an alpha stud to a girl on my journey to being a DJ but the conditioning of romance and being a nice guy was so strong that I reverted back to the nice guy. Got destroyed l. This happened twice with stunners. **** that. Now I totally dismiss chicks. I’m focusing on getting jacked as hell and getting as rich as I can. I feel like a legit pimp. It feels better this way. Like how nature wants it to be. That one alpha mother fvcker banging all the chicks and getting all the food

Wow. Just two and you gave up that easily. LOL.