You guys realize that getting women as a man is the absolute hardest aspect of social interaction??

[JonnyX]

it doesn't sound like you're much into working out. Fitted upscale clothes really accentuate your physique

Is that you? I would agree with other perspectives. You're a 6/10 at best facially. To me you absolutely look middle eastern. Your build is above average and you have a good bone mass. But it is absolutely no surprise you are not getting the 9+/10 girls you want with ease. You need to be more realistic about your SMV.

And yes fitted clothes help. Again, I thought that goes without saying. I never wear clothes that don't fit me well. But I have actually found a tight plain $20 t shirt can show off your pecs or v taper better than a dress shirt. And that is my point.

 

[bigdave17]

Is that you? I would agree with other perspectives. You're a 6/10 at best facially. To me you absolutely look middle eastern. Your build is above average and you have a good bone mass. But it is absolutely no surprise you are not getting the 9+/10 girls you want with ease. You need to be more realistic about your SMV.

And yes fitted clothes help. Again, I thought that goes without saying. I never wear clothes that don't fit me well. But I have actually found a tight plain $20 t shirt can show off your pecs or v taper better than a dress shirt. And that is my point.

I'm cool with a 6-7/10 face if the body is fantastic. I'm not that picky on the face, I mostly want a woman with a really hot body

Keep in mind I look much better in real life than pics so 7-7.5/10 sounds right on the money in terms of my face.

I recently trimmed the beard down to more like stubble which makes me look younger and more white. I also lost about 15 lbs from this pic here below so my face looks even leaner and more chiseled. Also I don't wear these ugly ass shoes anymore lol.

 

[AJ84]

I still look very masculine overall

the big muscles
the dark, masculine facial features (I have a great jawline/chin, thick eyebrows, thick neck)
my clothes are mostly dark grey, black and blue
my facial stubble is great (thick, dark)

I have a very carefully controlled "presentation" where I just look like a naturally great looking man who enjoys dressing nice. I don't look gay and I'm not overly groomed in the face. I don't pluck my eyebrows, I have some hair on my chest. I don't wear skinny jeans, everything is fitted but not too tight... I've been forced to be this obsessive with my appearance because it has gotten me barely any results. If I was average looking, I would probably be a virgin by now. This is how demanding women are nowadays

trust me, I'm much much much more than the price tag on my clothes or the size of my arms. I am genuinely a very good person and I enjoy a deep, intelligent, philosophical conversation as much as anybody. My dad has a masters degree in electrical engineering. Whenever I see him, all we talk about is the world, politics, history, etc...

and what ego? Most of the time, I have to pump myself up for 30 minutes to say hi to a girl I like. I still wonder if I'm good enough to have a decent girlfriend. I still feel like I need to be wayyyyyyyy more perfect to be good enough for a woman. I'm obsessed with self perfection because that's what women demand nowadays

I could do online dating and get zero replies because I'm only a 7.5/10 and not a 10/10 in the face (I can't control my ethnic facial features. I've maximized every aspect of myself as much as humanly possible and it still probably wouldn't be enough)

Dave, you are preceiving women to be that demanding because of the standards you place on what you are looking for.

If I was single and wanted a man between 6 - 6'5, low body fat lean muscles full head of dark hair even facial hair, medium amount of body hair in all the right places looks good in anything classy slow to wrinkle great personality intelligence classy but fun smart but funny good career but not a workaholic good potential parent etc etc, then I too would feel like I had to be the perfect VS model with brains and class and smarts and never age and the list goes on and on.

There are decent enough looking guys out there getting very pretty girls. Some of those guys are short, some are even bald (gasp!) but they have good looks and are doing ok.

You don't have to be perfect Dave. You need to get over this.

You are your own barrier to all of this and you know it. You're obsessing and paralyzing yourself in the process.

 

[JonnyX]

I'm cool with a 6-7/10 face if the body is fantastic. I'm not that picky on the face, I mostly want a woman with a really hot body

Keep in mind I look much better in real life than pics so 7-7.5/10 sounds right on the money in terms of just face.

I recently trimmed the beard down to more like stubble which makes me look younger and more white

I would agree the trimmed beard looks better. You have what I would describe as a "masculine ugly" face. That is to say, I believe male beauty can be characterized along two axes:

- Masculine vs feminine
- Pretty vs ugly

You in no way look feminine - you have very masculine facial traits. But you also lack "pretty" traits.

Jason Statham would be another example of "masculine ugly". Not pretty in the slightest, but very masculine, so still has appeal.

Whereas guys like Chris Hemsworth, Kurt Cobain, or Brad Pitt might be "pretty masculine" - many people would easily call them beautiful, but they still look masculine.

Bieber in his youth would be "pretty feminine" - basically a girly boy.

You will have some appeal with that type of "ugly masculine" face, as does Jason Statham, but not as broad appeal as a Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth type.

It is absolutely my belief that your appearance will dictate 70%+ of the success or failure you will get with women. You have to understand your appearance WILL limit you in some ways and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

[guru1000]

Yes, even 9s play the "game" hard with male 9s simply because of their plethora of options. So if you want easy prey Dave you are going to need to find 5s and maybe 6s.

If you want better looking women, which you do because a rocking bod on a girl brings her to an 8 even with an average face, you will have to put yourself out there and play the numbers game ... and face multitudes of rejection

Your current strategy is a fail.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I think you have a self-pity problem [continual 'woe is me' threads]. And then you need to escape from your misery by compulsively masturbating multiple times a day. You seemed obsessed with outward perfection, but your inner life looks like a mess. Just my 2 cents worth.... you can always turn things around, but you first need to face your problems squarely.

 

[bigdave17]

Dave, you are preceiving women to be that demanding because of the standards you place on what you are looking for.

If I was single and wanted a man between 6 - 6'5, low body fat lean muscles full head of dark hair even facial hair, medium amount of body hair in all the right places looks good in anything classy slow to wrinkle great personality intelligence classy but fun smart but funny good career but not a workaholic good potential parent etc etc

I have everything you described (except I'm 5'10 instead of 6). Why do I not have decent looking women my age with no kids who show interest in me?

Everything

low body fat (now I mean, I know I look fat in those pics)
muscles
full head of dark hair
perfect facial hair
medium amount of trimmed body hair
I have crazy aging genetics. My parents look 20 years older than their age and so does my uncle. I'll look 40 at 60
love to have fun/not uptight at all
intelligent
classy
make 200K but only work 48-50 hours with a week with a very short drive
absolutely love kids and I will be an excellent father and husband
huge family/friends values


this is all honest evaluation of myself. I'm not being ****y here

 

[bigdave17]

If you want better looking women, which you do because a rocking bod on a girl brings her to an 8 even with an average face

why is this?

someone explain this to me

I'm a 7.5 in the face. The female version of my body (I have very wide shoulders with a super narrow waist, with good muscle mass and low body fat percentage. The female version of me would be huge ass and tits with nice muscular legs and a super narrow waist) would be close to 9 or 10/10

so I'm a 7.5 face with a 9/10 body but that's considered garbage for online dating because I don't have that classically perfect all white 10/10 face.

yet a woman with a 6/10 face and 9/10 body is considered absolute gold. Why?

 

[bigdave17]

I would agree the trimmed beard looks better. You have what I would describe as a "masculine ugly" face. That is to say, I believe male beauty can be characterized along two axes:

- Masculine vs feminine
- Pretty vs ugly

You in no way look feminine - you have very masculine facial traits. But you also lack "pretty" traits.

Jason Statham would be another example of "masculine ugly". Not pretty in the slightest, but very masculine, so still has appeal.

Whereas guys like Chris Hemsworth, Kurt Cobain, or Brad Pitt might be "pretty masculine" - many people would easily call them beautiful, but they still look masculine.

Bieber in his youth would be "pretty feminine" - basically a girly boy.

You will have some appeal with that type of "ugly masculine" face, as does Jason Statham, but not as broad appeal as a Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth type.

It is absolutely my belief that your appearance will dictate 70%+ of the success or failure you will get with women. You have to understand your appearance WILL limit you in some ways and there is nothing you can do about it.

My face looks more "pretty" in real life. I have great eyes, curly full eyelashes, very full lips and a great skin tone

I feel like I have a happy medium blend of super masculine facial features and some pretty boy traits. I'm not anywhere near Chris Hemsworth, which is why I rate myself about a 7 or maybe 7.5/10

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

My face looks more "pretty" in real life. I have great eyes, curly full eyelashes, very full lips and a great skin tone

I feel like I have a happy medium blend of super masculine facial features and some pretty boy traits. I'm not anywhere near Chris Hemsworth, which is why I rate myself about a 7 or maybe 7.5/10

You sound like a woman.

 

[JonnyX]

why is this?

someone explain this to me

I'm a 7.5 in the face. The female version of my body (I have very wide shoulders with a super narrow waist, with good muscle mass and low body fat percentage. The female version of me would be huge ass and tits with nice muscular legs and a super narrow waist) would be close to 9 or 10/10

so I'm a 7.5 face with a 9/10 body but that's considered garbage for online dating because I don't have that classically perfect all white 10/10 face.

yet a woman with a 6/10 face and 9/10 body is considered absolute gold. Why?

This is a scientific fact of gender preferences. I could reference everything I say following this because it all comes from scientific research, not my own opinion.

- Men on average only impose a racial penalty on black girls. We treat women otherwise equally regardless of their races.
- Women have very strict racial preferences either for their own race (black women) or for white men (Asian and white women). Hispanic women fall between these two positions.
- Men care more about women being thin than anything else - we are not as picky about facial structures, and as along as a girl is thin we generally can find them attractive.
- Women care more about height and overall physical mass in terms of body judgment. You can't change your height, so once you've maxed out your mass/build, you can do no more here.

Any thin woman will have hundreds to thousands of Tinder or online matches within minutes of making an account.

You really need to try to accept the world as it is instead of thinking you can change it by your own sheer will or defiance. Nothing will change. This is life.

And I still put you in the same class as Jason Statham by my own categorization system. Masculine, but not pretty. You are welcome to disagree. But what you will learn about your looks is it doesn't matter what you think. It matters what other people think.

Most of my life I thought my face/height/appearance was just fine. I didn't think it mattered. You can think you're the most beautiful person in the world. But that doesn't stop someone else for rejecting you if they disagree.

 

[guru1000]

why is this?

someone explain this to me

I'm a 7.5 in the face. The female version of my body (I have very wide shoulders with a super narrow waist, with good muscle mass and low body fat percentage. The female version of me would be huge ass and tits with nice muscular legs and a super narrow waist) would be close to 9 or 10/10

so I'm a 7.5 face with a 9/10 body but that's considered garbage for online dating because I don't have that classically perfect all white 10/10 face.

yet a woman with a 6/10 face and 9/10 body is considered absolute gold. Why?

You just had a poster opine a 6 face. Others have said the same. I opined more, but that's just my opinion.

Your physique is about a 6-7. A lean, proportional physique at 8-10%bf like a cover fitness model would be a 9 physique. So you are in 6-7 range looking for an 8. The pictures of the girls that you seek are 8s-9s.

There is an SMV differential. Doesn't mean, it's not possible, but you should recognize what you are operating with and proceed accordingly.

Plenty of guys I know in the 6-7 range getting 8s and 9s, but they are putting themselves out there. You aren't.

 

[bigdave17]

This is a scientific fact of gender preferences. I could reference everything I say following this because it all comes from scientific research, not my own opinion.

- Men on average only impose a racial penalty on black girls. We treat women otherwise equally regardless of their races.
- Women have very strict racial preferences either for their own race (black women) or for white men (Asian and white women). Hispanic women fall between these two positions.
- Men care more about women being thin than anything else - we are not as picky about facial structures, and as along as a girl is thin we generally can find them attractive.
- Women care more about height and overall physical mass in terms of body judgment. You can't change your height, so once you've maxed out your mass/build, you can do no more here.

Any thin woman will have hundreds to thousands of Tinder or online matches within minutes of making an account.

You really need to try to accept the world as it is instead of thinking you can change it by your own sheer will or defiance. Nothing will change. This is life.

but I'm going for Spanish and Middle eastern women who don't show any negative opinion or perception for men who look like me (considering I look like a cross between the 2)


and who said men only care about women being thin? I don't like thin women at all. I want someone with a bodytype like this (I know her face is a 9/10. I don't need anybody nearly that cute)

 

[bigdave17]

You just had a poster opine a 6 face. Others have said the same. I opined more, but that's just my opinion.

Your physique is about a 6-7. A lean, proportional physique at 8-10%bf like a cover fitness model would be a 9 physique. So you are in 6-7 range looking for an 8. The pictures of the girls that you seek are 8s-9s.

There is an SMV differential. Doesn't mean, it's not possible, but you should recognize what you are operating with and proceed accordingly.

Plenty of guys I know in the 6-7 range getting 8s and 9s, but they are putting themselves out there. You aren't.

I'm around 12% BF right now - I'm about 15-19 lbs leaner than that pic now

I'm not really far removed from your idea of a 9/10 physique and nobody can tell that in street clothes anyways. I get mad mad compliments for my physique...especially with how crazy narrow my waist is nowadays. I'm like a legit 30 inch waist with 56 inch shoulders and I'm very proportional otherwise

 

[sazc]

This will never stop with dave. You give him reasons why his approach isn't working and his reply is always "why not?" You explain again " why not" and he will tell you that doesn't make sense because he's perfect"

This show will never end, but he's perfected his attention seeking!

Imagine being his girlfriend, or even sometime he's just casually dating. It would be a non stop merry go round of him negating everything you discuss, both topics that are miniscule and topics that matter. It would always be "the Dave show"

No fvking way, that's too volitale and dramatic. No chick would put up with that

 

[bigdave17]

oh and I look about a 5 or a 6 in pics. I'm about a 7 to 7.5 face wise in real life

I've always said this, I simply do not look good in pictures, I never have

 

[guru1000]

oh and I look about a 5 or a 6 in pics. I'm about a 7 to 7.5 face wise in real life

I've always said this, I simply do not look good in pictures, I never have

Possible, but what do your IRL results with women show?

Look Dave, I'm not crushing your dream and stating that you cannot get an 8 or 9 (because that is what you are looking for despite your objections otherwise), but you will have to change your approach.

 

[bigdave17]

Possible, but what do your IRL results with women show?

Look Dave, I'm not crushing your dream and stating that you cannot get an 8 or 9 (because that is what you are looking for despite your objections otherwise), but you will have to change your approach.

How is a woman with a 6/10 face and 8/10 body an 8 or 9? Please explain this to me

 

[sazc]

oh and I look about a 5 or a 6 in pics. I'm about a 7 to 7.5 face wise in real life

I've always said this, I simply do not look good in pictures, I never have

SHUT UP ALREADY! You've legit stated this 20 times in this thread alone, and a thousand times since you joined less than a year ago.

you are a fvking WHINER! You'd drive any chick who gave you the time of day AWAY!