Looks don't matter for women when looking for LTR

[bigdave17]

Never said the rich man was lesser. That depends on the guy.

Some rich men are lesser genetically if they are ugly, short, fat, etc. Woman want to mate with good genetics as much as men do. But its often hard to get good genetics and commitment at the same time. After a certain age a lot of women focus more on commitment because their declining market VALUE makes a man with good genetics unlikely to be loyal.

So explain this to me then. I'm a man - when you judge me by my outward appearance - looks like he has both great resources and great genetics. I dress extremely extremely nice - about as nice as any straight man you will ever find, drive a $70,000 car plus I have all the traditional symbols of strong genetics - great complexion, a strong muscular build, great facial hair in terms of coverage, heavily masculine facial features with enough "pretty boy features" to where i don't look like a caveman.


Why do I not have tons of attractive late 20s women who want to settle down showing natural interest in me??

 

[btownbuck2012]

So explain this to me then. I'm a man - when you judge me by my outward appearance - looks like he has both great resources and great genetics. I dress extremely extremely nice - about as nice as any straight man you will ever find, drive a $70,000 car plus I have all the traditional symbols of strong genetics - great complexion, a strong muscular build, great facial hair in terms of coverage, heavily masculine facial features with enough "pretty boy features" to where i don't look like a caveman.


Why do I not have tons of attractive late 20s women who want to settle down showing natural interest in me??

Because none of that **** matters. What are your conversations like with women? You act like you're this perfect man but I guarantee you there is something you haven't touched upon or told us. You either are so incredibly awkward around women you want to f*ck that you scare them off or you are vastly underestimating how annoying/boring your personality is. That, OR you aren't actually making a move on that many women. How many women are you meeting each week? How many are you actively going after and getting rejected by? There is something there that you aren't telling us and I wish you god damn would already so we could get to the bottom of it. Drop you're ego dude and just tell us what it is already.

 

[bigdave17]

Because none of that **** matters. What are your conversations like with women? You act like you're this perfect man but I guarantee you there is something you haven't touched upon or told us. You either are so incredibly awkward around women you want to f*ck that you scare them off or you are vastly underestimating how annoying/boring your personality is. That, OR you aren't actually making a move on that many women. How many women are you meeting each week? How many are you actively going after and getting rejected by? There is something there that you aren't telling us and I wish you god damn would already so we could get to the bottom of it. Drop you're ego dude and just tell us what it is already.

I try to approach women here and there but my results are usually so horrible that I can't even get any traction going

I went to a DJ TIesto concert on Saturday and there was a cute Puerto Rican looking chick that I tried to engage in conversation but she wasn't having any of it - no interest at all. I was shocked too - Spanish people always say I'm extraordinarily handsome

 

[btownbuck2012]

I try to approach women here and there but my results are usually so horrible that I can't even get any traction going

There it is. You aren't meeting enough women. That's the problem. It's a numbers game and until you get enough guts to start talking to more women, out in public, online, through your social circle, etc. - you're going to keep having problems. Be honest with yourself and guys on this forum. Do you understand and are able to pick up on IOIs? Do you know how to escalate? How do you go about meeting a woman to showing interest to closing the deal? How are you after sex? How often do you text/call them? You've gotta start working on this sh*t and get real about the situation. You know you're not doing enough and until you do nothing will change.

 

[btownbuck2012]

I try to approach women here and there but my results are usually so horrible that I can't even get any traction going

I went to a DJ TIesto concert on Saturday and there was a cute Puerto Rican looking chick that I tried to engage in conversation but she wasn't having any of it - no interest at all. I was shocked too - Spanish people always say I'm extraordinarily handsome

OR she could have been sh*t testing you. Most attractive women take a few minutes to open up and start getting positive IOIs from. It's a subconscious screening tool they use to filter out weak men from guys who keep persisting. I saw the pic you posted earlier, you're not an ugly guy by any stretch of the imagination. You clearly aren't interacting with nearly enough women. And the ones you are, you CLEARLY aren't persisting and letting attraction build with them.

 

[bigdave17]

There it is. You aren't meeting enough women. That's the problem. It's a numbers game and until you get enough guts to start talking to more women, out in public, online, through your social circle, etc. - you're going to keep having problems. Be honest with yourself and guys on this forum. Do you understand and are able to pick up on IOIs? Do you know how to escalate? How do you go about meeting a woman to showing interest to closing the deal? How are you after sex? How often do you text/call them? You've gotta start working on this sh*t and get real about the situation. You know you're not doing enough and until you do nothing will change.

yes I am very good at picking up IOIs - very similar to buying signs in the car business. The problem is I only get them from women who are way below my league

the rest of your questions - I'm very good when I have a woman who is interested in me. I don't text too much, I never get needy or clingy whatsoever. I'm fantastic in bed - the few women I've had sex with raved and raved and raved about my oral abilities, the size of my penis, my endurance, etc... I'm great on actual dates - my "presentation" is excellent through and through.

Basically, imagine a bench player in a sport that's about as good as anybody on the team but doesn't get any real opportunities

 

[bigdave17]

OR she could have been sh*t testing you. Most attractive women take a few minutes to open up and start getting positive IOIs from. It's a subconscious screening tool they use to filter out weak men from guys who keep persisting. I saw the pic you posted earlier, you're not an ugly guy by any stretch of the imagination. You clearly aren't interacting with nearly enough women. And the ones you are, you CLEARLY aren't persisting and letting attraction build with them.

not an ugly guy lol. I look like an extraordinarily handsome Puerto Rican, maybe Greek or Middle Eastern dude. My build, fashion sense, etc... everything is right on the money. If I went to a gay bar, I would have about a million homos all over me instantly. My voice is deep, my mannerisms are very manly, etc...

persisting enough? bro are you kidding me? I'm not a stalker. If a chick doesn't want anything to do with me, I walk away. I'm not going to be a creeper or stalker. I hate making women feel uncomfortable and I hate feeling unwelcomed

 

[RangerMIke]

What women want, and what they settle for are two different things. You can survive on oatmeal.... but steak and lobster is better.

A chick that settles for a guy that is a good provider but does not make her wet will eventually morph into an epic b!tch. I could give you examples... but Jesus we all know this is true.

Chicks are attracted to looks, money and status. What keeps them with you is male strength characteristics of self-control, having options with other chicks, and your willingness to take chances.

Do not over complicates sh!t.

 

[Urbanyst]

So explain this to me then. I'm a man - when you judge me by my outward appearance - looks like he has both great resources and great genetics. I dress extremely extremely nice - about as nice as any straight man you will ever find, drive a $70,000 car plus I have all the traditional symbols of strong genetics - great complexion, a strong muscular build, great facial hair in terms of coverage, heavily masculine facial features with enough "pretty boy features" to where i don't look like a caveman.


Why do I not have tons of attractive late 20s women who want to settle down showing natural interest in me??

Because you can't be trusted. You are too attractive.

Women assume they won't be able to control you and you will cheat or leave them for someone hotter down the road. Her market VALUE is going down as you read this. Eventually your VALUE will exceed hers. Then she is f*cked.

 

[bigdave17]

Because you can't be trusted. You are too attractive.

Women assume they won't be able to control you and you will cheat or leave them for someone hotter down the road. Her market VALUE is going down as you read this. Eventually your VALUE will exceed hers. Then she is f*cked.

My value should be way higher than her now. The women I'm interested in haven't accomplished a fraction of what I have


but women are inherently deemed as much better than men in our society - which is why I can't get a girl who is even a good as looking as yet a tiny fraction as successful as I am to show interest in me

 

[Reykhel]

I personally like seeing really ugly guys punch well above their weight, in the same sort of way that I enjoyed seeing Leicester city win the premier league.

I don't like seeing good looking guys going out with bad looking women, because it's always a shame to witness ineptitude.

And occassionally, i view something truly shocking, like the other week when you had this white couple walking along with black kids. The lengths to which some guys are willing to undersell themselves is incomprehensible to me.

When i'm personally out with women, i tend to not get much reactions from other men. Moreso other women. And much much more than when i'm out alone.

Then the fairytail died and leicester sacked Claudio

 

[cityboy989]

I think they also want a guy who would stay loyal to them and look after their children.

No joke. I see this very often.

AKA a beta provider. Once they're done shacking up with bad boys who they're highly attracted to, but ultimately break their heart. Things TYPICALLY don't end well for beta provider (or captain save a ho) because while she enjoys the stability, she doesn't find him very attractive. Most of the time, women end up leaving/cheating on these men.

 

[cityboy989]

I would half agree with this. I don't think women necessarily WANT a dumpy looking beta male. Women are more attracted to a man's personality overall, but they also like hot guys just like men like hot women, this is a fact. Physical attraction does count.

But they may end up with a sloppy, un-kept man because:

1- They feel HB8+ "men" are more likely to cheat--which they are. I hear this from women a lot.
2- Their biological clock is ticking and they commit to the first male that shows enough interest and does enough of the right things (i.e. quintessential beta male) so they "settle down." The timing for the beta male was right.
3- Low self esteem, "This is all I deserve, can get, etc. etc."). Psycho, Cluster B, or just plain crazy chick talk.
4- Beta males will put up with bad behavior because they have many fewer options when it comes to dating. The woman chooses control over DJ/alpha.
5- The dumpy, ugly guy might be a 1%'er or an actual DJ as in the movie The Tao of Steve.

Personally, I'd rather be the hot male that women are "unsure" about than the safe-bet beta any day.

The interesting part is what happens once she (easily) locks down the desperate, unkempt beta provider. Does she suppress her natural, sexual desires forever and commit to him for the rest of her life? Or does she ultimately leave him/cheat on him? (even if she has children that he's taking care of.) I'm going with the later. Most chicks can't help it. Especially if they're under the age of 35 and have no problem seducing men.

 

[cityboy989]

Women care about VALUE.

The ugly guy with hot woman combination makes sense. A woman approaching the wall doesn't want a guy who can easily level up in a year or two. When they are both old farts years down the road, their value will even out since unlike her man, her VALUE is in steady descent until death. She wants that security of a loyal guy who will be there until SHE decides to leave (not if). A woman approaching the wall has already dated HOT guys and she knows their MO. No security in dating a hot guy and therefore, no VALUE at a certain point if security is the objective.

The ugly guy never has the upper hand though. He gets to impress people with his HOT partner, but he is basically her servant.. which is why she is with him lol.

Yup. Until she leaves him or cheats on him. If she's relatively young and has had a slvtty past, it's almost like a ticking time bomb of when she will discard him. Or push him aside, and possibly come back to him down the road once she has gotten railed by more attractive men. This is especially the case if she is unstable. Can't turn a ho into a housewife, and you can't expect a functional relationship with somebody who is dysfunctional. Borderlines CRAVE normalcy. It's like the light at the end of the tunnel for them. They crave it so badly because they're incapable of obtaining it. And then once they get that bland and unkempt beta provider who is willing to stick around, they ultimately sabotage the relationship.

 

[cityboy989]

Well when it comes to actual LTRs I've noticed that women are more likely to stick with men whom they can control. Applying the DJ principles to relationships is more likely to get a-lot of women leaving you because you have solid boundaries and a certain level of self respect that you won't compromise for anyone. It's been said millions of times on SS but with the amount of attention that women receive and the # of orbiters they have it's more likely she'll leave or even cheat on a high value man them be faithful and loyal to him. That's just what I've notice. Things you need to take into consideration when looking for an LTR is a. her parents. What's her Dad like. Does he run the show, does HER mother love and respect him and b. you really need to look at her character and what she values. Is she a crappy person? Does she believe in and value monogamy and loyalty? Looks is one aspect of the equation but there is a whole slew of other factors that play into relationships and why people, especially women, choose to date who they do.

A-lot of those dumpy or average looking guys are easily controllable. Women will date, f*ck and even marry guys whom they don't even like. Don't put much weight into couples you see walking around and assume looks don't mean anything or that they do. Too many other factors play into it.

What women want, and what they settle for are two different things. You can survive on oatmeal.... but steak and lobster is better.

A chick that settles for a guy that is a good provider but does not make her wet will eventually morph into an epic b!tch. I could give you examples... but Jesus we all know this is true.

Chicks are attracted to looks, money and status. What keeps them with you is male strength characteristics of self-control, having options with other chicks, and your willingness to take chances.

Do not over complicates sh!t.

That's if she's looking to LTR an alpha. Most of the time, they misconstrue alphas with a-holes and because they date so many a-holes, they think they need a "nice guy." When what they REALLY want/need is a TRUE alpha male...but at the same time, most true alphas wont commit to these types of women who have had a tumultuous dating/sexual past. So what is she left with? Mr. Beta Provider. But as you said, settling with an ugly beta provider will not go over well in the long run. She'll resent him and nag him to death. And probably dump him or cheat on him at some point. What are your examples? Im curious and would enjoy hearing.

 

[marmel75]

I have seen it too many times ; guys that are overweight, sloppy looking, dorky looking or just not handsome in the face with girlfriends, fiancé's, wives who are noticeably better looking.

I am no GQ model, but I give myself 7 to a 7.5....this one girl recently used me as a rebound. Both her ex and her current boyfriend are not what you call attractive looking guys and look.....I am the one who ends up the loser in the situation.

So......Always Remember...

Women DON'T think like men when it comes to attraction. Men want, youthful skin, a tight ass, perky tits and a pretty face. It's natural to think women want boyfriends and husbands that looks like Cristiano Ronaldo or Matthew McConaughey, WRONG!

NEVER think a girl is out of your league because you don't think you are handsome enough. Just look around you.

I have talked about this numerous times on here. Women are the same as men when first meeting(OLD) in that they are looks driven. However, once they get to know you they start liking other qualities and finding those attractive and even using them to justify an ugly nose being "unique" or their other imperfections as being "cute".

This is how those ugly guys end up with hot chicks...by being in their social circle growing up or by having known them for a while and being friendly with them(note NOT by asking them out and being friendzoned that is totally different).

Average guy who wants a hot chick? Your best bet is to find a social circle with hot chicks in it and just be a cool fun guy...over time their attraction will continue to build towards you...

And then once you show her how skilled you are in the bedroom(you ARE working on becoming an absolute stud there I hope), you are in like flint.

 

[Urbanyst]

My value should be way higher than her now. The women I'm interested in haven't accomplished a fraction of what I have


but women are inherently deemed as much better than men in our society - which is why I can't get a girl who is even a good as looking as yet a tiny fraction as successful as I am to show interest in me

A woman's VALUE doesn't come from her accomplishments or her bank account. It comes from her genetics and her behavior in a relationship.

A man's VALUE is more complex because men serve many more important purposes and functions in the world than women do.

 

[Masculinity]

I have seen it too many times ; guys that are overweight, sloppy looking, dorky looking or just not handsome in the face with girlfriends, fiancé's, wives who are noticeably better looking.

I am no GQ model, but I give myself 7 to a 7.5....this one girl recently used me as a rebound. Both her ex and her current boyfriend are not what you call attractive looking guys and look.....I am the one who ends up the loser in the situation.

So......Always Remember...

Women DON'T think like men when it comes to attraction. Men want, youthful skin, a tight ass, perky tits and a pretty face. It's natural to think women want boyfriends and husbands that looks like Cristiano Ronaldo or Matthew McConaughey, WRONG!

NEVER think a girl is out of your league because you don't think you are handsome enough. Just look around you.

Anyone who says looks don't matter is full of B.S.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Anyone who says looks don't matter is full of B.S.

Agreed.

But I'm sure we've all seen ugly guys with hot girls. It does happen.

 

[Red Legg]

I have seen it too many times ; guys that are overweight, sloppy looking, dorky looking or just not handsome in the face with girlfriends, fiancé's, wives who are noticeably better looking.

I am no GQ model, but I give myself 7 to a 7.5....this one girl recently used me as a rebound. Both her ex and her current boyfriend are not what you call attractive looking guys and look.....I am the one who ends up the loser in the situation.

So......Always Remember...

Women DON'T think like men when it comes to attraction. Men want, youthful skin, a tight ass, perky tits and a pretty face. It's natural to think women want boyfriends and husbands that looks like Cristiano Ronaldo or Matthew McConaughey, WRONG!

NEVER think a girl is out of your league because you don't think you are handsome enough. Just look around you.

HAHA ......I had hb 8's and hb 9's when I weiged 350 lbs....this post is ridiculous if you can't pull it's because your not manly enough...