Honestly, fvck all that marry a rich b1tch and flip the script and divorce rape her... we are living in the Times we are no use b1tchin about but be proactive lol my 2 cents but I ain't got no real money so I'm just talking right now lol
Plenty of choice? So you have loads of high income and high VALUE men chasing you and you're turning them down?I've said many times I am unlikely to remarry for the same reason cited by many men here...that being I have assets and those assets create income that is expected to pay for college & finish raising 3 kids. Once that is handled those assets are going to take care of my ex husband & I as we age. No way am I going to risk the financial welfare of 5 people by getting married. If I do ever remarry the prenup will be designed to protect those assets and the income stream they create from anyone outside me, my ex, and my kids. And I would grant a prospective spouse such an agreement to guard well his assets and income.
But really I don't see much point in marriage for myself right now. And granted I'm fortunate that I still have the luxury of plenty of choice at my age. LTR if the right man is in the picture? Sure.
Yes, I'd like to hear some case studies of the men BeExcellent dates, men she pretends are just better men overall than someone like myself. How old are they? Where do they work? How many kids? What is their body like?Plenty of choice? So you have loads of high income and high VALUE men chasing you and you're turning them down?
For some reason I find that very hard to believe lol.
As Stefan Molyneux pointed out, today's women are taught that they are perfect simply for being women. They used to be taught "You'll be old by around 22 and unless you want to be Old Maid you need to find a man and be devoted and then learn how to keep him happy by cooking, gardening, playing piano, massaging and adoring him". Now they just dye their hair blue and get tattoos and say "PATRIARCHY!" as men are forced to pay them via the welfare state and college tuition, free abortions etc....most of them are fat they really have no use... Let alone companionship, support, affection or else.
I'm telling you guys what @BeExcellent is saying is true. I know girls in their late 40's that look 10yrs younger than they are. They all have guys asking them out multiple times per week. Beauty is still in style, no matter what age! Some of you have drank too much Kool-Aid. ;-)Plenty of choice? So you have loads of high income and high VALUE men chasing you and you're turning them down?
For some reason I find that very hard to believe lol.
Then she hit menopause. And you'd prefer a 25 year old with the body of a 25 year old (who could have children). Women who can have children tend to appear hotter than women who are too old to have children.I'm telling you guys what @BeExcellent is saying is true. I know girls in their late 40's that look 10yrs younger than they are. They all have guys asking them out multiple times per week. Beauty is still in style, no matter what age! Some of you have drank too much Kool-Aid. ;-)
I dated a 47yo a while back that had a body on par with a smoking hot 25yo HB9. And better shaped than the pics I've seen on here. She could name her price even at that age.
Post pics to evidence your claim. Otherwise, fluff.I'm telling you guys what @BeExcellent is saying is true. I know girls in their late 40's that look 10yrs younger than they are. They all have guys asking them out multiple times per week. Beauty is still in style, no matter what age! Some of you have drank too much Kool-Aid. ;-)
I dated a 47yo a while back that had a body on par with a smoking hot 25yo HB9. And better shaped than the pics I've seen on here. She could name her price even at that age.
I've definitely noticed this. I've always thought the solution was for the older generations (ie. grandparents) to pass on their wisdom and remind them that their looks won't last forever and they need to choose wisely while they have the power. However with this single mother bull**** being promoted nowadays, that doesn't exist... it's a real shame.As Stefan Molyneux pointed out, today's women are taught that they are perfect simply for being women. They used to be taught "You'll be old by around 22 and unless you want to be Old Maid you need to find a man and be devoted and then learn how to keep him happy by cooking, gardening, playing piano, massaging and adoring him". Now they just dye their hair blue and get tattoos and say "PATRIARCHY!" as men are forced to pay them via the welfare state and college tuition, free abortions etc.
How do you figure, objectively? Not trying to argue or disagree. How do you measure the amount of "goodness" of women compared to the "goodness" of men.There are many more good men out there then women.
Good point - this is called Normalization. There are exactly as many good men as women. They are all in the same pool.How do you figure, objectively? Not trying to argue or disagree. How do you measure the amount of "goodness" of women compared to the "goodness" of men.
I am a home health physical therapist. Looking back over the last 6 years of patient's and families the majority consensus is that there are more good guys looking around and nothing but low end girls.How do you figure, objectively? Not trying to argue or disagree. How do you measure the amount of "goodness" of women compared to the "goodness" of men.
Like if you had two crates of apples, one red delicious and one granny smith, you could take some measurements and conclude that the granny smiths are "less valuable" than the red delicious.
How would you do so for "men" and "women" without referencing one's subjective view of the other?
If there WAS a data based (not needing to reference studies that "have been already proven") but to HAVE actual data mentally ready to use in actual arguments would be pretty cool.
It would be handy, for example, if one found oneself cornered by feminists at a party or something.
How do you measure a man?
How do you measure a woman?
Once you've got agreed upon standards, then you demonstrate statistically that men are less corrupt than women (for example).
Playing devils advocate, if I were a sloozy female, I would say women are sloozy because no men are good enough to be loyal to.I also have 3 sisters with a hundred girlfriends and maybe 7 that are honorable women.
Honorable, or genuine maybe. No one is perfect but most girls just go from one guy to the next to the next. They offer little in many ways but expect to be treated like a queen. When in fact they act like spoiled princesses that do nothing but take.Playing devils advocate, if I were a sloozy female, I would say women are sloozy because no men are good enough to be loyal to.
A guy would say women have too high expectations.
"honorable" in one situation may not be "pragmatic" in another situation.
What is an objective measurement of "honor" or "value" for both men and women that both men and women would agree to.
Honestly, I can't think of anything that can't easily be reframed by the other side.
OK. You asked. Do not accuse me of showing off but I don't need to pretend. This is the kind of abundance that a total package (hot, smart, sweet, sexy, successful, sh!t together) woman has. Also, this is long. Physically I have long full blonde hair, blue eyes, a well defined athletic build, wear a size 2 or 4 dress, have a pretty face without makeup, have supple skin, a full natural bust line and look like I'm in my mid 30s. I'm confident and alluring. My ex husband considers me a 9. At 48. But he's biased obviously. I think I'm a solid 8 across the board. When I was younger I was easily a 9.Yes, I'd like to hear some case studies of the men BeExcellent dates, men she pretends are just better men overall than someone like myself. How old are they? Where do they work? How many kids? What is their body like?
Sure.. they have guys asking them out multiple times per week. BUT are those high income and high VALUE men?I'm telling you guys what @BeExcellent is saying is true. I know girls in their late 40's that look 10yrs younger than they are. They all have guys asking them out multiple times per week. Beauty is still in style, no matter what age! Some of you have drank too much Kool-Aid. ;-)
I dated a 47yo a while back that had a body on par with a smoking hot 25yo HB9. And better shaped than the pics I've seen on here. She could name her price even at that age.
All these men have kids? Wow.OK. You asked. Do not accuse me of showing off but I don't need to pretend. This is the kind of abundance that a total package (hot, smart, sweet, sexy, successful, sh!t together) woman has. Also, this is long. Physically I have long full blonde hair, blue eyes, a well defined athletic build, wear a size 2 or 4 dress, have a pretty face without makeup, have supple skin, a full natural bust line and look like I'm in my mid 30s. I'm confident and alluring. My ex husband considers me a 9. At 48. But he's biased obviously. I think I'm a solid 8 across the board. When I was younger I was easily a 9.
Hollywood media professional (who I saw for 18 months): 52 y/o Height: 6'1", about 200 lbs. full head of wavy chestnut hair with some gray, hazel eyes; film editor who has worked on major Hollywood films and been in that business throughout his career, athletic body (surfer build/plays bastketball/lifts), very handsome; Jewish. Has 3 teen children (a point of major compatibility), self employed (another point of major compatibility). Lives in a 2M house. I don't know what he makes but his clients include internationally known media conglomerates. If I dropped names of movies or celebrities he's worked for and with they are all household names. He is not a household name, which I see as a blessing. Fame is annoying if you value privacy. Great kisser, not a great lover as far as I'm concerned. I think he was used to the insane BPD emotional roller coaster of his ex wife, and I'm much more emotionally stable than that. So we were not all that compatible as lovers.
Man I am dating currently for about 4 months - not exclusive at this time: 55 y/o Height: 5'11", 236 lbs. Nordic bone structure, with prominent brow and square jawline, deep set brown eyes. Ruggedly handsome. Stout build. Powerful upper body, a big guy, solid, athletic. Was drafted into the NHL system and played professionally but didn't want to move up through the under leagues so he stopped playing hockey and went into business for himself. Driven. Currently owns & runs an oilfield and industrial manufacturing firm that supports pipeline exploration and other applicable commercial endeavors. Makes roughly 1M per month. Owns several homes worth over a million each in US and internationally. Never married; no kids; at this point in his life does not want to deal with babies but wishes he had done the family thing. I like him but not yet certain I would get serious with him. He drinks more than I care for and can get saucy when he's been drinking. So jury still out on him for LTR. Good kisser. Good lover.
Man who jokes (only half kidding) that we will end up together: GM of a well known high end venue in Las Vegas; 48 y/o Height 5'9", 165 or 170 lbs. Northern Italian look with blue eyes, fine nose, and genius intelligence. Attractive. Build is like a soccer player, trim & well proportioned. Best people skills I've ever seen. Quick wit. Has many famous people in his contact list; makes about 350K annually. We dated 25 years ago and I was the "one who got away" (his words). He dates women half his age but has no interest in settling down with one of them...they are "diversional" only (according to him), lol. He has two children, one in college, the other in grade school. We have always gotten along famously and were friends as couples when we were both married to other people. Good kisser from what I recall; good lover.
Other recent dates or several:
Beverly Hills artist; 53 y/o height 5'8", stocky build, full dark hair, brown eyes, handsome. Was a home builder doing million dollar custom homes and commercial builds, recovering from a nasty divorce and so in process of rebuilding his income stream. Does custom furniture and high end remodeling while he gets back on his feet. Was making six figures, isn't at present but is determined to get back to his previous income stream. Starting to get traction in the art market. Has a grown son in his early 20s. Good kisser.
Financial planner; 54 y/o height 6'0" athletic build, full blonde hair, blue eyes, Scandinavian, handsome. Works for a major investment bank and has a multi-million dollar client book, earns about 400K annually. Two grown daughters; grandchildren. Have not kissed him.
Production company executive; 56 y/o height 5'9" trim build, blonde hair, blue eyes, attractive. Owns a multimedia production company in LA. Lives on "Billionaire's Beach" in Malibu. Makes millions a year, house is probably worth over 15M, conservatively. Has a grown son in his early 20s. Awkward kisser.
Resort GM of exclusive 4 star property; 57 y/o height 6'0", trim build, Italian, brown hair, brown eyes, handsome. Runs a well known exclusive resort that caters to high end & celebrity clientele. Two teen daughters. I don't know what he makes but I am sure it is in the six figure range somewhere around what I earn. I didn't like him. Kino attempts completely awkward, idea of kissing him was a turn off as the date progressed.
Physical therapist; 47 y/o height 6'1", trim athletic build (like less than 10% body fat). Makes around 100K. He's a great guy but does not have success thinking like the others. Very handsome. Never married, no kids. Good kisser, but he finds me somewhat intimidating, which is a turn off. He does like having me around when he's out with his posse. I'm easy on the eyes and easy to hang out with. His friends all like me.
Trial/Corporate attorney; 42 y/o height 5'10", surfer build, a little portly, but mostly fit. Attractive. Red hair, blue eyes. Makes mid range six figure income. Works in the entertainment industry doing various deals. Has a grade school daughter. Good kisser.
Plantiff's attorney; 51 y/o height 5'8", athletic build. Light brown hair, green eyes. Attractive. Makes about 2M annually. Principal in his own firm that has several offices in various locations. Has 2 teen children. I didn't like him. One date only. Horrible kisser.
Businessman; 65 y/o height 6'1", fit athletic build. Argentine. Dark brown hair, blue eyes, very handsome. In fact I have never seen a better looking man, more fit man at that age. He looked 45. I can't remember what business he is in but he has major international accounts and is based out of San Francisco. I assume a six or seven figure income. He has 3 grown children & grandchildren. As handsome as he was I couldn't see dating someone almost 20 years older than me who has grandkids when I've still got school age children of my own. One date only for that reason. Great kisser however. Imagine him to be a good lover, but I didn't find out.
There are numerous others who have asked me out that I did not find attractive so I have politely declined them. That group includes an exotic car dealer from Orange County, several other financial professionals, a commercial real estate developer and a physician or two. So yes, I have more choices than I can shake a stick at. And my ex husband would have me back in a heartbeat. He is both a great kisser and a great lover. His dating experience has showed him what he had and lost more than anything else by his own admission.
There are several things that should be noted. First I met all of these men except 1 in real life through social environments. I did meet the artist via OLD. Generally I have found OLD a complete waste of time and full of leg humpers, so I've opted mostly out of it.
1. Physical attractiveness/handsomeness is a given
2. Serious financial success is a given
3. Intelligence is a given
4. Leadership ability is a given
5. Grooming and personal style is on point
6. Once you get past all the "Given" things noted I look at who a man is, what he stands for, what he values, and I look at compatibility. If it gets to sex (which I do not give up quickly) I look for a good lover. The way a man kisses tells me everything I need to know. If he's a poor kisser, I'm out. Several of the one date men were either physically awkward or didn't know how to kiss. If a man does not know how to kiss a woman by the time he is in his 40s or 50s that is a larger issue than I'm prepared to tackle, no matter how handsome or how rich a man is.
7. If I'm not interested these type men do NOT waste their time chasing after me, nor do I waste time chasing after them. Everybody's time is valuable.
It's quite the paradigm shift from our grandmother's generation. Reality for them was 'solitary, nasty, brutish and short', and they did well to find a man to take care off them. Now women live in a technological bubble... there is no reality.. just fantasy.Good point - this is called Normalization. There are exactly as many good men as women. They are all in the same pool.
I think what @exhausted was pointing out was that women's standards are unrealistically high and this was proven in a study suggesting women want 3 standard deviations outside reality to be happy. Imagine a bowl of M&M's, and one of the M&M's says "I only want a blue M&M". But there are no blue M&M's in the bowl. In fact, there are no blue M&M's in any adjacent bowl (imagine a sea of bowls of M&M's). Even if you go 3 bowls in any one direction.
Women's standards have been inflated such that if you are in a sports stadium with 32,000 people (Fenway Park for example) - and if it were FULL OF MEN, then today's woman would be happy with EXACTLY ONE MAN. That's the guy who is rich enough, young enough, tall enough, good looking enough and loves them enough who they insist on finding. And she treats the other 31,999 men as if they are beneath her.
This is why [decent] parents instinctively worry about daughters more than sons.I am a home health physical therapist. Looking back over the last 6 years of patient's and families the majority consensus is that there are more good guys looking around and nothing but low end girls.
I come across hundreds of people. 30 visits a week, 3 new patients or more each week. Add in families and that is the impression.
It's one grandson after another looking for a good woman and cant find one.
Ive also been throw many grand daughters from patients that want them to meet a "good" man that "works" and all these girls are worthless.
I also have 3 sisters with a hundred girlfriends and maybe 7 that are honorable women.
Maybe I'm wrong.
This is what I get: parents and grandparents complaining or stating that their son or grandson just cant find a good girl its one spoiled worthless brat after another, OR its i have a daughter or grand daughter she could really benefit from meeting a good guy like you to get her on the right path because she makes one bad decision after another.This is why [decent] parents instinctively worry about daughters more than sons.