What is GAME exactly?

[bigneil]

This is a good point. James Bond has integrity... he is not trying to be something else. There is no split between his ego and the way in which that ego wants to 'represent' itself. It is easy to see this as he has himself been represented to us in fiction by an author.

If we want this kind of integrity for ourselves, we need to be the author of our own actions.

I must say, this is not an easy question to answer.

It's like defining love (which I now define as a phenomenon where two people both like the other more when the other likes them more).

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I must say, this is not an easy question to answer.

It's like defining love (which I now define as a phenomenon where two people both like the other more when the other likes them more).

Keeping with the theme of ego, I'd say love is when the walls of ego between two people have completely collapsed, whereby their subjectivities become utterly intertwined.

From this perspective, game would look something like toddlers playing in a sandpit.

If a man's aim is this, then ideally the physical would coincide with the emotional.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Imagine two scenarios:

1) A guy who spends his time learning valuable skills and stays off welfare while earning a lot of money and finds a girl who is confident he can support a family.
2) A guy who has no job and requires assistance but is really smooth and knows how to seduce women, but can't support a family.

Which would you rather be? The "beta provider" or the "player"?

One is a chump with a bored hooker for a wife. The other is a gigolo and a don juan. The red pill is not being a wage slave and average frustrated chump.

 

[ubercat]

The books made it clear Bond was never rich. In fact the villains often taunt him about his civil servant salary. I can't imagine Bond caring about his 501k he didn't expect to live that long.

 

[bigneil]

One is a chump with a bored hooker for a wife. The other is a gigolo and a don juan. The red pill is not being a wage slave and average frustrated chump.

The guy who earns half a million a year is a chump?

A hooker for a wife? That's redundant. A wife is the biggest hooker of all. No, this guy never gets married because that is the most expensive move he will ever make.

The guy with no job (WHO REQUIRES ASSISTANCE FROM THE "CHUMP" VIA WELFARE) and no marketable skills is a gigolo and a don juan?

YOU WISH.

And let's throw in the fact the "chump" can take the "gigolo" in a fight. Oh, that. The strength part. It turns out strong men earn more and vice versa.

You bums will stop at nothing to stroke yourselves off, which I suppose takes care of the issue in the end. Get a job.

Guys in your 20's, don't listen to these losers here who have no skills except tricking women by acting like guys with skills.

 

[Reykhel]

I've pointed out to friends before who game deny that they are "players", same as all of us.

Doing something as simple as holding off sending a message is gaming a woman.

Consider the basic "wait 2 days" rule after getting a number that is so mainstream that I've known it as long as I can remember. Everyone does.

That is simply a push (displaying to the girl you don't need her).

Then you get guys even here who will swear against things like initiating with women, due to these sorts of rules, rather than understand the actual dynamics of what is being done and why.

When that is grasped, you can use the underlying effect in an adept manner, rather than stick to formulaic rules. Starting to cast off the more rigid parts of game - which was only meant to give beginners a fighting chance, not meant to dictate lives.



Guys in their 20's should do whatever they like in that regard.

I'm of the opinion that men should only be concerned with looking after themselves. The issue of being a wage-slave or not is fairly moot in seducing women - this gives men more freedom. It also makes it something a bit absurd to obsess about on here.

"...starting to cast off the more rigid parts of game"

Yes, which are only meant to be really like training wheels......to get one interacting with women, to get one approaching women, to give
one awareness of what's going on in set, to clue one in to the social dynamics that are taking place...

What the money buys things guys don't seem to get, is that a lot of newcomers to the site or men in general who are not having
that much luck with women are coming with some basic human interaction questions:
"how do I approach" i.e. I see a girl and I would like to talk to her but I don't know how to say hello...
"what do I say after hello" i.e. ok so I managed to pluck up the courage to speak to approach a girl but what do I say now..
"how do I stop getting friend zoned" i.e. I'm too nice and she tells me I'm like a cute teddy bear, how do I break this rut

Now to imply that improving one's communication skills with women (and men) on a social level is using "tricks" or "pretending to be
high value" is disingenuous at best. One would have to question the motives here....(i.e. ha you are not high value like me, so you have to pretend to be high value. How pompous.)

I agree with the sentiment that we already are wired to date and mate and interact with women. But what has happened is societal changes have deprogrammed men to to speak. Political correctness, being raised by women, the fractured relationship with the father, a lack of male initiation rituals..........Game is simply reconnecting the natural wirings which we were already born with, but which have become obscured.

Advice such as "be high value and they will come" is very vague and will be interpreted in different ways. The newcomer becomes confused. Value is relative. What one perceives as value will differ from country to country, from culture to culture. Different value systems.

I'm of the opinion that men should only be concerned with looking after themselves. The issue of being a wage-slave or not is fairly moot in seducing women - this gives men more freedom. It also makes it something a bit absurd to obsess about on here.

Agreed. And a perfect example of different value systems. Each to their own but I applaud more those people who have managed to break free from the Matrix (society's wage slave/rate race) i.e. the global nomads who are still earning their cash while traveling or living in different exotic locations. Almost a semi retirement while one still has the looks and the stamina.

Different tastes, different value systems.

 

[Bible_Belt]

And let's throw in the fact the "chump" can take the "gigolo" in a fight. Oh, that. The strength part. It turns out strong men earn more and vice versa.

You bums will stop at nothing to stroke yourselves off, which I suppose takes care of the issue in the end. Get a job.

Guys in your 20's, don't listen to these losers here who have no skills except tricking women by acting like guys with skills.

What do you do, threaten to hit them with your wallet?

Go check out your local fight sport gym, any of them: boxing, kickboxing, mma, bjj, whatever. Most of the guys there will be young and poor, but all of them will be able to kick your ass while blindfolded.

Honestly, Neil, the way you throw money around in public, you're putting a big target on your back to unscrupulous people. You'd be the first person I'd pick out to mug. You're going to get conned into a back alley by some hooker, just to lead you to her real man, who will club you over the head and take your money. People like you need martial arts the most. Everything it would do for your personality is an added bonus.

 

[zekko]

I've always defined game as the way you interact with women, especially the way you attract them. I don't think there has to be any "trick" to it. You've heard the expression "beta game"? Everyone has game, it may be very weak, but everyone has their own approach.

Honestly, Neil, the way you throw money around in public, you're putting a big target on your back to unscrupulous people. You'd be the first person I'd pick out to mug.

Apparently you missed the post where he beat up five guys in a bar.

 

[bigneil]

Apparently you missed the post where he beat up five guys in a bar.

Actually, I tied four guys in a bar for about 10 minutes. They were the four biggest guy in that city. That was Saturday July 12, 1997. I'm older now, but bigger.

 

[bigneil]

I'm 6'5" 230 and 12 percent body fat.

You'd be the first person I'd pick out to mug.

Great idea. Make idle threats to preppers and marksmen who work in military weapons training, computer security systems and who have concealed carry permits valid in 40 states. Bring it on, you welfare queen. You'll be coming once they shut off your EBT cards anyway which is why I spent 10 years training for looters like you. You're lucky if anyone ever hears from you again.

 

[bigneil]

The issue of being a wage-slave or not is fairly moot in seducing women - this gives men more freedom. It also makes it something a bit absurd to obsess about on here.

You morons seem to confuse with earning $2000 a day with "being a wage slave".

And what is the alternative to having a good job?

 

[Tenacity]

I'm 6'5" 230 and 12 percent body fat.

Great idea. Make idle threats to preppers and marksmen who work in military weapons training, computer security systems and who have concealed carry permits valid in 40 states. Bring it on, you welfare queen. You'll be coming once they shut off your EBT cards anyway which is why I spent 10 years training for looters like you. You're lucky if anyone ever hears from you again.

Neil you make a good point. A lot of these guys brag about living off women and the fact that they are broke/poor as hell. I just don't understand how in the hell a guy could be comfortable in that situation?

I understand if you don't have Tenacity's ambition to work 60 hours plus a week to make 6 figures, but damn, how about work 30 - 40 hours a week and make at least $40,000 - $50,000 a year or something? Goodness.

 

[devilkingx2]

Neil you make a good point. A lot of these guys brag about living off women and the fact that they are broke/poor as hell. I just don't understand how in the hell a guy could be comfortable in that situation?

in the context of getting women, being able to profit off of the women you date instead of the other way around is a mark of the alpha, (buying your girl gifts vs. being bought gifts by your girl), actually doing it is a whole nother thing, but being able to do it means you're in good shape

in the context of lifestyle.... yeah I don't know why anyone would be proud of that unless they were lazy and their ambition was free time (or unless the girl is a millionaire and they hit the jackpot)

 

[Urbanyst]

I pick #2, having a family is a waste of money, having a job ****ing sucks (source: I have a job now and it sucks), being able to get lots of girls is really just icing on that cake imo.

but I'm weird like that, my answer is atypical, I'd imagine it's a grass is always greener kind of thing, people with girls and no money will pick #1, people with money and no girls will pick #2

Wait until you're in your late 40's and 50's. Then you'll be the guy with nothing AND no women because all those HOT women will be dating the younger version of you.

MONEY is important because of father time. Money is how a man fights time. Women cannot fight time at all, but men can fight it with money. Don't want money? Enjoy your youth while you can then. Its gonna be a world of HURT when you start aging. And you won't be getting laid either.

 

[devilkingx2]

Wait until you're in your late 40's and 50's. Then you'll be the guy with nothing AND no women because all those HOT women will be dating the younger version of you.

MONEY is important because of father time. Money is how a man fights time. Women cannot fight time at all, but men can fight it with money. Don't want money? Enjoy your youth while you can then. Its gonna be a world of HURT when you start aging. And you won't be getting laid either.

that... is an excellent point which I hadn't considered

 

[zekko]

Actually, I tied four guys in a bar for about 10 minutes. They were the four biggest guy in that city. That was Saturday July 12, 1997. I'm older now, but bigger.

My mistake, I thought it was five. Oh well, that's how legends are created. It's like the telephone game. The tale grows bigger in the telling.

I understand if you don't have Tenacity's ambition to work 60 hours plus a week to make 6 figures, but damn, how about work 30 - 40 hours a week and make at least $40,000 - $50,000 a year or something? Goodness.

I would do it if I had to, but I believe there is value in paying your own way. But I think you've hit on something when you talk about working 40 hours a week for $40,000 - that's what guys are wanting to avoid. They don't want to work hard to be mediocre.

The special snowflakes in this era don't want to be average. Look at this forum, it teaches that average = sh!t. It teaches that you have to be alpha, you have to be exceptional. Otherwise you're just another beta tool. The only thing is sometimes you have to go through average to be exceptional. I think there is honor in all work myself, but I was raised with a work ethic.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I'm 6'5" 230 and 12 percent body fat.

Great idea. Make idle threats to preppers and marksmen who work in military weapons training, computer security systems and who have concealed carry permits valid in 40 states. Bring it on, you welfare queen. You'll be coming once they shut off your EBT cards anyway which is why I spent 10 years training for looters like you. You're lucky if anyone ever hears from you again.

I graciously accept your challenge, my good friend. My trainer knows every fight promoter in the midwest. I will allow you to choose the rules we follow: boxing, kickboxing, mma, submission grappling - whatever you want. It will be a completely legal, state sanctioned event. What do you say?

 

[Konada]

My mistake, I thought it was five. Oh well, that's how legends are created. It's like the telephone game. The tale grows bigger in the telling.


I would do it if I had to, but I believe there is value in paying your own way. But I think you've hit on something when you talk about working 40 hours a week for $40,000 - that's what guys are wanting to avoid. They don't want to work hard to be mediocre.

The special snowflakes in this era don't want to be average. Look at this forum, it teaches that average = sh!t. It teaches that you have to be alpha, you have to be exceptional. Otherwise you're just another beta tool. The only thing is sometimes you have to go through average to be exceptional. I think there is honor in all work myself, but I was raised with a work ethic.

Different strokes for different folks. Personally I do not mind being average as long as I am living the life I want. Unfortunately being average in this era does not get me what I want. So yes, I have to be above-average in order to get my dream life, an means to an end rather than the end itself.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Game to me is self-awareness of women and maximizing your rate of closing the seduction deal. AKA, not ****ing it up with women you should be sleeping with.