What is GAME exactly?

[Urbanyst]

So there is a healthy debate on this forum about how much GAME matters for pulling HOT women compared to high value and MONEY.

I lean towards high value/money over game. But I see how game plays into female psychology to make you seem more attractive than you really are. When I think of GAME I think of a low value man using PUA tricks to come across like a high value man. Because a have value man doesn't really need game. Or does he? When you see Mel Gibson, Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt sh*t the bed, it makes you think again. Do these guys lack GAME? Or are women the problem?

But then.. maybe we don't all share the same definition of GAME to begin with. I'm curious to know what game means to all of you? What exactly is game?

 

[stovepipe]

IMO, most people have desires but few people actually want to put in the work to get those things. In the same manner, game, to me, is doing the work; the things women appear not to want which leads to giving them exactly what they desire.

There was a guy I met years ago who put in a lot of work trying to pick up women. He was good at it, always told me you gotta approach a lot and put it that work. It will get easier the more you do it, and you will end up saying the right things to unlock that meat garden. You can't complain about not getting women if you don't take the time to try, it's that simple. You get in what you put in.

 

[fastlife]

VALUE, in this context, is a LOGICAL measure of value. GAME is an EMOTIONAL measure of value.

Guys, being logical & hierarchically inclined, tend to base their self-worth on logical measures--past/present accomplishments, agency in a given environment, patterns of validation/devalidation. However, women are more emotional & selection-pressure dictates that they upset the status quo (drama) to see what genes rise to the top.

Women have to feel like you're high value, irrespective of logical measures. Game is communicating that feeling of high value, irrespective of logical measures. So, in guy world, you make $250k a year and I make $40k a year, you logically have higher value than I do. However, drop us both in a venue competing for the same girls, if I'm making a huge emotional impact, telling them I work at a fast food restaurant, and you're relying on the amount of money in your 401k, then I pull those girls 9 times out of 10. If I get you reacting to me ("Oh, wow, you look super successful--no wonder all these girls love you. You must work really, really hard."), and you start qualifying--telling me about all the things you did to get to where you are, then it feels to the girls like I must have higher value than you.

In a more cohesive, tribal setting, our values would have much less fluctuation. But we're entering new contexts constantly. So, regardless of the house we live in or the car we drive or the job we're on the way to, if I feel better about myself than you do (which influences our body language, tonality, etc.--subcommunications), on the subway, in the coffee shop, in the night club, those girls will perceive my value as being higher than yours.

Personally, I don't believe Game and High Value have to be mutually exclusive pursuits. But if I can only have one, I'll take Game every time.

 

[bigneil]

Playboy, player, game, gaming the system, mind games...

 

[bigneil]

Would you say James Bond has game? I don't think so. I think you would describe him as a gentleman, the man, a player, or a playboy. But saying he has game diminishes him. He doesn't need game if he has it all. Yes, he is a fictional character, but he is acting like the penultimate ladies man.

 

[Trump]

But then.. maybe we don't all share the same definition of GAME to begin with. I'm curious to know what game means to all of you? What exactly is game?

Making her fall in love with you using as little money and resources as possible.

Anyone can pull a girl flashing a lot of money. What's the point and where is the fun in that? If you can make a good looking girl fall in love without opening your wallet, you got Game.

 

[devilkingx2]

the game is any tricks or strategies you use to get the girl, if you're being straighforward or completely 100% natural (for yourself) then you're not using game.

walking up to a girl, saying hi, introducing yourself, making small talk then getting the number. there's no game there.

but if you're using strategies and little tricks like you're trying to move her or venue change, ask for a favor to test compliance, neg her if she seems arrogant/full of herself, disqualifying yourself so she doesn't think you're just another thirsty guy trying to get into her pants, etc. etc. those are all game.

game is most closely related to personality I'd say, it's the personality you display rather than however you'd come off naturally

game isn't necessary if you're rich and famous, handsome, tall and buff, etc. all you'd need to do is not mess up a sure thing, but for the 99% of us that aren't playing life on easy mode, game is what you'll rely on to get girls.

 

[bigneil]

Making her fall in love with you using as little money and resources as possible.

...by PRETENDING to be someone with money and resources.

And note, that is redundant. Money = resources. And what if another guy makes her fall in love with him faster using a little more money? Once a girl falls in love with him, the other guy is out.

Anyone can pull a girl flashing a lot of money.

Absolutely false. Go to Silicon Valley if you think guys with money all have women. A multi-millionaire proposed to my girlfriend in December (twice) and she said she never even considered it for a second (proving she is not with me for money btw).

Next, the concept of exchanging resources for sex is ubiquitous in the animal kingdom. It is marriage that is the unusual concept. And I love men who pretend getting married doesn't mean paying for it. Men are defined BY the resources they acquire. Look around. The strongest, most desirable men acquired the most stuff (these are the HOT rich guys like James Bond). You don't think girls like penthouses, beaches, vacations and boats? You might be happy in an apartment playing Nintendo, she will want a taller skyscraper if you build her one. Cities were built to please women. You can bet the term penthouse pet predates the 1969 magazine.

When they say looks don't matter, they mean looks don't matter if you acquire a lot of resources, not that you can be broke AND ugly and just use game.

Question:

What if one guy earns $100 a day and spends $10 a day (10%) and another guy earns $1000 a day and spends $20 a day (2%)? Which is the better man, the guy saving $90 a day and spending $10 on her, or the guy saving $980 a day and spending $20 on her?

It's as if guys without jobs are saying "No fair! You can't be allowed to use your money to an advantage, otherwise I'll have to admit money DOES mean something".

Time is money. Acquire enough skills that you can spend a little time and get a lot of money.

 

[bigneil]

So, In Dr No for example, there is a receptionist near the beginning of the movie that initially IOI's him. He notes it, and remembers it.

She later tries to seduce him. Basic female fare, isolate herself and act vulnerable.

He sh*t-tests her in a couple of ways (about a phone, and something about something else - can't remember). She clings in a way which confirms his suspicions that she is a shill.

He fvcks her, merely as a distraction whilst he waits for local police to arrive and arrest her .

She is so disgusted with how he has used her (outplayed her) that she spits on him like the sh*tlord he is.

Connery is the best Bond, in my view.

You wouldn't call this game?

No, it's not game. It's the real thing. Game is pretending you are the real thing. Bond is handsome, strong and rich. He was the Christian Grey for men. He's not cute and living with his mom. The cute guy living with his mom who is the janitor and seduces her later had game. So maybe I'm agreeing with Trump here after all.

 

[Suspens]

I lean towards high value/money over game.

That is because you probably look messed up and or you are too lazy to improve your looks and increase your attraction. Also, you are too lazy to challenge your perception, improve your communication and social skills, question your beliefs regarding society etc. That is game.

And just chill out about value already, you are not a high value guy, your behavior on these forums prove the opposite. Just a little self-hating beta with inferiority complex who is trying to boosts his confidence by posting about how rich he is, putting down fellow forum-goers etc. "Boy I need no game, I got money" lol.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Game is any conscious behavior or strategy to emulate naturally attractive male behavior.

For example, a naturally attractive guy has a lot of girls to deal with. So he naturally doesn't worry too much about any one text.

A guy with only one prospect tries to emulate this behavior, by not being so needy and outcome dependent, trying to consciously create the same result as the naturally attractive guy.

The overall idea is starting from absolute scratch, you can go from no-game chump to natural alpha.

Just like any other skill, learning goes (or can go if you're willing to put in the effort) four levels:

Unconscious incompetence

Conscious incompetence

Conscious competence

Unconscious competence


Any time you catch yourself thinking (how should I handle this situation) you are somewhere between conscious incompetence and conscious competence.

I'd say most sosuavers are between unconscious incompetence (swallowing red pill for first time, etc) and conscious incompetence (trying game and succeeding haphazardly).

 

[Trump]

Game is not "pretending you are handsome, strong, and rich".

Game is what's going on in the dynamics of a set.

Handsome, strong, and/or rich, are things which effect those dynamics.

They didn't effect Bond's set in Dr No which I explained above. That secretary would have seduced any agent in that position, and the agent could have been an AFC that would have got skinned by her.

The game is in the seducing, not in surface attributes.

100% Agree.

 

[bigneil]

You can't fake handsome, but you can act like someone who is handsome would act.

The game is in the seducing, not in surface attributes.

... Ok, but seducing is achieved via surface attributes...

By the time a woman sleeps with a man he must pass one hundred tests.

 

[devilkingx2]

... Ok, but seducing is achieved via surface attributes...

is a charming personality and good conversational skills counted as surface attributes?

 

[bigneil]

Imagine two scenarios:

1) A guy who spends his time learning valuable skills and stays off welfare while earning a lot of money and finds a girl who is confident he can support a family.
2) A guy who has no job and requires assistance but is really smooth and knows how to seduce women, but can't support a family.

Which would you rather be? The "beta provider" or the "player"?

 

[devilkingx2]

Imagine two scenarios:

1) A guy who spends his time learning valuable skills and stays off welfare while earning a lot of money and finds a girl who is confident he can support a family.
2) A guy who has no job and requires assistance but is really smooth and knows how to seduce women, but can't support a family.

Which would you rather be? The "beta provider" or the "player"?

I pick #2, having a family is a waste of money, having a job ****ing sucks (source: I have a job now and it sucks), being able to get lots of girls is really just icing on that cake imo.

but I'm weird like that, my answer is atypical, I'd imagine it's a grass is always greener kind of thing, people with girls and no money will pick #1, people with money and no girls will pick #2

 

[bigneil]

It's not just a family.

Right now, I'm 46. I have the best view out my window of my life. My refrigerator is stocked with Whole Foods to the point I had to take everything out and organize food like Tetris. I have enough money to survive 2 years without a job. I make enough to pay the monthly bills every 3 business days. I have a software product that could make Billions but at least keeps me employed.

And I'm just doing ok.

Just doing ok, having no debt, having income, having a chance, took 20 years of hard work. Get to work. Take mushrooms if you have to (it was on a mushroom trip 8/17/98 that I became enlightened, in much the same way Pete Townsend of The Who describes when he was 27 circa 1969. I worked my as-s off every day since).

When you get to be my age, trust me, you want to have skills that earn money (which gets women) instead of skills that earn women (that leave when you have no money). Ask me how I know. I was broke from age 18-42.

 

[bigneil]

PS - People with girls and money will pick #1. That's where being a software engineer helps, I understand the difference between AND and OR.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Would you say James Bond has game? I don't think so. I think you would describe him as a gentleman, the man, a player, or a playboy. But saying he has game diminishes him. He doesn't need game if he has it all. Yes, he is a fictional character, but he is acting like the penultimate ladies man.

This is a good point. James Bond has integrity... he is not trying to be something else. There is no split between his ego and the way in which that ego wants to 'represent' itself. It is easy to see this as he has himself been represented to us in fiction by an author.

If we want this kind of integrity for ourselves, we need to be the author of ourselves, and thus of our own actions.

 

[Reykhel]

That is because you probably look messed up and or you are too lazy to improve your looks and increase your attraction. Also, you are too lazy to challenge your perception, improve your communication and social skills, question your beliefs regarding society etc. That is game.

And just chill out about value already, you are not a high value guy, your behavior on these forums prove the opposite. Just a little self-hating beta with inferiority complex who is trying to boosts his confidence by posting about how rich he is, putting down fellow forum-goers etc. "Boy I need no game, I got money" lol.

Spot on accurate.

The passive aggressiveness in his threads are palpable and a dead give away of his inner workings.

Delusional thinking.