Every Woman Left On The Market Is Fvcked Up

[exhausted]

Yes but it is an uphill losing battle where you as a man must be prepared unequivocally to walk away. Most people (not just men) who accept unacceptable behavior (however it may be defined) do so gradually and in order not to "rock the boat". As a result they become too weak to walk away, so it's over.

The longer the duration the more unlikely recovering frame becomes.

If a man has slipped into weakness and supplication or leadership failure it is very hard to recover for a number of reasons including:

1. It erodes your own self esteem and leadership in the relationship in direct proportion to the duration of the matter.

2. It erodes the woman's respect entirely over time again in direct proportion to duration

3. It creates an unwanted relationship dynamic that gives rise to anger and resent on both sides: boss/subordinate; parent/child; teacher/student etc. with the man in the lesser role.

Once the relationship has devolved into an unhealthy dynamic over time the only thing that has any hope of working is empowerment and independent action where you are going to do "X" no matter the consequences. And you must do it over and over for a duration to establish a new dynamic.

But most men are by then too weak, numb, or depressed to take such consistent action so the woman (now fully in the lead role) must act.

That action is almost always a break up or divorce. Or I suppose cheating...(It never occurred to me to cheat so that option doesn't initially enter my mind - I edited to add).

This is why the LTR is the biggest sh1t test of all. To maintain a good LTR (only kind worth having) you must lead forever. This is why inner game is key. It must be WHO YOU ARE.

Just like the woman trying to entice a man cannot keep up a ruse forever (hiding her character flaws) nor can a weak man pose as a leader forever without his frame slipping. And thusly we arrive once again at self improvement to avoid the above results.

The reason why i cant find a quality woman to keep forever.
Every girl I have had ltr and str all think they run ****. I am very generous, genuine and caring but i run my own life, have been a single father for 17 years, put myself thro school while having my son and have a good job. I dont allow a woman to come in and boss me around, so i normally clash with women, its like they confuse my kindness for weakness. Women are truly terrible at being people, most of them anyway.
I told my ex wife 6 months into the marriage one time when we were having a discussion where nothing could be agreed upon that i was the man of the house and head of the family and we were going to go about this topic the way I had intended which would serve the family best. I said it genuinely yet with strength.
Boy she didnt like that. Divorced after a year. Haha.
Predators posing as a house pet.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This is a good romantic fantasy story.[/QUOTE]

These stories still exist, but I agree a large majority of males will be RAPED out of it. He will be baited into marriage, then as soon as she knows she has him, will stop desiring him sexually. Then she will blame him and start cheating on him with someone NEW who stirs her interest.

 

[TheFixer14]

A lot of us where just fcking and possibly catching feelings without thinking or analyzing the entire interaction. I think you need to go back to the basic male nature of getting pvssy and fvcking. Of course ensure it doesn't distract from the things that are important to you in life.

See, I thought I could do that. And I have that side of me. But that's not who I am. For a few years I'd just go to a club or bar and go for ONS. After a few I still felt the same. And I would get mad if the woman didn't return my call after the ONS.

While I am not the hopeless romantic I once was, I do want a true emotional connection. That just amplifies everything. When you are just fuvking it's basically like having a jerk off partner. I knew it was an issue when I started liking jerking off over sex.

Ideally some woman randomly enters my life and hits the mark on enough things and we hang out for a few months. That's the only thing that would get me to leave my current decision as I could see some value from it. I don't see any true value from just banging right now.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

See, I thought I could do that. And I have that side of me. But that's not who I am. For a few years I'd just go to a club or bar and go for ONS. After a few I still felt the same. And I would get mad if the woman didn't return my call after the ONS.

While I am not the hopeless romantic I once was, I do want a true emotional connection. That just amplifies everything. When you are just fuvking it's basically like having a jerk off partner. I knew it was an issue when I started liking jerking off over sex.

Ideally some woman randomly enters my life and hits the mark on enough things and we hang out for a few months. That's the only thing that would get me to leave my current decision as I could see some value from it. I don't see any true value from just banging right now.

You can still fvck and catch feelings. You need to narrow your pool down to people that would reciprocate and be good to you. When you get her don't over think it. I also think it will be good for the confidence to start with some plates and just stop fvcking them when she takes over. You should be able to fvck a lady really into you at least once a day unless she's on her period.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You can still fvck and catch feelings. You need to narrow your pool down to people that would reciprocate and be good to you. When you get her don't over think it. I also think it will be good for the confidence to start with some plates and just stop fvcking them when she takes over. You should be able to fvck a lady really into you at least once a day unless she's on her period.

I also agree when there are no feelings at all, it feels basically a little better than jagging off. When there is feelings and an open heart, its much more powerful.

 

[exhausted]

This is a good romantic fantasy story.

These stories still exist, but I agree a large majority of males will be RAPED out of it. He will be baited into marriage, then as soon as she knows she has him, will stop desiring him sexually. Then she will blame him and start cheating on him with someone NEW who stirs her interest.[/QUOTE]


Not if u set the frame that if that ever happens that dude is going to get smashed.
I boxed a bit, as in for 30 years of my 38 on earth, so my last ltr, of 3 years just ended, i was always very caring and loving but she saw me train and spar early on and was shocked at my other side i possess.
Its not the fact that some dude she barely cares about she cheats with gets hurt because girls are ****ty, but its about that dude she cheats with gets ruined and is tied to her forever and she has the stigma no dude wants to be around her as she is trouble he doesnt need.
In fact when we broke up i asked her if her brother was coming in as i had to get my kayak, i told her i always liked her brother and i dont want to hurt him if he wants to be a problem.
At this age i would never put myself in position for jail and throw my money away, but **** she doesnt know that instead she knows not to **** around in a situation like that because i have displayed an alpha frame when it comes to getting down, i dont **** around.
Same frame i had when i bought a ps4, exercise bike, new bed frame and bed, new car, tickets to atlantic city, tickets to west palm, she kinda had the same reaction each time of , "oh how much was that" and at times negative reaction (because she is using most her income to pay off bills) as if i am looked down upon for working hard and be responsible to have a great savings and almost like she was bothered she didnt habe a say in how i soent my money, id say its my money, i have plenty, i dont waste and you have no complaints of me spending it on u for dinner and activities and such.
My problem is that i have not met a girl in todays age that is submissive to an alpha therefore there is too much bickering and resentment on her part.

****ty female market.

 

[TheFixer14]

You can still fvck and catch feelings. You need to narrow your pool down to people that would reciprocate and be good to you. When you get her don't over think it. I also think it will be good for the confidence to start with some plates and just stop fvcking them when she takes over. You should be able to fvck a lady really into you at least once a day unless she's on her period.

Perhaps you are correct and it made me think for a second.

But keep in mind that I live in L.A. While I am in the entertainment industry and more successful than the average actor and filmmaker, I am still competing against A list actors, singers, athletes, and rich ass dudes. I dated a woman who fuvked two NFL players that I respect.

So the women out here got ultimate pick. It's not that you can't get a good woman or at least someone who is tolerable. But that pool is so tiny. I was dating a girl here almost three years ago and she dumped me for a dude who wasn't really much better off than me. But he had a car.

I know where you are coming from, but I went through that period much sooner.

Growing up, I was a very good looking teenager. Good looking and popular enough that I didn't really need any sort of game. I stood around looking shiny, and the women came to me. I went in and out of LTR's, and during that period, I noticed that women weren't what the whole of society portrayed them as. I also realized that LTR's really just weren't worth it.

Then I spent some of my 20's basically thinking what you are right now. That it's kind of pointless. A waste of my time and energy. I was mostly still existing within a woman's frame.

Wasn't until my late 20's that I started to read up on this stuff, make an actual effort, and started to understand the real value regarding sexuality.

Hell, banishing the white-knight is a tough thing to do. It's only in the last year that I've resolved to dump any woman that get's pregnant, for example.

Anyway, I've heard your opinions on women and dating. And if I were operating from that frame, I'd probably be mgtow too.

Maybe you will shift your mentality (even slightly) and go back into the scene finding a renewed enjoyment.

In high school I had a few girlfriends. But I was pretty over weight, not popular, and somewhat of an outcast. It wasn't until college that I hit the gym and got into shape that **** got a tiny bit easier. Combine that with leading "game" and suddenly I am a player.

The last few months I've gotten the most female attention that I've ever had. My body fat is also the lowest it's ever been. Coincidence? I think not.

I was never a white knight as women were never really nice to me as a whole growing up so I never put that aura on them. But it wasn't until early last year that I tore down some b.s that society feeds us about women. I also thank MGTOW for that.

I actually think my mindset will help me moving forward. Now I am truly at a take or leave it stage. I know that I am not going to do the things that I've done in the past like go to clubs, bars, and go for dates. But if I see a woman that I like and want to fvck her I am just going to be pretty frank about it. And if she is cool great. If not? Then I'll just smoke some bud.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Perhaps you are correct and it made me think for a second.

But keep in mind that I live in L.A. While I am in the entertainment industry and more successful than the average actor and filmmaker, I am still competing against A list actors, singers, athletes, and rich ass dudes. I dated a woman who fuvked two NFL players that I respect.

So the women out here got ultimate pick. It's not that you can't get a good woman or at least someone who is tolerable. But that pool is so tiny. I was dating a girl here almost three years ago and she dumped me for a dude who wasn't really much better off than me. But he had a car.


In high school I had a few girlfriends. But I was pretty over weight, not popular, and somewhat of an outcast. It wasn't until college that I hit the gym and got into shape that **** got a tiny bit easier. Combine that with leading "game" and suddenly I am a player.

The last few months I've gotten the most female attention that I've ever had. My body fat is also the lowest it's ever been. Coincidence? I think not.

I was never a white knight as women were never really nice to me as a whole growing up so I never put that aura on them. But it wasn't until early last year that I tore down some b.s that society feeds us about women. I also thank MGTOW for that.

I actually think my mindset will help me moving forward. Now I am truly at a take or leave it stage. I know that I am not going to do the things that I've done in the past like go to clubs, bars, and go for dates. But if I see a woman that I like and want to fvck her I am just going to be pretty frank about it. And if she is cool great. If not? Then I'll just smoke some bud.

If you still want the fantasy it's not going to be the "hot girl" that goes after the actors and atheletes. It will be one who is more of a nerd and wouldn't like someone like that, or one that has been with those and been burned enough that she thinks they are full of $hit and doesn't want that anymore.

But working in a pool that ultimately wants actors, rappers and atheletes you won't be too happy.

 

[TheFixer14]

If you still want the fantasy it's not going to be the "hot girl" that goes after the actors and atheletes. It will be one who is more of a nerd and wouldn't like someone like that, or one that has been with those and been burned enough that she thinks they are full of $hit and doesn't want that anymore.

But working in a pool that ultimately wants actors, rappers and atheletes you won't be too happy.

Nerdy women still want to be fuvked by Leonardo man. This is L.A.

That is the thing, it's the 80/20 rule. Only 20% of women are good enough to most women. So a typical cute nerdy woman still thinks that she can get that A list actor. And a cute girl could honestly at least fvck a movie star. It's not that hard to run into celebrities here.

And the lines between what's nerdy has blended. Zooey Deschanel is advertised as nerdy and she is pretty hot and mainstream.

And eventually I will be in that pool anyway if I continue on my current path. I've already started this year off with kinda a bang professionally. Which is why I don't want to **** around with women too much. Once I've reached a level of success that works for me, then I will go back to it.

 

[Poon King]

This thread has been excellent. This "Market" thread along with Poon King's current "Market" thread is sparking the honest, quality, REAL discussions that we need to be having around here that help guys (including myself) going forward.

I just wanted to quickly add that while my desire for an LTR is here, I'm still uncertain on marriage. The entire structure still makes no logical sense for me for a variety of reasons:

- Women are still unpredictable and can be completely uncompromising if they want to be.

- We still have a No Fault Divorce Amendment, which means the woman can leave at any time for any reason or for NO reason

- I've built my wealth over the last 10 years and have gotten into a great position to continue building great wealth going forward. I did this WITHOUT HER. But getting married puts all of this at risk with her potentially getting a slice without having helped me build a damn thing.

To be 100% honest, the only SERIOUS thing I am strongly considering is making a baby with a woman. That's pretty much the main serious thing and I know that without "marriage", this becomes a little shakey to manage, but I still haven't figured all of the chinks out of this yet.

But I just don't see how marriage makes any sense for me personally. Plus, in addition to all of the listings above, if I get married at 38, am I really planning on staying with this SAME WOMAN until I die at let's say 88? 50 years? Just her? I don't know about that, and that's not just the 33 year old Tenacity saying that, I just don't know about that at all, PERIOD.

But as far as LTRs go? Yes, I want to do committed relationships that let's say last on average of 6 months to 3 years in duration. You can pretty much get all of the benefits of a marriage, such as deeper connections, closer ties, support system, more sex, etc.........but if the relationship goes downhill, if one doesn't love the other anymore, THEN YOU BOTH LEAVE. She doesn't have a right to my assets.

When it comes to the kid, yes, I have the child support system but again that's still in relation specifically to THE KID. I want to take care of my KID, I do not want to take care of another Adult. And I fundamentally mean that, I DO NOT want to take care of a Woman.

Nice to see you finally waking up. There is hope for you after all.

You're putting the pieces together and starting to draw the right (logical) conclusions. You might actually win this game.

When it comes to making decisions.. here is the processing order:

1. Brain
2. Penis
3. Emotions

Never deviate from this order. Three branches of Government.

#1 is "the President" with veto power over the others. #2 (Supreme Court) and #3 (Congress) should never make a decision without the approval of #1. I mean NEVER.

 

[zekko]

A chronic game denier such as yourself needs to pop over to Chateau Heartiste and check out the "Science Validates Game" section.

Some people will post a scientific article, and use it to support their own conclusion, when in fact it is nowhere close to doing such a thing. I've never ready anyone who does this as much as Heartiste.

I just wanted to quickly add that while my desire for an LTR is here, I'm still uncertain on marriage.

Some here accuse me of being a shill for LTRs. Regardless of that, I would never recommend marriage. You shouldn't put your power into the hands of another person, or the government. People can change over the years. There are women who file for divorce after 50 years. Prenups do not necessarily hold up.

Some women will leave you if you don't marry them. So what? Women can always be replaced, and if you have an abundance mentality, this will not worry you.

I do think marriages are a good vehicle for starting your own family. It's unfortunate that the current social and political climate makes it too high a risk for most men. Feminism and the decline of morality has destroyed the nuclear family. It's a shame, but it is what it is.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Elaborate on this more please, because Taiyuu_Otoko said this same thing to me before, but when I asked him to elaborate on this he got ticked off and blocked me lol.

- As you know, the vast majority of the time, it's the man that initiates the communication with the woman. So when you say she will come to ME, what do you mean specifically? Does this mean I will be at a UFC event with a couple of folks sitting in 5th row, and she will walk up to me and say, "Tenacity, HERE I AM, the quality woman you have been seeking!"

- Or, are you meaning to say that if I continue to work on myself and try to link up with exclusive networks of people who are a part of particular exclusive "clubs", that I have a higher chance of finding the higher quality woman? IF this is what you mean, let me ask you a question based on my current status.

It's kind of like that old saying, "When the student is ready, the teacher appears".

In this case, when the man is ready, the class of women he deserves will appear. Going after bar skanks and non-exceptional women is nothing but dissipation and it stunts your growth as a man.

If there's anything I've learned here on SoSuave, it's that a man needs to simply work on his character, and become socially calibrated by constantly making small-talk with people throughout the day, while actually caring about the people you are speaking with.

Those two things alone are what is needed to become a man worthy of a classy woman.

Where are the tiny handful of classy women? They're married! They marry young because they're in high demand. That's why going for a widow can be a great route to take. Widows in this classification generally haven't been sleeping around. Often they've only ever been intimate with their late husband. That's far better than a pick off the carousel.

But I digress as is my custom. Decide what a man of class actually is, and become that man one tiny little step at a time. How does a man of class treat his body? How does he treat his work? Improve each facet of life day by day and you will see a better class of women "magically" appearing.

A woman can only fall in love with a man who she regards as superior to her. Ask yourself if you are superior to the class of woman you want.

The key to success in any and every endeavor in life it to take tiny, baby steps. In this way you avoid overwhelm and confusion.

In that vein, read the book "The One Thing". It helps men to identify what the very next step is in any endeavor.

You don't need to be a great man today. You only need to be ever so slightly better than you were yesterday. Everything else falls into place if you subscribe to that paradigm.

 

[Bible_Belt]

A woman can only fall in love with a man who she regards as superior to her.

That's why I like girls with low self-esteem. I'm always going to win that comparison in their minds.

 

[Poon King]

It's kind of like that old saying, "When the student is ready, the teacher appears".

In this case, when the man is ready, the class of women he deserves will appear. Going after bar skanks and non-exceptional women is nothing but dissipation and it stunts your growth as a man.

If there's anything I've learned here on SoSuave, it's that a man needs to simply work on his character, and become socially calibrated by constantly making small-talk with people throughout the day, while actually caring about the people you are speaking with.

Those two things alone are what is needed to become a man worthy of a classy woman.

Where are the tiny handful of classy women? They're married! They marry young because they're in high demand. That's why going for a widow can be a great route to take. Widows in this classification generally haven't been sleeping around. Often they've only ever been intimate with their late husband. That's far better than a pick off the carousel.

But I digress as is my custom. Decide what a man of class actually is, and become that man one tiny little step at a time. How does a man of class treat his body? How does he treat his work? Improve each facet of life day by day and you will see a better class of women "magically" appearing.

A woman can only fall in love with a man who she regards as superior to her. Ask yourself if you are superior to the class of woman you want.

The key to success in any and every endeavor in life it to take tiny, baby steps. In this way you avoid overwhelm and confusion.

In that vein, read the book "The One Thing". It helps men to identify what the very next step is in any endeavor.

You don't need to be a great man today. You only need to be ever so slightly better than you were yesterday. Everything else falls into place if you subscribe to that paradigm.

I agree that constant self-improvement is a must.

However.. today's world doesn't reward "class" the way it used to. Look at Donald Trump's campaign (and general behavior) and look at where he is now. He didn't get there with "class" he got there by using the system and everyone in it to HIS benefit. Those who thrive are those who best adapt to existing conditions. The bag of tricks that worked in 2007 might not work in 2017.

Many so called "classy women" are skilled manipulators.. using her "high class" as a way to elevate herself over you when it suits her. If you brand yourself as a "classy man" you are now a slave to that label. The minute you do or say anything "low class" you are opened to attack. Women have always used "public opinion" to their advantage since they generally rule what public opinion is these days. So becoming more "classy" and "caring" to attract women is in many ways.. playing their game instead of playing your own.

I say become a better man for power not for women.

 

[Atom Smasher]

How I define a "classy" woman:

• She takes complete responsibility for her words and actions without prompting
• She is respectful toward her man because she knows that is her role
• She considers herself a help to him in furthering his goals in life
• She has zero interest in TV, movies, etc.
• She has a strong faith
• She defers to a man's leadership and in fact craves it

A skilled manipulator is by definition a non-classy female. Any man worth his salt should be able to vet that out. One of the big challenges of the young man is that it is very difficult to do this vetting accurately. As you mature, your instincts develop to a degree that the young man can't even conceive of.

Women are ancillary in a man's life. I agree that a man should become a better man for power and not for women. A decent women is only one perk for a man who develops himself. To use my own woman as an example, she knows full well that I could leave her at any time and be just fine. I've told her that and she gets it. In other words, she knows that she is not my life.... she is only a part of it. And that's what an authentic woman wants. A man who makes a woman his main thing in life eventually becomes reviled by her for that very reason.

Women know what they are in relation to men, deep down on an instinctual level.

The question is, are you (any reader of this), as a man, able to draw her pure womanhood out of her? That means are you able to cause her societal pressures to fall by the wayside because her only desire is to submit to you?

 

[Tenacity]

In this case, when the man is ready, the class of women he deserves will appear.

Lord have mercy, what does this statement mean? I keep hearing this over and over, what does this mean??

- If there's NO women on the market, in my area, or very FEW in the market/area that fit what I deem quality, how is someone supposed to randomly appear if they don't exist?

- When you say they randomly appear, appear where?? Am I going to be sitting at an Detroit Pistons game and she will randomly come up to me and say "here I am"!?

Yes, I'm a little passionate but I'm not trying to be rude, I'm asking you to elaborate on this statement because I do not get it.

Going after bar skanks and non-exceptional women is nothing but dissipation and it stunts your growth as a man.

- So I need to continue working on myself and deny all "lower quality women"

- Then the super high quality woman will magically APPEAR one day

- Then I live happily ever after?

And what if this doesn't occur? What if it doesn't happen? I would have wasted my entire life WAITING for a chick to appear that 90% chance says she doesn't even exist Atom.

Where are the tiny handful of classy women? They're married! They marry young because they're in high demand.

Which means they are off the market Atom! So how is she supposed to randomly APPEAR to Tenacity if she's off the market?!

That's why going for a widow can be a great route to take. Widows in this classification generally haven't been sleeping around. Often they've only ever been intimate with their late husband. That's far better than a pick off the carousel.

This is coming from me personally, but I DO NOT consider divorced women nor widows to be high quality. I do not. She most likely already has kids and remember, a chick with another man's kids isn't high quality to me.

I agree that constant self-improvement is a must.

However.. today's world doesn't reward "class" the way it used to. Look at Donald Trump's campaign (and general behavior) and look at where he is now. He didn't get there with "class" he got there by using the system and everyone in it to HIS benefit. Those who thrive are those who best adapt to existing conditions. The bag of tricks that worked in 2007 might not work in 2017.

Many so called "classy women" are skilled manipulators.. using her "high class" as a way to elevate herself over you when it suits her. If you brand yourself as a "classy man" you are now a slave to that label. The minute you do or say anything "low class" you are opened to attack. Women have always used "public opinion" to their advantage since they generally rule what public opinion is these days. So becoming more "classy" and "caring" to attract women is in many ways.. playing their game instead of playing your own.

I say become a better man for power not for women.

I 100% agree with this.

 

[exhausted]

Some people will post a scientific article, and use it to support their own conclusion, when in fact it is nowhere close to doing such a thing. I've never ready anyone who does this as much as Heartiste.


Some here accuse me of being a shill for LTRs. Regardless of that, I would never recommend marriage. You shouldn't put your power into the hands of another person, or the government. People can change over the years. There are women who file for divorce after 50 years. Prenups do not necessarily hold up.

Some women will leave you if you don't marry them. So what? Women can always be replaced, and if you have an abundance mentality, this will not worry you.

I do think marriages are a good vehicle for starting your own family. It's unfortunate that the current social and political climate makes it too high a risk for most men. Feminism and the decline of morality has destroyed the nuclear family. It's a shame, but it is what it is.

my mom said this. I have 3 sisters and my parents had a wonderful marriage until my dad passed over 3 years ago.
that is what she said, these girls today have no morals and the feminist movement ruined the family.

 

[exhausted]

I agree that constant self-improvement is a must.

However.. today's world doesn't reward "class" the way it used to. Look at Donald Trump's campaign (and general behavior) and look at where he is now. He didn't get there with "class" he got there by using the system and everyone in it to HIS benefit. Those who thrive are those who best adapt to existing conditions. The bag of tricks that worked in 2007 might not work in 2017.

Many so called "classy women" are skilled manipulators.. using her "high class" as a way to elevate herself over you when it suits her. If you brand yourself as a "classy man" you are now a slave to that label. The minute you do or say anything "low class" you are opened to attack. Women have always used "public opinion" to their advantage since they generally rule what public opinion is these days. So becoming more "classy" and "caring" to attract women is in many ways.. playing their game instead of playing your own.

I say become a better man for power not for women.

I agree in life we should always be improving in every way possible.

However, what does it matter towards women when women are absolutely getting worse and fuching worse by the year.

 

[bigneil]

I agree in life we should always be improving in every way possible.

However, what does it matter towards women when women are absolutely getting worse and fuching worse by the year.

Not true. I have my best handful of women that I'm dating now at 46. Why are they better now? Because I improved enough that they like me now. As we improve, they become more interested and in effect they improve in their behavior toward you.

How much of a catch are you? Are you expecting her to be more of a catch but just like "you for you"?

 

[exhausted]

How I define a "classy" woman:

• She takes complete responsibility for her words and actions without prompting-never did
• She is respectful toward her man because she knows that is her role-bipolar and manic and would fly off the handle screaming, calling me names or talking horribly to me
• She considers herself a help to him in furthering his goals in life-the opposite of help
• She has zero interest in TV, movies, etc.-she did a bit but not much
• She has a strong faith-only been going to church off and on for 6 months, wanted me to leave my church every other week and go with her to hers, i have been going to church 38/38 years of my life and enjoy my faith, very strong spiritually, she as a nonchurchgoer wanted me the church goer to miss for her..selfish
• She defers to a man's leadership and in fact craves it-she did refer to me for a lot, finances, handling bills and situations with her ex and kid, though anything else she wanted to run **** and be the boss, nope , conflicted with me

A skilled manipulator is by definition a non-classy female. Any man worth his salt should be able to vet that out. One of the big challenges of the young man is that it is very difficult to do this vetting accurately. As you mature, your instincts develop to a degree that the young man can't even conceive of.

Women are ancillary in a man's life. I agree that a man should become a better man for power and not for women. A decent women is only one perk for a man who develops himself. To use my own woman as an example, she knows full well that I could leave her at any time and be just fine. I've told her that and she gets it. In other words, she knows that she is not my life.... she is only a part of it. And that's what an authentic woman wants. A man who makes a woman his main thing in life eventually becomes reviled by her for that very reason.

Women know what they are in relation to men, deep down on an instinctual level.-not todays women, they think they are the boss and everything revolves around them, their selfishness is unfathomable.

The question is, are you (any reader of this), as a man, able to draw her pure womanhood out of her? That means are you able to cause her societal pressures to fall by the wayside because her only desire is to submit to you?