Why beta males cling to Disney fairy tale LTR's

[RangerMIke]

Okay, now here's my question. I can name 20 women off the top of my head from within my family, associates, and social circle that I personally KNOW......who are in relationships with men who are locked up in prison. These men aren't famous, they aren't rich, they don't own any businesses, they don't have any underground businesses, they have NOTHING. And these women are loyal to these men while they are locked up in prison.

If women are always looking for the next best option, then when those men go off to prison, why don't they leave? Your theory cannot stand correct based on these experiences.

Read the book "Women Who Love Men Who Kill", plenty of studies have been done on this phenomena, and in almost every case the woman is in some way damaged. Typical it stems from fear of men and the fact that since the man is in prison... she is in control. You mentioned 20 women who do this, but I can tell you that the divorce rate for men in prison is over 80%. So for every crazy chick that digs dudes in prison there are thousands who leave their men when they are locked up. When I talk about women I am talking about the typical, sane women.

Then Mike.....based on your theory....why in the hell do you enter into a relationship with women in the first place? Why not just date escorts, or solely keep women in a non-relationship facility on a fvck buddy basis only? If this is your theory, then women are far too much of a damn hassle so why even fvcking bother?

I don't do relationships... I date and have fun. I do not et fullfillment from women, I get that from my businesses and Women who are okay with this stay around for awhile, but they eventually drift off to dudes will to commit to them. One woman I really liked broke it off with me a year ago, that was the closes I came to agreeing to some kind of relationship... but I stuck to my principles and refused a commitment... she immediately started dating a guy she got serious with. I know him, when I tell you he was a cross between Superman and a Greek god, I am not exaggerating. In the year that they have started dating, she' put on weight, and so has he... he changed his career and is doing something now that he fvcking hates. He went from a good looking confident happy guy, to the 'relationship dude'. Now guess what... I'm starting to hear from Becky again.....

You can not make sh!t like this up. This is what women do IF YOU LET THEM. You will commit to a relationship and then the women proceeds to turn you into something that she is no longer attracted to. This is because women really have no idea what they really want. They think they want a man that will commit to them, do things for them, kiss their butt, but that is not what they are attracted to. The key to winning a woman over is to be the very best man you can be and not give a flying fvck about what she wants. Ultimately this will always work out best for you, because women are not genetically wired for loyalty. Understanding what women really are is key to a man's happiness.

This really isn't MY theory, this is backed up with countless examples. Are you telling me that you have never seen or dated a girl that after you break up, within a couple of days, she's fvcking someone else. When men fall out of relationships, we spiral into depression, the suicide rate for recently divorced men is staggeringly high. Women just get into the next car. In fact that car analogy is pretty good. The women, men are like cars... they get a new car and they drive around showing it off, but since women do not know how to take care of a car, she runs it into the ground until she does't like it anymore, then she just goes out and gets a new car. Women who can not get a new car starts to HATE the car she has, abusing it even more and more, until it just gets abandoned on the side of the road. The key to a man's happiness us not to let the women run you into the ground where you are left abandoned on the side of the road. You do this by not giving two fvcks about what she wants.

I love women, but I love them just the way they are... sure they are not loyal, but they are also very soft, smell good, forgiving and caring.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Read the book "Women Who Love Men Who Kill", plenty of studies have been done on this phenomena, and in almost every case the woman is in some way damaged. Typical it stems from fear of men and the fact that since the man is in prison... she is in control. You mentioned 20 women who do this, but I can tell you that the divorce rate for men in prison is over 80%. So for every crazy chick that digs dudes in prison there are thousands who leave their men when they are locked up. When I talk about women I am talking about the typical, sane women.



I don't do relationships... I date and have fun. I do not et fullfillment from women, I get that from my businesses and Women who are okay with this stay around for awhile, but they eventually drift off to dudes will to commit to them. One woman I really liked broke it off with me a year ago, that was the closes I came to agreeing to some kind of relationship... but I stuck to my principles and refused a commitment... she immediately started dating a guy she got serious with. I know him, when I tell you he was a cross between Superman and a Greek god, I am not exaggerating. In the year that they have started dating, she' put on weight, and so has he... he changed his career and is doing something now that he fvcking hates. He went from a good looking confident happy guy, to the 'relationship dude'. Now guess what... I'm starting to hear from Becky again.....

You can not make sh!t like this up. This is what women do IF YOU LET THEM. You will commit to a relationship and then the women proceeds to turn you into something that she is no longer attracted to. This is because women really have no idea what they really want. They think they want a man that will commit to them, do things for them, kiss their butt, but that is not what they are attracted to. The key to winning a woman over is to be the very best man you can be and not give a flying fvck about what she wants. Ultimately this will always work out best for you, because women are not genetically wired for loyalty. Understanding what women really are is key to a man's happiness.

This really isn't MY theory, this is backed up with countless examples. Are you telling me that you have never seen or dated a girl that after you break up, within a couple of days, she's fvcking someone else. When men fall out of relationships, we spiral into depression, the suicide rate for recently divorced men is staggeringly high. Women just get into the next car. In fact that car analogy is pretty good. The women, men are like cars... they get a new car and they drive around showing it off, but since women do not know how to take care of a car, she runs it into the ground until she does't like it anymore, then she just goes out and gets a new car. Women who can not get a new car starts to HATE the car she has, abusing it even more and more, until it just gets abandoned on the side of the road. The key to a man's happiness us not to let the women run you into the ground where you are left abandoned on the side of the road. You do this by not giving two fvcks about what she wants.

I love women, but I love them just the way they are... sure they are not loyal, but they are also very soft, smell good, forgiving and caring.

All of em aren't forgiving and caring.

The key point out of all this is relationship or not, take care of yourself first and never forget that.

 

[RangerMIke]

I dont know about forgiving and caring

Only if they like you.

 

[MrWiggles]

I dont know about forgiving and caring

and their vaginas are nice and warm

 

[Tenacity]

He doesn't. But that's not the point though. Pointing out hypocrisy on here is.

Great, let's look at some hypocrisy......

Getting upset at some random stranger on the internet calling you a beta phaggot bothers you.

- So do you call out BeTheChange, Deesade, and Taiyuu_Otoko on this same notion of being "too old to be bothered by internet dialogue" when they got so "emotional" during a debate that they announced they were putting me on some "ignore" list?

- Do you also call out Poon King on the same notion of being "too old to be bothered by internet dialogue" when he got "emotional" and starting called me all sorts of fag.gots because I disagreed with a thread he made, which started the entire "back and forth" between me and him?

- While you are at it, do you call out Guru who got so "emotional" during a debate on "thinking patterns", that he said he was going to sue me for everything I was worth?

Hey I'm just saying buddy, you don't want to be "hypocritical" and call Tenacity out on something that you aren't calling out these other guys on.....

So what you do in return is spam the thread trying to disprove everything everyone says when they agree with him because it makes you feel better when someone you dislike is proven wrong.

No, you see this is called the Discussion Forum, and on the Discussion forum you "discuss" threads that are created. It's on the Don Juan Tips section that you post your theory without expectation of discussion and debate. If you post on this section, then discussion, debate, disagreement, etc., should be expected.

Bro, you're on the internet. It's not even real life and you are doing this at 33 years old. Come on man.

I understand this is the internet and I understand that I'm 33 years old. Now, with that being said, I still disagree with the one dimensional theories being promoted in this thread and I've provided detailed explanations for my disagreement.

 

[Poon King]

No, you see this is called the Discussion Forum, and on the Discussion forum you "discuss" threads that are created. It's on the Don Juan Tips section that you post your theory without expectation of discussion and debate. If you post on this section, then discussion, debate, disagreement, etc., should be expected.

I understand this is the internet and I understand that I'm 33 years old. Now, with that being said, I still disagree with the one dimensional theories being promoted in this thread and I've provided detailed explanations for my disagreement.

Just because you lack the brainpower to understand our discussions.. that doesn't make them "one dimensional".

There are pages upon pages of detailed explanation from various posters in direct response to your questions and you still think 2+2 =5. Nothing can really help you at this point.

This is why I'm so quick to call hopeless men faggots and betas. A lot of men don't have the capacity to better themselves no matter how much insight is provided to them. Oh well...

 

[Poon King]

I'm interested to know how old some of you are.

Real talk here...I used to have the mindset of OP. I really did.

But as I've evolved in the dating world, I've come to realize that I don't want the shallow, meaningless, loveless lifestyle that comes with being this 'player' a lot of you try to emulate.

You're gonna turn 45 at some point. Then 50. And so on and so forth.

Then you'll wonder why you're single. No kids. You'll get sick one day and wonder why nobody is coming to the hospital to see you.

Then it'll hit you...

like a ton of bricks...

You went through life humping everything with a pretty face. Never bothered to build real connections with anyone. Pushed anyone away once they started to show they cared about you. Never shared your feelings with anyone, because websites like these teach you that opening up to a woman isn't manly enough. It's 'beta behavior.'

All the stuff expoused on this website has an expiration date.

It's not healthy to treat life, to treat human interaction, like a science experiment.

Becoming more ruled by FEAR as you age is not exactly "maturity" or "growth".

Lets keep it real.

Oh no! I'll get sick one day!.. Oh no! I'll be 50 one day!!

Pathetic..

 

[Poon King]

That's not fear. But hey...

If you want to live your life based on how page 16, section 2, paragraph 3 of the SoSuave 'How to be a Man" manual instructs you to, knock yourself out.

If you're looking to settle down because you're worried about aging and sickness that is fear.

No where did you say anything about the pleasure and fun of being in a relationship. No where did you talk about enjoying the company of a woman. No where did you say how it would enrich your life.

It was all.. what if I get sick? What if I get old? What if no one is there at the hospital? What if I don't have kids? As if a LTR is the only solution to these issues.

Fear, fear and more fear.

 

[guru1000]

You're gonna turn 45 at some point. Then 50. And so on and so forth.

Then you'll wonder why you're single. No kids. You'll get sick one day and wonder why nobody is coming to the hospital to see you.

Then it'll hit you...

like a ton of bricks...

You're in for quite the surprise if your happiness is founded on keeping another. As I stated ten years ago: A woman is a complement to your life, not the focus of it.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

- So do you call out BeTheChange, Deesade, and Taiyuu_Otoko on this same notion of being "too old to be bothered by internet dialogue" when they got so "emotional" during a debate that they announced they were putting me on some "ignore" list?

- Do you also call out Poon King on the same notion of being "too old to be bothered by internet dialogue" when he got "emotional" and starting called me all sorts of fag.gots because I disagreed with a thread he made, which started the entire "back and forth" between me and him?

- While you are at it, do you call out Guru who got so "emotional" during a debate on "thinking patterns", that he said he was going to sue me for everything I was worth?

Hey I'm just saying buddy, you don't want to be "hypocritical" and call Tenacity out on something that you aren't calling out these other guys on.....

I only read Poon King's and Guru's posts of the users you mentioned, and occasionally deesade. Unless one of their posts has a lot of likes (because there must be a golden nugget of wisdom in what they had posted). The thing is, there were SO many times I could have called you out but this is simply the first (maybe second) time. I don't feel like arguing with people all the time unless it gets to the point of borderline trolling or actual trolling. Guru does have some hypocrisy sometimes but only when he instigates, not when he tries to give advice. The reason why you cannot understand the advice he gives is because you have never truly felt the mindset he is talking about. You cannot empathize through words yet you are still emotional at the same time. That is the complete inversion of what you are supposed to be. The reason is because you have not developed your social skills until post-puberty, so they are sub-par relative to your male acquaintances. You cannot TRULY change your mindset after puberty is finished unless you take drugs and repeat incantations to yourself almost religiously (there's more stuff to it than that, but that's the gist of it). This is why you are unable to comprehend Guru's advice and why you now think PK is a phony after your feelings got hurt from him calling you out. The way you are, you can dish it out, but you cannot take it. That's why you cannot handle group roasting sessions as you mentioned a while ago.

All I'm saying is, be genuine and don't get your ego and feeling involved in here and contribute. Otherwise just go on youtube and argue with the folks in the comment section; you're just like them.

 

[CMNILS87]

Sure seems like lots of men are shying away from things for fear of what could potentially go wrong.


I never said anything about basing happiness on a woman. It just seems like the same old record around here, no matter how long of a break I take from the site.

If you want an eventual relationship, marriage, and family of your own, you are a 'beta f*ggot who's in for a rude awakening.'

Men's love is sacrificial. You give and give till there's nothing left. Until you find a girl deemed worthy by you to bear your children or even just a LTR. You shouldn't sacrifice your money or time. Regardless, all bets are off even when you do find a decent female.

Me.... kids definitely, maybe a mortgage together with a gal, but I will never marry now that I've taken the red pill. Too much collateral damage as I get older and make more money.

 

[Tenacity]

I only read Poon King's and Guru's posts of the users you mentioned, and occasionally deesade. Unless one of their posts has a lot of likes (because there must be a golden nugget of wisdom in what they had posted). The thing is, there were SO many times I could have called you out but this is simply the first (maybe second) time. I don't feel like arguing with people all the time unless it gets to the point of borderline trolling or actual trolling. Guru does have some hypocrisy sometimes but only when he instigates, not when he tries to give advice. The reason why you cannot understand the advice he gives is because you have never truly felt the mindset he is talking about. You cannot empathize through words yet you are still emotional at the same time. That is the complete inversion of what you are supposed to be. The reason is because you have not developed your social skills until post-puberty, so they are sub-par relative to your male acquaintances. You cannot TRULY change your mindset after puberty is finished unless you take drugs and repeat incantations to yourself almost religiously (there's more stuff to it than that, but that's the gist of it). This is why you are unable to comprehend Guru's advice and why you now think PK is a phony after your feelings got hurt from him calling you out. The way you are, you can dish it out, but you cannot take it. That's why you cannot handle group roasting sessions as you mentioned a while ago.

All I'm saying is, be genuine and don't get your ego and feeling involved in here and contribute. Otherwise just go on youtube and argue with the folks in the comment section; you're just like them.

Listen....I comprehend what Poon King is saying. I DISAGREE with what Poon King is saying. It was when I disagreed with what the idiot said he talked about beta fag.gots, yet you felt the need to "call me out" for being 30 plus and childish on the internet....but not him?

I really don't get what your beef is and I really don't get why some of you guys get so god damn PISSED off at "Tenacity" when he disagrees with you. Tenacity disagrees with you or debates a topic, and you guys want to:

- Bring up my issues
- Bring up my childhood
- Bring up my Past
- Bring up my age

This is a damn Discussion Board, not a Choir Stand. I mean you are literally pissed off at me ITDG because I'm debating/in disagreement with Poon King? Are you serious? Who the fvck died and left Poon King as Lord??

- He says shyt I agree with and says shyt I disagree with. I believe the guy is TOO one-dimensional, too extreme, and he talks about how ALPHA he is and hasn't shown any proof of it which if why I believe he comes off like a keyboard jockey/fraud.

- In return, Poon King believes I'm a beta fag.got, overly emotional, and spends ALL of my time dating trashing bytches.

To each their own.

But we shouldn't get into the act of trying to censor opinions on here. Let the alternative viewpoints ALL be put on the table and let the men reading decide what they want to take away and throw away. This fvcking one-dimensional, religious cult shyt needs to be done away with.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Listen....I comprehend what Poon King is saying. I DISAGREE with what Poon King is saying. It was when I disagreed with what the idiot said he talked about beta fag.gots, yet you felt the need to "call me out" for being 30 plus and childish on the internet....but not him?

I really don't get what your beef is and I really don't get why some of you guys get so god damn PISSED off at "Tenacity" when he disagrees with you. Tenacity disagrees with you or debates a topic, and you guys want to:

- Bring up my issues
- Bring up my childhood
- Bring up my Past
- Bring up my age

This is a damn Discussion Board, not a Choir Stand. I mean you are literally pissed off at me ITDG because I'm debating/in disagreement with Poon King? Are you serious? Who the fvck died and left Poon King as Lord??

- He says shyt I agree with and says shyt I disagree with. I believe the guy is TOO one-dimensional, too extreme, and he talks about how ALPHA he is and hasn't shown any proof of it which if why I believe he comes off like a keyboard jockey/fraud.

- In return, Poon King believes I'm a beta fag.got, overly emotional, and spends ALL of my time dating trashing bytches.

To each their own.

But we shouldn't get into the act of trying to censor opinions on here. Let the alternative viewpoints ALL be put on the table and let the men reading decide what they want to take away and throw away. This fvcking one-dimensional, religious cult shyt needs to be done away with.

You are projecting what you are feeling towards me (animosity) onto myself to rationalize that you dislike me because I am for whatever reason pissed off at you, when in reality it is a way of saving your EVER so precious ego from getting hurt because your logic is telling you that I am right. Come on, simple psychology here. Girls do this all the time. I'm just annoyed at you now though because all you do is argue with people and you never EVER give advice or offer valiable information. You are a leech to this site trying to destroy the valuable information and I'm getting sick of it.

PK never called himself alpha either. You are just speaking for him to further rationalize to yourself and to others all to make yourself feel better. Newsflash: no one cares. Trying to gain internet brownie points is pathetic and petty. Quit trying to post online to some internet forum that you called toxic if you truly believe it is toxic. If EVERYONE (not just on the forums) says that there's something wrong with you, then there is something wrong with you. Fix yourself.

 

[guru1000]

Tenacity, ironically, this thread has turned into a roast. The very thing that you despise the most ... you attract.

 

[El Payaso]

I'm interested to know how old some of you are.

Real talk here...I used to have the mindset of OP. I really did.

But as I've evolved in the dating world, I've come to realize that I don't want the shallow, meaningless, loveless lifestyle that comes with being this 'player' a lot of you try to emulate.

You're gonna turn 45 at some point. Then 50. And so on and so forth.

Then you'll wonder why you're single. No kids. You'll get sick one day and wonder why nobody is coming to the hospital to see you.

Then it'll hit you...

like a ton of bricks...

You went through life humping everything with a pretty face. Never bothered to build real connections with anyone. Pushed anyone away once they started to show they cared about you. Never shared your feelings with anyone, because websites like these teach you that opening up to a woman isn't manly enough. It's 'beta behavior.'

All the stuff expoused on this website has an expiration date.

It's not healthy to treat life, to treat human interaction, like a science experiment.

I know people married for 20 years with five kids who rarely call them or visit them on holidays. Some of them have partners who passed away and they ended up alone after many years of marriage.

Some of them ended up in nursing homes. Estranged or divorced or dead wife. Kids that live half way across the country or overseas. No one visits them.

Settling down and having kids does not guarantee you companionship in old age. One has to learn to be comfortable and happy alone without seeking external validation because ultimately, you come into this world alone and you will die alone.

 

[devilkingx2]

I'm interested to know how old some of you are.
Real talk here...I used to have the mindset of OP. I really did.
But as I've evolved in the dating world, I've come to realize that I don't want the shallow, meaningless, loveless lifestyle that comes with being this 'player' a lot of you try to emulate.
You're gonna turn 45 at some point. Then 50. And so on and so forth.
Then you'll wonder why you're single. No kids. You'll get sick one day and wonder why nobody is coming to the hospital to see you.
Then it'll hit you...
like a ton of bricks...

You went through life humping everything with a pretty face. Never bothered to build real connections with anyone. Pushed anyone away once they started to show they cared about you. Never shared your feelings with anyone, because websites like these teach you that opening up to a woman isn't manly enough. It's 'beta behavior.'

All the stuff expoused on this website has an expiration date.

It's not healthy to treat life, to treat human interaction, like a science experiment.

https://pics.onsizzle.com/Imgur-be46ea.png

 

[devilkingx2]

Well, with all due respect, either you don't get out much or you are flat out lying for the Sosuave/Manosphere cartoon audience that's watching.

I routinely run across educated women, who are HB7 and higher, smart, classy, well kept, etc......and she's hooked up with some stupid, bum, loser, dusty, THUG, with more felonies than I have degrees (and I have 4 degrees).

It's why I don't believe that women are always looking for the next best option, I have seen women like I just describe remain LOYAL to these piece of shyt dudes for YEARS. Having multiple of their kids, bailing him out of jail, paying his bills, putting his insurance in her name, buying him clothes, buying him food....I can go on and on and on.

I'm not making this shyt up.

like the ones on maury who work 2 jobs to feed their deadbeat boyfriend? they never come off as particularly smart to me

Because the women you see on those shows actually reflect the majority of women in today's dating market. Because I'm actually out here DATING a lot of women, I'm being exposed to the entire scope of the market as a whole. Not every woman is like this, you will never hear me say that, but the vast majority of women AND MEN for that matter today are completely fvcked up.

interesting, well i don't know where you go or what you do, but i do most of my approaching on college campuses or near them, as a result most of the girls i meet are like 18-25, and the city i live in is known for having not only a lot more women than men, but a lot more single women than single men, i've done a few dozen cold approaches in my day, and i can say with confidence that i haven't ever met a girl like the ones you're speaking of (even the ones who were black were just like all the white girls, sipping a latte while watching something on their ipad in the cafe).

however, to be fair, i have met guys who acted like thugs, but for the most part, they were just guys who did **** in school, smoked weed, listened to a lot of rap, and sagged their pants because they thought it was cool. the worst thing they'd do is get into a fist fight with someone they didn't like occassionally, they did pretty well with women sure, but that's a far cry from going to prison for multiple felonies or any of the other exagerated things you mentioned.

i had a neighbor who was a pretty cool guy, however he went to jail for a while for armed robbery(he needed heroin money), when he left he had a wife, when he got back he was single, so it's safe to say that not all women find the prison thing hot.

Well, let me tell you something. A lot of women run around talking about, "I need a man that can handle me", and I tell that bytch that I didn't sign up to be ZOO KEEPER. You are a grown a.ss adult, bytch you need to handle your self.

Plus with the way the domestic violence laws are today, while you are trying to "keep your woman in line" all it takes is a quick 9-11 dial and you will see very QUICK who is REALLY being kept in line.

i agree with this part wholeheartedly, i was merely pointing out that the type of woman who needs a lion tamer would probably end up with a thug or some other ******* who doesn't care about the risk of her calling 911, it explains at least some of the attractive college educated women you see dating thugs

 

[Tenacity]

You are projecting what you are feeling towards me (animosity) onto myself to rationalize that you dislike me because I am for whatever reason pissed off at you, when in reality it is a way of saving your EVER so precious ego from getting hurt because your logic is telling you that I am right. Come on, simple psychology here.

Lol, dude you are coming off like you are Poon King's bytch or something, is he fvcking you? I mean he does keep referring to the word "fag.got" a lot. I've never seen a grown a.ss man get this PISSED OFF that another grown a.ss man disagreed with another grown a.ss man.

I'm just annoyed at you now though because all you do is argue with people and you never EVER give advice or offer valiable information.

The vast majority of the content I put on here is giving other guys advice, get the fvck out of your feelings.

You are a leech to this site trying to destroy the valuable information and I'm getting sick of it.

Then ITDG here's what I want you to do, okay?

- Report me to the Moderators. If I get a PM from one of them giving me a "warning" or anything similar, then I will check my "behavior".

- After you do that, put me on the "Ignore List". Got it?

PK never called himself alpha either.

Lmaooo, now you know god damn well that's a lie.

Tenacity, ironically, this thread has turned into a roast. The very thing that you despise the most ... you attract.

Oh, that's what this is ? It looked to me like Tenacity's "Commentary" pissed off another one of these anonymous, keyboard jockey, internet, Alpha warriors during their high-fiving, hallelujahing, religious cult ceremonies.

 

[Tenacity]

i can say with confidence that i haven't ever met a girl like the ones you're speaking of (even the ones who were black were just like all the white girls, sipping a latte while watching something on their ipad in the cafe).

Well, here's the thing I'm not saying that 100% of black women only prefer thugs. What I'm saying is that there's an epidemic (at least amongst black women which I have a lot of experience with) where the decent women are hooking up and remaining loyal to men who are nowhere near ABOVE THEM in anyway....which is why I don't agree with any concept of hypergamy still being alive today.

Black women aren't the only ones doing this, white women are doing it too, but not to the extent that black women are doing it. The black community from a majority standpoint is a flat out matriarchy. The Poon King/Manosphere ALL OUT "be alpha" shyt will NOT work on the majority of black women because most of them have low self-esteem.

Some of the plates I'm spinning now are dark skinned black women for example and they routinely talk to me about their "issues" in relation to colorism. They feel as though being a dark skinned black woman makes them "less pretty" than lighter skinned black women.

But the thugs related situation I do believe comes back to the matriarchal situation of the black community, where black women deliberately pick men BELOW THEM to maintain some sort of control and power, which would completely and utterly violate any traditional definitions of hypergamy.

If hypergamy exists, it must be in the upper middle class and higher social classes of the US. It's not in the inner cities, it's not in the working class, and it's not in the solid "middle" of the middle class.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

People used to shrug their shoulders and mumble something about there being no certainty in life except death and taxes. And then just live their life.

Fast forward, after the red pill: 'Damn there is nothing certain life, I had better be God-damn careful I don't undertake any risky enterprises!!!' Here, people have experienced a trauma, and go on to live post-traumatically. In the shadow of a holocaust so to speak. They go on to bunker down and live what they think is a safer life.

No [calculated] risk, no reward.