Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem

[cola]

This is the equivalent of trying to run through the scientific method without a variable. You identify a problem and go straight onto a conclusion without any context.

Black people get harsher sentences because of prior criminal histories, lack cooperation with police (blacks make up 37% of cop killers and 13% of the population - this amounts to add-on charges like disorderly conduct or obstruction), and bad lawyers, who may not advise on the best of plea options. There are a litany of factors that go into this. You're in effect arguing the feminist "pay gap" talking point. Men make a little more, therefore sexism. Not taking into account men are 9x more likely to die on the job, are more willing to stay late, and more willing to negotiate their salary. Again, a conclusion without a procedure...

And not being able to afford good representation is not a result of "systemic racism". You can't name a single law that is racist in intent against blacks that would LEGALLY PREVENT them from hiring the best attorney in the state.

Dude, do you personally have something against blacks? You are very argumentative about this black stuff.

The black community is f#cked up dude. I dont know why. Slavery really messed us up. Many of us are poor, our community have subpar schools and its a lot of drug use and single parenting. Can't put a time limit on the recovery.

Give it a few more generations.. we'll figure it out. Geez

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Dude, do you personally have something against blacks? You are very argumentative about this black stuff.

The black community is f#cked up dude. I dont know why. Slavery really messed us up. Many of us are poor, our community have subpar schools and its a lot of drug use and single parenting. Can't put a time limit on the recovery.

Give it a few more generations.. we'll figure it out. Geez

I resent the question and backhanded racist charge. It's beneath you and you shouldn't do that. I RESPECT black people enough to treat them as AUTONOMOUS adults who are RESPONSIBLE for their own decisions.

Even though I think you're well intended and don't buy into the kool aid 100%, it still sort of seems to surprise you when a white male is willing to engage in rigorous debate and "talk back" when it comes to this sort of thing. The left loves to talk about having a "conversation" on race, but only if it's one sided.

And the only reason I'm "talking back" is because the society has made it not only acceptable but virtuous to be racist against whites. "Fvck white people" is now the dominant narrative in media and academia. The easiest way to get an A in your social issues class now is to write a thesis about "white privilege". May I ask you, as per your definition of racism, can whites experience racism ever?

And for the record, after 151 years the slavery card is long since run out. Did you know that a couple million Europeans were slaves along the shores of North Africa at the same time the trans-atlantic slave trade was going on? Europe was the envy of the world until the Islamic invasion of 2015. The Armenian people who inhabit a tiny country went through a genocide that killed 1.5 million people only 100 years ago? The Khmer Rouge took place 48 years ago and wiped out 25% of a population, which is doing just fine now.

The slavery card is old. It doesn't go away because it's LUCRATIVE to keep the narrative around.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Is it "racist" for me to also state I think Larry Elder, Thomas Sole, Jesse Lee Peterson, Kevin Jackson, Krystal Wright, Ben Carson, David Clarke, and all the other "coons" are some of the bravest and most charismatic people on earth?? Hell, I think Aayan Hirsi Ali is a QUEEN and a beautiful woman who I'd like to birth my children..

 

[cola]

I never called you a racist. You can have something against blacks and not be a racist.

it still sort of seems to surprise you whena white male is willing to engage inrigorous debate and "talk back" when it comes to this sort of thing.

Because its stupid. Black, White, Yellow. Some of my best friends are white. My current room mate is white. 2/3rds of the women I bang are white.

So since I deal with 'whitey' more than many black people choose to, maybe I realize we are all the same. My wee-wee maybe a tad bigger though


@BlueAlpha1
I don't know the answers to this sh*t bro. All i have is my experience.
I have white nerd friends who spend hrs playing DOTA and black friends who I know have killed people and gotten away with it.

We are all the same man. Some blacks and some whites are just too dumb to see that.

But you gotta admit being born into the ghetto is a sh*tty hand to start the game with.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I never called you a racist. You can have something against blacks and not be a racist.



Because its stupid. Black, White, Yellow. Some of my best friends are white. My current room mate is white. 2/3rds of the women I bang are white.

So since I deal with 'whitey' more than many black people choose to, maybe I realize we are all the same. My wee-wee maybe a tad bigger though


@BlueAlpha1
I don't know the answers to this sh*t bro. All i have is my experience.
I have white nerd friends who spend hrs playing DOTA and black friends who I know have killed people and gotten away with it.

We are all the same man. Some blacks and some whites are just too dumb to see that.

But you gotta admit being born into the ghetto is a sh*tty hand to start the game with.

Well I think we have some common ground so that's a good place to end on.

As for wee-wees, there is something about Aayan Hirsi Ali that turns me on. Not only does her smile light up the room, but here's a 100 pound woman from Somalia risking life and limb standing up to the people that oppressed her. Now THAT'S courage.

When it comes to alpha females, there's only two I'd submit to. Ayaan...and Ronda of course.

 

[speed dawg]

I wish all conversations about race can go like this one. Cola and BlueAlpha, you two are pretty straight up guys. Pretty obvious Cola has seen some stuff about whites he doesn't like, and I won't lie, BlueAlpha pretty much summed up my thoughts on blacks in post #28. It just is what it is. Yeah, we're all the human race but we do have some differences.

If the conversation would shift from 'How can we help blacks at the expense of whites' to 'How can we help blacks', more whites would be willing to engage and true progress will be made. However 80% of the sh*t is just whiny entitlement, which shadows out the true folks in need. It's a shame, really. So you get a bunch of anger from the whites (especially the lower class, who are getting the sh*t end of the stick at present). It's all selfish, man.

You just have to keep showing up every day, living life, and doing your best to help the folks you come in contact with. I don't know the answer.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Blue Alpha is right. Any color who resists the law or who commit multiple crimes will be treated more harshly.

Unfortunately the black community has this problem where they fight against the police and do not try to improve their lot. It is not that different than crabs in a barrel, uaing a phrase from here. They pull eachother back in.

It is safe and easy to blame whites, so that is what cowardly leftists do. Especially easy to blame the men.

It seems that a "disproportionate" (leftists love that word) number of black people think that cooperating with an arrest is optional - that the police will just back down if you're aggressive enough, inevitably leading to add-on charges which result in "harsher" sentences.

Don't get me wrong. If a rogue cop is treating you unfairly you get the name, badge number, and calmly tell him his superiors will be hearing from you attorney. Then you sue the hell out of em, have his job and get paid a bunch of money.

But only a moron thinks that upping the alpha in that moment is going to work.

 

[zekko]

Kaepernick is protesting against the very country that allows him the freedom to protest. I'm not the most patriotic guy by any stretch. I'm sure we all have problems with the country, I'm sure there are aspects of it we all would desperately like to see changed. This is my biggest problem with what he's doing. When he sits for the anthem and the flag, it appears that he is saying he not only won't respect the country, he won't be a part of it. He doesn't want to be a part of us.

When I was growing up in the 60s, with all the civil rights activity going on, we were told we should become color blind, so that all peoples should have the same opportunity. We were all supposed to be one. Now here we are in 2016, the country is less white than ever before, and as Danger notes, there are some with the "crabs in a bucket" mentality. When people of color succeed, many black people see it as betraying their race and becoming part of the white community. If we can't all be part of the same community, what is the point? And what is the alternative? To go back to segregation?

This is what is so damaging about what Kaepernick is doing. The impression he is giving is that he does not want to be a part of the whole, he doesn't want to be a part of us. We should all be pulling together to fix our problems, but the effects of his actions are just to divide us.

Side note: I've been watching ESPN, and all the editorial comments they've made on the situation. There is not one talking head on that network who has had the courage to go against the network grain and be critical of Kaepernick. They saw Stephen A. Smith get suspended when he didn't toe the line with the Ray Rice domestic violence case. They know they have to be politically correct to the fullest or their jobs are risk.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Coach should have walked over and kicked his ass off of the sideline as soon as it happened. Rumors are that they are trying to get rid of him. But seriously, what other NFL team would want him at this point? He'll just throw a big race tantrum if he doesn't get to start.

I can't believe none of the other players have threatened him yet. I hope they are. A high school quarterback would have gotten beat up by now by his own players.

I think future NFL contracts will start having clauses specifically forbidding political behavior like this. I hope so, anyway. What he is doing is an insult to anyone who likes football.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

As a former football player I thought what he did was idiotic. There is an unspoken rule among players that you don't create distractions for your team mates. I wouldn't be surprised if players in the locker room make his ass stand up for the next game. The timing of this is also suspect. He lost his starting job and now he's playing the race card to get attention and possibly released. Problem is, I don't think any other teams will touch him after this.

 

[dustmuffin]

Well I live not too far from what you would call "a white ghetto" i.e poor white people and the crime rate is just as high as in black neighborhoods. They have a white prison gang called "d.m.i" (deadman inc) and sell drugs on the corner just like in black neighborhoods..

I don't think its race that causes crime its poverty. It just so happens a lot of black people are poor.
My evidence for this is we in Maryland have several of the richest predominantly black counties in the country. Communities of blacks where the median household income is 120k+ and the crime rate is very low.

I say this to say
Blacks dont commit more crime, the poor and uneducated commit more crimes and Blacks are disproportionately poor. So they get a bad rap.
This is all.

Good point, I live in a Hispanic barrio. The crime rate is high. Mostly theft. I don't ever leave anything out unattended. There is probably drug dealing and other crime but I'm not aware of it. On the whole it's not a bad place to live.

There is a white ghetto nearby. I would never live there. It is chock full of meth and crack heads. Definitely the bottom of the humanity barrel. Most of them look like they haven't showered in months.

I have little knowledge of the black ghetto, but it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to live there.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Wrong. You are the piece of garbage.

Ok Dhoulmagus. Glad you've found nothing better to time with your time since being banned.

 

[Bible_Belt]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...onal-anthem-protest/x1dyns4gx4xk1lqhka2g2jt4j
'F— that guy': NFL execs really hate Colin Kaepernick, report says

"In my career, I have never seen a guy so hated by front office guys as Kaepernick."

 

[Bible_Belt]

I was a Bucs fan in the late 90's when Dunn played for them. I always thought he was a class act. That team had a great backfield - tiny Dunn and big Mike Alstot, who I saw out at the Tampa bars a time or two.

Dunn's charity buys the home, but the recipient doesn't know that until they show up to close on the home, having qualified on their own credit and come up with their own down payment. That's how he screens those single mothers, which I think is brilliant. If he just handed out free houses, no one would appreciate it or keep them up.

 

[zekko]

The story deepens. Apparently Kaepernick has been wearing socks in practice that have pictures of pigs with police hats on. While I think this form of protest is at least more on point, again I think this shows poor judgement. If athletes are supposed to be in a role model position (and he is taking on a role model position by making a political statement), what kind of message does this send? Disrespect the police? Seems like this is just deepening the divide, rather than opening a dialogue.

Plus I really doubt this is something that the NFL is going to want to continue to defend. I'm sure a lot of their paying fans are policemen.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/l...actice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

If he was wearing those socks during practice the coaches should have forced him to remove them. That behavior would not have flown on any team I've played on. Just imagine if he pulled a stunt like that in front of a coach like Nick Saban. His ass would be chewed out in a microsecond. This is football, quit being an individual, wear the designated team colors or gtfo the field.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Combine a little narcissism with the low level athletic skills of a 3rd stringer, and the critical thinking skills of a toilet seat and you've got this clown.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I was at a bar last night that was playing a 49ers pre-season game. They had a camera on him non-stop. The game was mostly watching him on the sidelines, and occasionally they would cut to some footage of actual football.

 

[zekko]

Apparently last night he kneeled for the anthem instead of sitting, and one of his teammates joined him. He said he knelt out of respect for the military, while still making his protest. I don't think this is a bad way for him to compromise, since it allows him to show some respect, while still making his point. Jason Whitlock on Fox Sports says he wouldn't be surprised to see this catch on, there might be a lot of NFLers kneeling from this point on. I still don't think the anthem is the best place to be making a protest, but for what it's worth, I don't have a problem with the kneeling.

There was a woman on ESPN who said something that irritated me though. She said that now that he's explained himself (that his protest wasn't directed toward the military), if you still have a problem with what he does, then that reveals more about you than him. Excuse me? If I disagree with the way in which he protests, he can explain himself until he's blue in the face and that isn't going to change anything.

For some reason the only objections I've heard have been about the military. "He shouldn't sit during the anthem because it insults the military". That may be, but the anthem and the flag represents more than just the military, even though they are the ones who have sacrificed the most for it.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

wouldn't be surprised to see this catch on, there might be a lot of NFLers kneeling from this point on.

They can kneel while I tune them out along with the rest of the NFL feminist PC bullsh1t. I'm a huge football fan, but I didn't watch a single game the last 2 years except for the Superbowl. Remember when Mark Cuban warned the NFL was going to implode within the next 10 years. Piss off enough white fans and the league will die because they're the ones buying the overpriced tickets and merchandise.