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Regarding the thug culture, there's a famous quote by Jesse Jackson, who said:
“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

The NFL season started tonight, and the Broncos Brandon Marshall knelt during the anthem. I'm surprised he was the only one. I would expect more kneeling this Sunday. I think the kneeling gets the message across but is respectful. Sitting during the anthem is too offensive, IMO, and just creates divisiveness.
The problem is they're wrong and they're protesting a non-issue. Facts matter. There is no issue of police killing blacks. 140 deaths last year out of 40 million people. Let's assume 80 of them were cases of police brutality. That puts a black person's chance of being killed by a cop at 1 in 5 million. I'd like to hear EyeBRacist @EyeBRollin address that probability.
 
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Yes, it does. Thug culture glorifies many behaviors that are felonies. Felons lose their civil rights. A felon can't vote or own a gun. Michael Brown became a felon when he assaulted and tried to kill a police officer.
No he didn't. Felons already had their due process. Being black doesn't make one a felon. Michael Brown wasn't convicted of assaulting a police officer.

Your believe in the civil right to rob a store, assault a clerk, assault a police officer, and try to kill him.



Why is it so hard for you to admit that slavery pre-dated whites in Africa and still goes on 153 years after whites abolished it?
How does this justify whites enslaving blacks in America?

The problem is they're wrong and they're protesting a non-issue. Facts matter. There is no issue of police killing blacks. 140 deaths last year out of 40 million people. Let's assume 80 of them were cases of police brutality. That puts a black person's chance of being killed by a cop at 1 in 5 million. I'd like to hear EyeBRacist @EyeBRollin address that probability.
I don't have to address ****. It takes an extremely arrogant racist ******* to tell black people they are making up their bad experiences with cops.
 

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The NFL season started tonight, and the Broncos Brandon Marshall knelt during the anthem. I'm surprised he was the only one. I would expect more kneeling this Sunday. I think the kneeling gets the message across but is respectful. Sitting during the anthem is too offensive, IMO, and just creates divisiveness.
Look, I appreciate your sensitivity on this topic, unlike dip**** (BlueAlpha1). I have to ask... have you ever actually protested anything?

Protesting is supposed to be inconvenient and offensive. That's how it works.
 
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No he didn't. Felons already had their due process. Being black doesn't make one a felon. Michael Brown wasn't convicted of assaulting a police officer.
There is video evidence of Michael Brown robbing a store and assaulting a store clerk, which you didn't watch. At this moment he became a criminal. That's probable cause for Darren Wilson to conduct a lawful arrest. When he ultimately tried to, the forensics concluded that a struggle took place and the final bullet was fired at close range and into the top of Brown's head, rendering the hands up don't shoot narrative a lie.

Clearly there is no series of facts that can ever deter you from your tribal racism.

How does this justify whites enslaving blacks in America?
It doesn't. I'm just asking you to be consistent with your moral outrage. When you express as much outrage over modern day slavery in Africa, or black Muslims enslaving my people (there is no such thing as Islamophobia), or the fact that 98% of slaves in the trans-Atlantic slave trade went to Brazil, then one can begin to take you seriously.

I don't have to address ****.
It's not that you don't "have to", it's that you can't. You can't win the argument. Facts don't care about your feelings.

It takes an extremely arrogant racist ******* to tell black people they are making up their bad experiences with cops.
"Bad experiences" does not equal murder. 1 in 5 million.
 

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Protesting is supposed to be inconvenient and offensive.
Inconvenient or disruptive, sure. Offensive is not necessary. The Million Man March, Ghandi's hunger strike, John and Yoko's Bed-In for peace, none of these were offensive but all got their point across. Sitting during the national anthem is just a big middle finger to the country. In fact, I would say once you make it offensive, it becomes more about you than the issue you're trying to protest. It distracts from what you are trying to say.
 
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Why is it hard for you to accept that EVERY race and culture owned slaves, yet whites were the first to free them?

You seem obsessed with hating and blaming whites exclusively.
Yes. He's an anti-white racist.
 

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Lol, now I've seen everything. Some talking heads on ESPN were just critical of the NFL players who stood for the anthem last night. They were disappointed that Brandon Marshall was the only one who chose to kneel. One guy said "How dare they not kneel for the anthem when they know the issues that are at stake". Wow. This is really getting complicated.
 
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Lol, now I've seen everything. Some talking heads on ESPN were just critical of the NFL players who stood for the anthem last night. They were disappointed that Brandon Marshall was the only one who chose to kneel. One guy said "How dare they not kneel for the anthem when they know the issues that are at stake". Wow. This is really getting complicated.
Just like the racist Isiah Thomas, who said white silence is violence. This guy should get the Donald Sterling treatment and be abolished with all things NBA.
 

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There is video evidence of Michael Brown robbing a store and assaulting a store clerk, which you didn't watch. At this moment he became a criminal. That's probable cause for Darren Wilson to conduct a lawful arrest. When he ultimately tried to, the forensics concluded that a struggle took place and the final bullet was fired at close range and into the top of Brown's head, rendering the hands up don't shoot narrative a lie.

Clearly there is no series of facts that can ever deter you from your tribal racism.
Video =/= conviction. Due process is a constitutional right.

It doesn't. I'm just asking you to be consistent with your moral outrage. When you express as much outrage over modern day slavery in Africa, or black Muslims enslaving my people (there is no such thing as Islamophobia), or the fact that 98% of slaves in the trans-Atlantic slave trade went to Brazil, then one can begin to take you seriously.
Why is it hard for you to accept that EVERY race and culture owned slaves, yet whites were the first to free them?
Stop deflecting. You need to own American Slavery. It is part of our history.


You seem obsessed with hating and blaming whites exclusively.

It's not that you don't "have to", it's that you can't. You can't win the argument. Facts don't care about your feelings.
Why are you so butthurt?
 

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Inconvenient or disruptive, sure. Offensive is not necessary. The Million Man March, Ghandi's hunger strike, John and Yoko's Bed-In for peace, none of these were offensive but all got their point across. Sitting during the national anthem is just a big middle finger to the country. In fact, I would say once you make it offensive, it becomes more about you than the issue you're trying to protest. It distracts from what you are trying to say.
Sorry bud, that's garbage. Your perception of what is offensive doesn't usurp the hardships faced by underprivileged groups. You don't get to tell others how to feel or how to peacefully protest.

Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Muhammad Ali were offensive as hell to mainstream. They are only viewed favorably in hindsight.
 
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Video =/= conviction. Due process is a constitutional right.
What kind of stupidity is this?

Brown would have had his day in court if he didn't try to commit an attempted murder. By your logic you shouldn't shoot a burglar breaking into your home because you're worried about his due process. :lol::rofl:

Stop deflecting. You need to own American Slavery. It is part of our history.
Listen moron, I don't need to own American slavery any more than you need to own African slavery which was much longer and much more brutal. There's a stronger likelihood you are the descended from a slave owner than I am. 1.3% of Americans owned slaves, but slavery has been and still is prevalent in multiple African countries. In fact, there were black slave owners IN AMERICA. It might be you who owes reparations, actually.

Why are you so butthurt?
Let's face it. I make mopping the floor with you a full-time job and all you can do is come back with JPEG's of strawmen and dopey questions.

Sorry bud, that's garbage. Your perception of what is offensive doesn't usurp the hardships faced by underprivileged groups. You don't get to tell others how to feel or how to peacefully protest.
There is nothing called an "underprivileged" group in this country. We have achieved the closest thing to perfect equality the world has ever seen.
 
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You don't get to tell others how to feel or how to peacefully protest.
No I don't, but I am allowed to have an opinion on it, yes? I said in my first post Kaepernick had the right to sit out the anthem.

Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Muhammad Ali were offensive as hell to mainstream. They are only viewed favorably in hindsight.
Malcolm X preached a violent agenda early in his career, although he probably would not be viewed so favorably now had he not softened his stance - just as Kaepernick has. Martin Luther King went out of his way to make his protests nonviolent. I can't think of anything he did that was offensive.

Some found Ali's refusing to serve in the military as offensive, but a lot of young white people looked up to him as well, because they didn't want to go fight in Vietnam either. Ali was far from the only person protesting the Vietnam war. Supposedly though, Ali was a conscientious objector, and did not want to kill for religious reasons.

Most of the people who found King or Ali's actions offensive did not like the message they were trying to get across. That's different than the protest itself being offensive. A protest certainly can be offensive, but it definitely does not need to be.
 
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Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Muhammad Ali were offensive as hell to mainstream. They are only viewed favorably in hindsight.
Speak for yourself. The guy who said "if you find any good white people kill them first before they turn bad" shouldn't be looked at favorably in hindsight. Malcolm was an evil man who belonged to an evil cult called the Nation of Islam.
 

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Speak for yourself. The guy who said "if you find any good white people kill them first before they turn bad" shouldn't be looked at favorably in hindsight. Malcolm was an evil man who belonged to an evil cult called the Nation of Islam.
Yea ok.

No I don't, but I am allowed to have an opinion on it, yes? I said in my first post Kaepernick had the right to sit out the anthem.
You can, but you will sound like an ass doing so. Oppressed people are suffering. Colin Kapernick and Barack Obama do not embody the reality of most blacks in this country. It would be like telling someone who is grieving to stop doing so because it inconveniences you. It just makes you the *******.

Malcolm X preached a violent agenda early in his career, although he probably would not be viewed so favorably now had he not softened his stance - just as Kaepernick has. Martin Luther King went out of his way to make his protests nonviolent. I can't think of anything he did that was offensive.

Some found Ali's refusing to serve in the military as offensive, but a lot of young white people looked up to him as well, because they didn't want to go fight in Vietnam either. Ali was far from the only person protesting the Vietnam war. Supposedly though, Ali was a conscientious objector, and did not want to kill for religious reasons.
Nope, that's revisionist history. Martin Luther King and Muhmmad Ali were both hated.

Most of the people who found King or Ali's actions offensive did not like the message they were trying to get across. That's different than the protest itself being offensive. A protest certainly can be offensive, but it definitely does not need to be.
Just admit you disagree with the message.
 

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I said in my first post Kaepernick had the right to sit out the anthem.
I'm not attacking you personally, but just for once listen to the perspective of someone who isn't of the same race as you. This is what myself and many (not all) black people see:

Your view (mainstream) of patriotism is offensive to us because America has not consistently stood up for black people. It took almost 100 years (as a nation) for us to be considered people instead of property, then another 100 years after getting the constitutional right to vote to actually be able to do so without intimidation, threats of violence, and poll taxes. You have regularly assassinated anyone that has either been our widely respected leaders, or white allies. Then, you have politicians tell us we need to be more like you to get equal rights or we can go to hell. Then, even those of us who assimilate into the mainstream still get discrimination (even Republican Senator Tim Scott recounted over a half dozen occasions in a year where he was profiled).

You can disagree with what I'm saying, but that is our perspective. Just read and try to understand. Don't get defensive. This is our reality. It's paternalistic and condescending for you to tell us what we see is wrong.
 

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I'll just say this @zekko ,

The race conversation in America will not progress anywhere until Americans, particularly white Americans, start owning up to our racist history and the discrepancies in how people of color get treated. If you can't keep an open mind and listen, there will be no progress. I've said countless times and I'll repeat, black people don't hold the power to fix this.
 
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I'll just say this @zekko ,

The race conversation in America will not progress anywhere until Americans, particularly white Americans, start owning up to our racist history and the discrepancies in how people of color get treated.
Your idea of white people "owning up" is bending over and paying a 95% reparations tax to every black person who was never a slave. You want trailer trash Joe with no teeth in his mouth and a nickel to his name to "check his privilege" and apologize for oppressing multi-millionaire Colin Kapernick. You are never going to be happy until whites are completely and utterly subjugated the way blacks used to be. Just admit it, what you want is revenge and you veil that in cute words like "conversation."

If you can't keep an open mind and listen, there will be no progress.
The race issue can not be fixed because of people like you. By that I mean paranoid blacks and cowardly whites. The "coons" and race traitors are the heroes here. They are on one end of the tug of war trying to pull black people forward as you stand on the other end trying to pull them back like crabs in a barrel. They want the national embarrassment that is black crime fixed. They want the family restored. You don't. You like the status quo because you get to blame someone else.

I've said countless times and I'll repeat, black people don't hold the power to fix this.
Ridiculous, nonsensical comment. We have a black President, a black attorney general, a former black attorney general, a black Supreme Court judge, black billionaires, black prosecutors, black bankers, black shareholders, and black super athletes.

Racism has nothing to do with power. But if it did, black people would have the ability to deploy a lot of it.
 
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Martin Luther King and Muhmmad Ali were both hated
Excuse me, I was there. Yes, many people hated King and/or Ali, and were resistant to change, but many people liked what they stood for. I was young, but I was always a fan of Ali.

You have regularly assassinated anyone that has either been our widely respected leaders, or white allies.
Malcolm X was killed by a black man. No one killed Ali, Farrakhan, Jackson, or Johnny Cochran.

Then, you have politicians tell us we need to be more like you to get equal rights or we can go to hell.
I don't know what specific politicians you are referring to because I haven't heard any who have said such a thing. But if by "be more like you", you mean to be law abiding citizens, yes we expect that.

The race conversation in America will not progress anywhere until Americans, particularly white Americans, start owning up to our racist history and the discrepancies in how people of color get treated.
You gave the black perspective, let me give some white perspective. Yes, there are racists, I'm sure there will always be racists. But I think 90% of white Americans bear no ill will toward minorities, and do not want to discriminate against them, and do not discriminate against them. But I think many white Americans feel like we have "owned up to our racist history" until we are blue in the face. We have bent over backwards to make laws against discrimination, and to help the poverty stricken and people of color to get work and education.

But it seems like the more we do, the louder the cry gets about how racist we are and how much we discriminate. And the black people who try to become successful and work with the system are called traitors to their race. It gets tiresome after awhile. If we can't invite you to work within the system because that's wanting you to be too much like us, what's the answer? Go back to segregation?
 

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Your idea of white people "owning up" is bending over and paying a 95% reparations tax to every black person who was never a slave. You want trailer trash Joe with no teeth in his mouth and a nickel to his name to "check his privilege" and apologize for oppressing multi-millionaire Colin Kapernick. You are never going to be happy until whites are completely and utterly subjugated the way blacks used to be. Just admit it, what you want is revenge and you veil that in cute words like "conversation."
Wow. Get a life. I've never stated or suggested anything remotely close to this in any of my posts.

The race issue can not be fixed because of people like you.
I'm everything white America wants a black man to be. Young, college-educated, white-collard professional with not even a speeding ticket to my record.

They want the national embarrassment that is black crime fixed. They want the family restored. You don't. You like the status quo because you get to blame someone else.
You've made it clear you don't care about fixing black crime and the family unit.

Ridiculous, nonsensical comment. We have a black President, a black attorney general, a former black attorney general, a black Supreme Court judge, black billionaires, black prosecutors, black bankers, black shareholders, and black super athletes.
Why are blacks still underrepresented in all those positions you listed?

Lmao, Clarence Thomas never even asked a question until last year.
 

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