A Long Time Out of the Game and I Don't Like What I'm Seeing

[guru1000]

Free will is an illusion. We are "more free" in the US than most countries, but we aren't truly free in the US. We operate under laws, regulations, terms, and conditions that MOST of us don't even fully understand. Nobody is free, we are ALL just being allowed to participate in certain "activities" until the powers that be get tired of our participation and decide to snatch it away from us.

You touch on something else I've been wanting to touch on. Most of the shyt preached in the Manosphere don't even apply to certain types of women, i.e., black women. A lot of the Don Juan theories are coming from white guys, MANY of which live in a suburb/middle class area that doesn't involve a lot of inner city violence, poor schools, no jobs, racism, discrimination, etc.

90% of the shyt preached in the Manosphere and on Sosuave, about DJ principles, or PUA pick up tactics....90% of that shyt will NOT work on most black women as most black women come from the inner city where you have to bring forth a much more hyper masculinity based display (among other things).

So no, it's not the DJ theories that get you a.ss, it's going to be more your genetics, social constructs, and conditions. If you are looking to attract a particular TYPE of girl, hang out with a guy from that particular area and culture, who is already attracting that type of girl and begin to add aspects of his personality to your natural personality.

It's 100% up to me if I sign a marriage contract. I'll sign it if they change the laws. Basically if they change it to be where if the wife leaves, I leave, or we both leave....she takes her shyt, I take my shyt, we SPLIT what we built together....and that's it. No need for a long 3 year expensive a.ss divorce proceeding, no need for her trying to take my kids away completely, no false allegations, none of it. K.I.S.S., keep it simple and stupid.

But there's no way in hell the law will be updated like this in my lifetime (I'm 33 as of today) so there's no marriage for Tenacity. There's no legal relationship with women AT ALL, because I don't want my life or finances or FREEDOM tied to the Family Court at all.

Yes Tenacity, you get it! I’m glad, as this is quite the deep subject.

"Free" Will

To reinforce what I said earlier, you make the “willful” decision today “I am not getting married.” And as you had stated, if the market condition were to change to one that was supportive of marriage with more to gain and less to lose, then you might get married. So your decision is based on outside conditions, and, accordingly, your decision not to get married is not entirely “free” but rather prompted as a response to your surroundings.

Let’s take this a step further, let’s say you were a strong “willed” person and stated, “Under no circumstance will I ever get married.” Then I came to you and put a gun to your head and stated if you don’t sign this marriage contract in front of you, I will blow your brains out. You, then, might change your mind and get married. But if you were strong “willed,” then you might respond, “Fvck you, I am free willed, kill me.” Even if you did respond in this manner, you were not entirely free willed, as for you to develop such a such “will,” would mean that you were given a genetic capacity to serve your convictions in spite of your life, or you had prior experiences/conditions which shaped your thinking to develop such a strong mindset to the degree whereas you would serve convictions in spite of your life. Either way, outside stimuli, genetic or conditions, shaped your decision in giving up your life, and thus, again, your decision was not entirely free. “Free will” is not entirely free, but there are degrees of freedom. In the US, as you had stated, you have more free will than other countries. Having broached, we’ll get back to this subject in a moment.

The 1%er

Earlier discussions equated finding a suitable partner to be approximately 5% of the population. I believe this % is much less. The 4-6 looks range comprises the bulk of the population, and single women in the 7-10 range likely comprise the top 10% (or less). Walk out onto to the street, and how many single women do you see in 7-10 range? Of course this is dependent on where you live. A metropolitan city will have more hot women than suburbs, but I do believe the true percentage of what men are looking for in the looks department is closer to the top 10%. Now if we were to adopt this 10% number (we can adjust later if we need to), then we are further looking for a woman with fewer sexual partners, good upbringing, respect, loyalty, feminine behavior, a good attitude, no/little divorces in the family. Now the 10% potentiality dropped to 2% or less. Then we further qualify for compatibility: “Do we get along?” “Do we have common interests?” “Do our conversations flow naturally?” Yes, we found her, but we are likely at a fraction of 1%! I will refer to this woman as the “1%er.”

You mean to tell me you want me to pass on all of that in favor of trying to find some UNICORN that doesn't exist anymore?

Tenacity, I know you wrote this as a hyperbole, but it’s important to qualify the argument, because when hyperboles are parroted often, they can be imprinted and confused as the truth in our psyches. We (you, I, and other single men) are not looking for a unicorn. We are seeking a 1%er.

Seems a bit overwhelming, right? Much easier to say, “Hey, fvck this, let me stay with the other 99% and just enjoy our time rather than pursue the seemly impossible? Right? This makes sense to me as well and I can totally understand this line of thinking. But …

Let’s go financial for a moment. The top 1% of America earns $380,000+. But, if you are not currently in the top 1%, should you state that the 1% is too difficult and accordingly you will just stay where you are--or--are you going to keep trying by positioning yourself to get there? For anybody who has reached the top 1% has made a decision somewhere along the line to say , “Hey, I‘m going to be the top 1% and no one will fvcken stop me!” This person then positions himself with the necessary Ivy League school education, networks, or business capital whereas to reach his 1% conviction. Now he may or may not get there, but most often the person who gets to the 1% income class made that decision to get there somewhere in his life and got there, as opposed to it just being a freak accident (which could happen, but not as likely).

My point is that to get to the top 1%, you have to make a willful decision to. Yes, there is no “free will” entirely, but there are degrees. So by adopting the philosophy that you are not going after the 1% (your true desire) and subjugating yourself to market conditions, you are less free! The man who shamelessly and unapologetically goes after the 1% against the market, whether win or lose, possesses more free will, and is thus freer, than you! Herein is my only objection to not going after the 1% as you initially desired.

As to the argument of “Should I disqualify all prospects until I find the 1%?” TO brings strong points as usual. Though, I find that “game” (as you know I don’t believe in game but rather just needs and whether you are or aren’t meeting those needs) is stronger in an abundant mindset. I’ve been with hundreds of hot women in my life and I consider myself to possess strong “game” overall as a result, but if I don’t have current relations with hot women NOW, my “game” will dwindle. Social acuity needs constant reinforcement. If you don’t use it abundantly, it wanes. Hence, the advice so often parroted here, “Spin plates.” Accordingly, if you choose to pursue the 1%er, I would recommend spinning 2- 3 plates, continue looking, and drop the lowest-tier plate when a more qualified contender steps up to bat.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Or were the men corrupt first, then the women became corrupt, and now we are all corrupt?

Women are hard wired genetically to follow men. Or to be contained by men. "Corrupt" is a loaded term. Nobody is corrupt. Everybody looks into their environment and gets the most they can with the least amount of effort. That has and always will be the fundamental truth of human nature. The only things that change are the external constraints.

Human society is a HUGELY complex system with VAST numbers of interdependent variables. It's useless pontificating about the reasons for what might be described as "corrupt."

There is only YOU, the world you live in, YOUR DESIRES, and your skills that you use to interact with society to get those desires fulfilled.

You can blame society and corrupt people all you want, but at the end of the day, if you can't get what you want that's on you.

It's NOBODY'S job to give you want you want.

It's YOUR job to go out and get it.

If you've decided the world doesn't have what you want, then it's up to you to get the best you can FROM that world.

Nobody's going to give it to you as a reward that you think you've earned.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

Its a woman's world? Everything I touch, look at, or travel in was predominantly made by men. We are the makers and shapers of society. Most CEOs, politicians, and authority figures are men.
3rd wave feminism might get a lot of media attention but how much of it is positive and less and less people are identifying with being a feminist and more women are choosing to identify with traditional female values. Check out 'red pill women' or 'own your sh*t' Even churches are pushing a more red pill model than ever.

If AFC want to be orbiters and spend their energy on valueless women that is their choice. Is every guy on here happy all the time? I don't think so. If not then maybe it isnt our place to judge men who find their hapiness in service to their loved ones. There ARE men out there who are happy.

I love the modern era. The more fat beta's there are out there the better I look. More than ever women appreciate a man with a masculine identity and values. You dont need to be a PLAYA or spin plates, you just need to be a confident, sexual MAN. There are lovely, feminine, women out there. If we arent going to be masculine, why should they be feminine. We also need to be a man that women like this want.

We have a choice about who we vote for, where we live, and who we have in our lives, and how we live our lives.

 

[Desdinova]

Its a woman's world? Everything I touch, look at, or travel in was predominantly made by men. We are the makers and shapers of society. Most CEOs, politicians, and authority figures are men.

So if a man loses the house he built to his cheating ex-wife in a divorce, does it mean it's still his house?

I honestly believe that men have given what they've built to women. Men are also blamed when the women fvck it all up. "A man built it, how can you expect it to work right?"

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

I am not disagreeing with the legal system being gynocentric but buyer beware. It is not as if anyone believes divorce proceedings are fair. What about the wife whose husband lises everything through bad business choices and becomes liable for half his debt. I know this happens because I could have made my ex wife accountable for my business debt.

 

[guru1000]

Just had a string of low-quality garbage this month. Couldn't even relegate them as plates; they didn't meet the minimum quality threshold.

Tenacity, I direct this to you. Yes, the market of women is worse than I have ever seen in the quality department, but frankly I don't give a fvck how bad this market is. Unless I am found dead, I will find that 1%er, and when I do, I will report back in this thread.

 

[Tenacity]

“Free will” is not entirely free, but there are degrees of freedom. In the US, as you had stated, you have more free will than other countries. Having broached, we’ll get back to this subject in a moment.

Here's the thing, being free is subjective. Take a guy living in a 3rd world country and drop him off over here in the US, he will see this as an utopia of freedom compared to what he just got out of. But us having lived here in the US and consistently see more laws, regulations, police state, and big government get bigger, creating more regulations that reduce our "freedoms", we don't look at the US as being this utopia of freedom like the guy coming from the 3rd world country.

The 1%er

Earlier discussions equated finding a suitable partner to be approximately 5% of the population. I believe this % is much less.

.......Yes, we found her, but we are likely at a fraction of 1%! I will refer to this woman as the “1%er.”

The definition of "quality" is also subjective....when I refer to quality I'm referring to a woman whose attitude/personality mimics a traditional patriarchial woman's attitude/personality which was one with the desire to PLEASE/SUPPORT/SUBMIT to her man in all areas. This in combination with the woman looking pretty good and not bringing some other man's kids to the table out of wedlock.

This woman is for the most part dead, due to the changing dynamics of today's market with feminism and social norms. Women used to be shamed for having kids out of wedlock, today they are championed. Women used to be shamed for being overweight and unattractive, today they are celebrated. Women used to be shamed for having bad attitudes and not supporting the man in their life, today they are encouraged to have bad attitudes as well as be unsupportive.

You call it a 1%er, I call it about 5% of today's market, the bottom line is that it's like finding Big Foot, or a Unicorn. You DO NOT set out to find a unicorn. You just don't. What you do is you lay the foundation to run into a unicorn through the active process of managing non-unicorns. But that STILL doesn't mean you will find a unicorn.

The 5% of guys that found the unicorn, are lucky. Plain and simple. It's compared to being efficient at business, that lays the foundation to become a millionaire, but that doesn't mean you will BECOME a millionaire. All it does is give you a higher CHANCE of becoming one.

To me, no prudent business owner opens a business saying, "I'm doing to this become a millionaire." Instead, they do it because they see unmet demand in the market that they can fulfill. What ends up happening is that they lay the foundation for WEALTH to be created and a SMALL PERCENTAGE of business owners become millionaires in the process.

It's the same thing with this current dating market. All you can do is fix your looks, personality, and finances to where you are a collective 6 or 7 out of 10. Then you go out and keep meeting "decent" women. That's it. There's nothing else you can do. A small PERCENTAGE of these men will find a unicorn, the rest will be in and out of relationships, marriages, or stuck in unfulfilling relationships or marriages going forward.

Me personally, I am NOT operating my dating life on trying to find a unicorn anymore. I'm just enjoying the non-unicorns that I get who are "decent enough" to deal with until they become "too difficult to deal with" in which at that time I will replace them with another chick and....rinse, wash, repeat.

 

[guru1000]

To me, no prudent business owner opens a business saying, "I'm doing to this become a millionaire." Instead, they do it because they see unmet demand in the market that they can fulfill.
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If he saw an unmet demand in the market that he could fulfill, he wouldn't do it unless he possessed the ambition to act on it. Most opportunities are not capitalized on, as most don't have the ambition to take action on said opportunities. It begins with the ambition.

 

[Tenacity]

Its a woman's world? Everything I touch, look at, or travel in was predominantly made by men. We are the makers and shapers of society. Most CEOs, politicians, and authority figures are men.

I'm speaking from a dating perspective, it's a woman's world. And make no mistake about it, soon the corporate/political world will be a woman's world as well. Not because women will CONQUER us, but it's because just like with Feminism, we will HAND AWAY our power to them.

You dont need to be a PLAYA or spin plates, you just need to be a confident, sexual MAN. There are lovely, feminine, women out there. If we arent going to be masculine, why should they be feminine. We also need to be a man that women like this want..

I look at the big picture (macro), not just the micro.

Yes, there are decent women out there (micro) and if you have your attraction stuff together than you can have some "success" with them....success in this regard refers to getting laid, having good dates, and having good sexual companionship.

But that's where it stops for the vast majority.

For the vast majority of women, the longer you hold them the worse they get (women are penny stocks, not blue chip stocks). And women are very random, your entire engagement with her is a LEASE agreement that can be called at anytime, for any reason, or for no reason.

Based on that, either you function as the Player who uses women for sexual companionship and entertainment only, or you operate on the outdated Traditional Patriarchal Man model and face a higher probability of getting screwed over financially through dates, relationships, and the Family Court.

 

[Tenacity]

Women are hard wired genetically to follow men. Or to be contained by men.

It's nice to bring up these biological reference points, but from my experience women operate on a CULTURAL norm basis, not biological. In other words, the guy who gets the most a.ss will be the guy who the CULTURE says is the most attractive. Over here in the Black Community, 60 years ago that was a Malcolm X type of guy, today, it's a Lil Wayne type of guy.

"Corrupt" is a loaded term. Nobody is corrupt. Everybody looks into their environment and gets the most they can with the least amount of effort. That has and always will be the fundamental truth of human nature. The only things that change are the external constraints.

Human society is a HUGELY complex system with VAST numbers of interdependent variables. It's useless pontificating about the reasons for what might be described as "corrupt."

There is only YOU, the world you live in, YOUR DESIRES, and your skills that you use to interact with society to get those desires fulfilled.

You can blame society and corrupt people all you want, but at the end of the day, if you can't get what you want that's on you.

It's NOBODY'S job to give you want you want.

It's YOUR job to go out and get it.

T.O. it's interesting how you preach this here, but you agreed with me in another thread about the screwed up stock market, upcoming crashes, Global NWO, etc. How can you preach on one hand that the world is OURS and all we have to do is seize the opportunities......while agree with me that we are operating in a Global NWO/Central Banker influence bubble that when it POPS will create something like we've never seen before?

The corrupt system tells everybody that hard work pays off.....but it doesn't. Hard work does NOT pay off, what pays off is SMART work through the use of leveraged capital, leveraged labor, leveraged networks/relationships, and leveraged technologies.

Hard work = Working 40 hours a week in fast food and being barely able to afford your rent in the violent inner city.

Smart work = Using your network to get you into a good MBA program, getting hired into a Wallstreet position, working 40 - 50 hours a week in a comfortable office with technologies that do most of your work, and making well over six figures every single year.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

How can you preach on one hand that the world is OURS and all we have to do is seize the opportunities......while agree with me that we are operating in a Global NWO/Central Banker influence bubble that when it POPS will create something like we've never seen before?

And when it does crash, people will make money.

The world IS yours if you can learn to think for yourself, and act accordingly.

Maybe you didn't see the movie, "The Big Short," About the guys who FORECAST the 2008 crash and made a fvckton of money?

I don't understand your point.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I was 15 years in a LTR with kids but 5 years ago it ended. I thought I'd got my sh!t together, caught up on dating, manosphere, got going on social media etc and I don't like what I see.

Women are all on fvcking Facebook with their noses in smart phones the whole time. They all seem entitled to text who they want, when they want. There's orbiters sniffing around every corner and while it's easy to get commitment and infatuation from them initially, it's not long before their emotional demands exceed what they actually deserve. They know they can get attention elsewhere easily, sat on the sh1tter if they want and you loose. You're being brainwashed the whole time that it's normal and if you don't agree, you're jealous and controlling. If that's how they perceive you, they'll just do it behind your back anyway.

The truth is, these broads have no loyalty and can't be trusted. They bring nothing to the fvcking table and yet they're 'entitled' to everything. The first indication they've lost interest is withdrawing sex and you know you have to end it.

The advice here is play them at their own game, but that's creating the problem. It's enabling them to behave like this. For every bird you're enabling, some fvcker else is enabling yours. That is, no one is healthy and committed and we're all jumping from one rancid encounter to another.

I know about that, they sucked soo deeply into the phone that the attention steals your attention...

Some of the guys play the same game back on women and IGNORE them even HARDER in return. Talking loud on the phone like they are the president and she is a surf.

Other alternative is to cut them off for poor behavior. That particular cell phone game gets worse when you don't do anything about it. I for one will have them put it up if we go to nice dining or I will remove myself from the table. She can stay by herself.

No loyalty and cant be trusted. Depends upon which dating pool. In the singles one it's usually every man and woman for their self, and they are much more up front about their bull****, or will lie their a$$ off.

There still are women worthy of LTR's, but you gotta know where to look. But yes the dating for dating sakes pool, is more games and booby traps, and bs than ever before. The people who are cleaning up in there either run more games than the females, or they simply have a high SMV value and don't put up with $hit... "he's so strict..." I've heard a girl say that.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

It sounds like the american scene is mental. It doesnt seem so bad here yet but maybe I just got lucky. Maybe the sample is skewed because of who posts on this site.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

This is crucial to understand. The ONLY thing you need to be able to do is WALK AWAY at the first sign of trouble. Ideally when SHE still thinks things are "OK."

This is the one of THE most critical "male skills" being able to BOUNCE without hesitation WITHOUT EVER looking back.

No explanation, no expectations of agreement or validation, not need to "prove" you're "right" and "she's" wrong. ZERO correlation with the amount of lack of sex in the relationship.

This is something EVERY MAN should practice EVERY SINGLE DAY. Even in normal conversations. While it can seem "interesting' and "playful" to talk to a old fat angry women, to "prove" that you're "right" and she's "wrong," there is NO FEMININE PVZZY THERE FOR YOU, so you bounce.

No reason to talk to her so you can run to the internet to prove how bad the market is.

When you RADIATE the energy (metaphor for body language, movement, facial expression, eye movement, voice tone) that you are a guy that DOESN'T HESITATE TO BOUNCE, you will be seen as MUCH DIFFERENT than any limp beta pee-pee out there.

Be like DeNiro's character in HEAT. ALWAYS BE READY TO BOUNCE AT ALL TIMES.

The great paradox of life is that if you WANT a woman to be feminine, loyal, respectful, you must ACCEPT that it can GO SOUTH at any moment, and when it does, you don't whine, you don't complain, you don't beg, you don't use tricks to "train her," you LEAVE.

WITHOUT HESITATION

Build your life (as it is related to women) around this principle, and you WILL be free.

This post has everything. It's amazing. It needs to be a sticky. #truth

 

[The Duke]

It was stated earlier that women control the market and are ultimately the pickers & choosers when it comes to picking partners. That is all very true.....BUT.....it is us MEN that ultimately decide if a relationship persues and what type of relationship! Women still desire relationships and put a lot of importance on having one.

In every single relationship I've had it was always the woman that took her dating profile down first, asked "what are we", wanted to be exclusive, wanted to get engaged, wanted to be married. I have never been the first one to bring up any of that and I never will be. Because the one who cares the least about it, always has the most power.

 

[guru1000]

Yup. Women are the gatekeepers to sex. Men are the gatekeepers to relationships.

 

[Tenacity]

Yup. Women are the gatekeepers to sex. Men are the gatekeepers to relationships.

Urghh, I just don't think that's true anymore guys....but hey that's just me.

From my viewpoint, women are the gatekeepers to sex and relationships, but men are still the gatekeepers to sperm along with the vast majority of financial resources.

Women of today's market only need us for sperm and money, and the money part is slowly reducing as well due to women getting positions faster than a lot of men.

For example, over here on the black side, it's not uncommon to see many black men making far less than their chicks.

But I do realize that because I'm black and date majority black women, my experiences could be totally different than if you're a white guy dating mostly white women in a suburb setting.

It's why it was said at one point that black men were the original MGTOW. Black women are the most feminist group of women in the country.

 

[guru1000]

From my viewpoint, women are the gatekeepers to sex and relationships ...

Tenacity, I think you might just have just nailed a weakness in your game.

Think about if you met a woman on the first date, and within the first few minutes of meeting you, she asks to come into your car, opens her legs, and begs you to fvck her. Wouldn't you think something is wrong with this woman?

The reverse applies to men seeking relationships. When a man is vying to see a girl for the sole purpose of locking her down to exclusive relations, the woman thinks (although unconsciously) that something is wrong with this guy!

Science supports this point. While a woman produces one egg per month, and can be impregnated only once every 9 months, a man in the same nine months could impregnate countless women. Ergo, it's the woman's job to trap the man into exclusivity in those 9 months and thereafter to tend to her offspring, and not impregnate potentially hundreds of other women. It's not your job to chase exclusivity; it's hers.

 

[TheGambino]

These hoes aaaaaaint loyal

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Tenacity, I think you might just have just nailed a weakness in your game.

Think about if you met a woman on the first date, and within the first few minutes of meeting you, she asks to come into your car, opens her legs, and begs you to fvck her. Wouldn't you think something is wrong with this woman?

The reverse applies to men seeking relationships. When a man is vying to see a girl for the sole purpose of locking her down to exclusive relations, the woman thinks (although unconsciously) that something is wrong with this guy!

Science supports this point. While a woman produces one egg per month, and can be impregnated only once every 9 months, a man in the same nine months could impregnate countless women. Ergo, it's the woman's job to trap the man into exclusivity in those 9 months and thereafter to tend to her offspring, and not impregnate potentially hundreds of other women. It's not your job to chase exclusivity; it's hers.

Strong point Guru.

In a month, men can produce billions of sperm, but women only one egg. Men seek to dominate many; women seek to stabilize one.

Here is why following the breakup of an exclusive relationship, if a man were to initiate contact, it is unnatural and exemplifies weakness.