Let's Be Real Here Pt.4 - "GAME" alone cannot create physical attraction

[AmsterdamAssassin]

It seems that you have built and interesting, niche look. And you either screen for women that would go for the "artist" type or they even approach you.

I'm an artist and indeed, she approached me since she's a fashion designer and she needed my assistance with a performance that required my specific knowledge, but I found out later that she had been looking for me since she had briefly spoken to me at a Fire Jam.

 

[Smooth_texter]

You did had sex with a girl your height, this does not refute what I said previously

5’11 to 6’2 is not a small difference, she was with a head taller than you ( with no heels )

5’11 to 6’0 is a small difference

What women say and what actually happens have a decent amount of standard error. She would prefer you to be 2-3 inches taller than her, but is not really a must

But again your story and posts just confirm what I am saying, that in the vast majority of cases it is not about being 6’2 or whatever guys say, but more about not being shorter than her

Well, as I've said earlier, in my situation with that particular woman, being the same height as the 5'11'' was one of my disqualifiers for entering an LTR with her.

I actually think that tall women also prefer their partner to have enough of a height differential. One of the things that the mentioned 6'2'' woman was looking for was a man who is 6'5''-6'7'' tall.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Idk about you, but I aim to be like Gianluca Vacci, he's 5'8", looks like he's a lot fun, he seems an interesting person, and with money. And before you say something, what's stopping you to be like him? I'm pretty sure he doesn't come to forums like this one crying he's 5'8" and can't have girls.

He has a great physique for his age. I have managed to keep my abs yearly from ages 15/16 up to now. It would be interesting to see if I can do so in the next 20 yrs as well, without TRT and other enhancers.

You have to keep in mind that this guy's job for the last 10 yrs or has been to maintain his own social media brand. So not everything that he shows is his reality (kinda like an Italian middle aged Dan Bilzerian).

I also think that a life with endless hedonism is also not ideal, especially when nearing 60. That was one of my points in one of my threads - live your best life in your teens and twenties, and start gradually transitioning to building some kind of legacy. You can still have a mistress or two to keep things interesting.

 

[BadBoy89]

If you are her height, or let alone shorter, in real life there is a high chance that a woman will not take you seriously for an LTR.

Then shouldn't all posts have the disclaimer: "Get tall first. If you are not tall all the other advice given is garbage"

 

[Smooth_texter]

Then shouldn't all posts have the disclaimer: "Get tall first. If you are not tall all the other advice given is garbage"

More like "Height and looks are amplifiers. The more you have of them, the less of everything else you would need. And vice-versa"

I've posted a video of a Tinder/Instagram Chad four pages ago, who literally has no game. And his dating life seems ok.

Doesn't mean that a normal/a bit above normal guy should give up. It means that you should pick your targets more carefully and realistically, and put more work into building yourself up.

 

[Bigpapa]

Well, as I've said earlier, in my situation with that particular woman, being the same height as the 5'11'' was one of my disqualifiers for entering an LTR with her.

The threshold is higher for LTR than it is for a fling

Flings are mainly about sexual impulses, while LTRs are something quite logical and a lot of emphasis on other aspects of you that have nothing to do with looks

Extremely unlikely that you slept with her and the she told you “ you are a great guy but I can not have a relationship with you because you lack a couple of cm in height “

Most likely she liked you physically but she did not see a future with a guy like for various reasons

This height whining of guys with above average height is like a guy who has above average penis size and he is frustrated that he does not have it at least 20 cm ( like porn actors do ) and the reason on why girls do not want to sleep with him

If you go for girls that are maximum 1.65, 15-16cm is more than you can fit in without the girl feeling pain. So a bigger penis in this case is not really helpful

Maybe a 20cm penis for a 1.80’girl would make sense, but is not really needed

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Most likely she liked you physically but she did not see a future with a guy like for various reasons

I talked with a girl, who told me that she didn't want to have kids with a short man, because then her children would be short too.

 

[Bigpapa]

I talked with a girl, who told me that she didn't want to have kids with a short man, because then her children would be short too.

I really doubt that she would sleep with you but not date you

Or in the case you mentioned that she would have only slept with a guy if she thought he is short

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I really doubt that she would sleep with you but not date you

I'm not the short man in question (I'm 190cm tall), but I was taken aback by her insistence of avoiding short men for fatherhood.

 

[Bigpapa]

I'm not the short man in question (I'm 190cm tall), but I was taken aback by her insistence of avoiding short men for fatherhood.

I am not saying that some girls are not like that ( especially short girls - I guess the girl in question is short too - ), but for sure you can not only have sex with a girl that thinks like that ( she would f8ck the short guy but not date him )

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Depends on the girl. one of my longest LTRs was with a girl my height (5’6”-7”ish). We went so far as to start naming our potential kids.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I am not saying that some girls are not like that ( especially short girls - I guess the girl in question is short too - ), but for sure you can not only have sex with a girl that thinks like that ( she would f8ck the short guy but not date him )

I had sex with her first, then told her that I wouldn't consider her as a partner, because she probably came from short stock.

 

[BadBoy89]

More like "Height and looks are amplifiers. The more you have of them, the less of everything else you would need. And vice-versa"

Agree with first part of statement, Don’t agree with the “vice-versa” part.

A man can have a lot of money, if he doesn’t pass the height threshold, she won’t look at him.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

More like "Height and looks are amplifiers. The more you have of them, the less of everything else you would need. And vice-versa"

I've posted a video of a Tinder/Instagram Chad four pages ago, who literally has no game. And his dating life seems ok.

Doesn't mean that a normal/a bit above normal guy should give up. It means that you should pick your targets more carefully and realistically, and put more work into building yourself up.

Then shouldn't all posts have the disclaimer: "Get tall first. If you are not tall all the other advice given is garbage"

https://nypost.com/2016/12/30/science-says-these-are-the-men-who-will-make-you-orgasm/. Key quote: ‘while the intensity of their orgasms also depended on how good-looking their man is.’. Ultimately. women want to cvm & cvm hard. A handsome man, Not a Tall man, is the key to her nuclear Orgasms. (of course. If you’re tall & handsome -welcome to paradise).

 

[devilkingx2]

Face>Height
There are tall incels. There are no handsome incels.

That's definitely not true, Elliot Rodgers was famously a handsome incel.

He's a good example of the importance of game, you can pull defeat from the jaws of victory by saying/doing the wrong things even if you're wealthy and handsome.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That's definitely not true, Elliot Rodgers was famously a handsome incel.

He's a good example of the importance of game, you can pull defeat from the jaws of victory by saying/doing the wrong things even if you're wealthy and handsome.

ER Handsome???
Well. I certainly agree that incompetent game can be disastrous. Even if one is great in other aspects.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

There are no such things as "game".

What we consider "game" is that set of skills that is the result of your physicall attractiveness and the feedbacks it gets you, the life experiences you had both in terms of actions and successes while in some part the direct knowledge you aquired from studies or general experiences not necessarily related to women.

This is why the advice about "being more confident" or "step up your game" is a non sense for most men struggling.

Attraction however, natural genuine attraction is biologically driven not socially driven.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

There are no such things as "game".

What we consider "game" is that set of skills that is the result of your physicall attractiveness and the feedbacks it gets you, the life experiences you had both in terms of actions and successes while in some part the direct knowledge you aquired from studies or general experiences not necessarily related to women.

This is why the advice about "being more confident" or "step up your game" is a non sense for most men struggling.

Attraction however, natural genuine attraction is biologically driven not socially driven.

wasn’t it Rollo who said something like ‘attraction is non-negotiable’?

 

[devilkingx2]

And by "GAME" I mean all verbal, text and behavioral methods used to famoose a woman into either a date, sex, relationship and so on.

Game is important for a woman, to see that the guy is not a social retard and has had experience. However, it alone cannot spark physical attraction, which is important both in a ONS and in a 20 year marriage (the lack of which would result in a "dead bedroom")

I once won all the girls at my workplace over with my charisma, and then when new girls were hired they were immediately interested in me because I had a ton of social proof from being well liked by so many women.

But then when disaster struck and my reputation took a nosedive due to drama, suddenly none of the girls even wanted to call me their friend.

It's possible that this was due to me being absurdly handsome. But I would personally attribute it to good game (charisma) causing me to have a ton of social proof in an enclosed environment until it all went wrong.

 

[AttackFormation]

I once won all the girls at my workplace over with my charisma, and then when new girls were hired they were immediately interested in me because I had a ton of social proof from being well liked by so many women.

But then when disaster struck and my reputation took a nosedive due to drama, suddenly none of the girls even wanted to call me their friend.

It's possible that this was due to me being absurdly handsome. But I would personally attribute it to good game (charisma) causing me to have a ton of social proof in an enclosed environment until it all went wrong.

What went wrong?