YouTuber does 100 ask outs to overcome fear of rejection

[GoodMan32]

"Feminism"(Whatever the hell THAT word means anymore)has played a role in the less than complimentary way men, as a class, are viewed, in the same way organized religion has played a role in creating stigmas around homosexuals, this is true

The only way such prejudices are reduced*... A large percentage of those within whichever demographic the public currently has unkind thoughts about have to go out into our neighborhoods, and defy the stereotypes about themselves. So it's going to be with modern men, when it comes to fighting back against the aftermath of MeToo


*Yes, I said "reduced", not "defeated". Prejudices, biases, and outright hate never vanish entirely

I'm going to address your comment about going out into our neighborhoods and defying the stereotypes.

If a man were to go out into his neighborhood and do day game, couldn't that end up further solidifying the feminists' idea that men are dogs?

Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying day game is bad. All I'm saying is it's a lot harder to change a feminist's mind (or even reduce her negative opinion of us) than you're making it sound.

I'm aware prejudices can never go away entirely. With harsh enough punishments against acting on prejudices, however, it's possible to scare the vast majority of others into treating you well (and on the rare occassion one treats you poorly anyway, at least you can rest assured justice will be served)

 

[GoodMan32]

I know you might be venting, but again, blaming external factors like feminist views is an excuse that avoids taking responsibility for personal growth. Instead of focusing on societal influences, it’s more productive to develop your own confidence and dating skills.

I don't want to go off on a tangent, but I've mentioned multiple times that I've rarely encountered feminists in real life. It feels like a myth people complain about— or maybe my sense of purpose and strong frame make me indifferent to such petty things.

I've mentioned on this forum before that I hold extreme political beliefs (which I won't get into on here, as we aren't a political forum)

Most of the general population I run into has no idea of my political beliefs (because I hide my beliefs). It's highly possible you run into feminists galore (but they merely hide their feminist beliefs from you)

 

[BaronOfHair]

If a man were to go out into his neighborhood and do day game, couldn't that end up further solidifying the feminists' idea that men are dogs?

I'm speaking to something far more fundamental than "game", the likes of which we've discussed in prior threads https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/looksmaxxing-goes-mainstream.282162/#post-3117651 https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/gent-z.282185/

There's no changing the minds of those feminists who are convinced that men are hardwired to be rapists and oppressors, but we can definitely weaken their influence over society's perception of us, by doing things as seeemingly mundane as being conscientious of how we look when we leave our homes each day

From '16-today, we've sneered at such practices as "LooksMaxxing", even though said practices("Treat yourself well... You just may find that the rest of the world warms up to you more readily also")were self-evident to men in the far-from-ancient past

 

[BaronOfHair]

Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying day game is bad. All I'm saying is it's a lot harder to change a feminist's mind (or even reduce her negative opinion of us) than you're making it sound

Getting out of bed at a decent time each morning is a lot tougher than it sounds often times, as is not allowing ourselves to be baited into an argument, each time some jacka-s out in the field neighs a snide, snippy remark in our direction

Somehow though, we manage to throw the sheets off and get our feet onto the ground, then move forward + Either ignore the jacka-s's neighing, or issue a measured yet firm response, such as "You know you'd get your mouth knocked off your face if you spoke like that to someone in a bar, so don't pull that crap here. Socially acceptable behavior remains a prerequisite for us all, even when we're in environments which aren't generally as raucous as that bar I just mentioned"

 

[Vanderdonck]

That is a very tone deaf statement that ignores the fact about the real risks to social and career reputation guys face if they make the wrong approach to the wrong woman.

So don't do it the wrong way. Asking for directions or earnestly complimenting her style = normal. Ambushing and street spamming and catcalling and pressuring = creepy.

Any time anywhere you speak to a female stranger, it has to start innocuously. Same way you would talk to a dude. Don't overthink it.

All the pages and pages discussing methods and numbers and approaches are kind of silly. Simply because she has T&A suddenly it's a science. If you're polite and she's a cvnt the world will not side with her.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Hi Clockwerk,
Well aint you lucky!....I have worked on and off in Academia,where Feminism is dominant amongst the Female Staff...And dont they make a Mazooma on it?...Before I jumped Ship,they had instituted a new policy that all appointments must be considered tentative until HR had approached all potentially likely lasses even vaguely in the area,the basis being that if they wanted the position,they didn't have to prove suitabilty,rather that the School involved had show that they were incapable of carrying out the Duty Statement...Resultrofound deterioration in Standards and paradoxically,"burn out" and nervous breakdowns amongst the anointed few!

When I think of feminists, I think of revolutionaries, social justice warriors, and people protesting for support—something like the link below.

Most women do open up about their beliefs, principles, and hobbies, and I listen without judgment or labeling, in a non-threatening way. After all, it's what gives each individual their own identity and personality. Unless you're looking for a relationship, arguing about such things is usually pointless.

I'm not sure if I fully understood what you meant, but it seems somewhat similar to the diversity and inclusion policies that are common in today's corporate world. There's little point in complaining about it, since that's the direction the world is heading. Complaining about it seems to be the antithesis of the feminist and SJW movements—just the opposite. Ironically, both sides often have an inflated sense of self-righteousness.

Again, maybe I've encountered these individuals, but they haven’t made enough of an impression on me to feel threatened by them in any way. It is not the type of women I go for anyway.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I've mentioned on this forum before that I hold extreme political beliefs (which I won't get into on here, as we aren't a political forum)

Most of the general population I run into has no idea of my political beliefs (because I hide my beliefs). It's highly possible you run into feminists galore (but they merely hide their feminist beliefs from you)

You might be onto something.

I am skeptical about their numbers in the wild; I believe they are fewer than they appear.

 

[zekko]

No it's called if you act like a normal person and have a normal conversation women won't think you are a weirdo and you don't have to worry about that.

The best way to interact with women (or anyone, for that matter) is to not have any expectations from them.

 

[GoodMan32]

Getting out of bed at a decent time each morning is a lot tougher than it sounds often times, as is not allowing ourselves to be baited into an argument, each time some jacka-s out in the field neighs a snide, snippy remark in our direction

Somehow though, we manage to throw the sheets off and get our feet onto the ground, then move forward + Either ignore the jacka-s's neighing, or issue a measured yet firm response, such as "You know you'd get your mouth knocked off your face if you spoke like that to someone in a bar, so don't pull that crap here. Socially acceptable behavior remains a prerequisite for us all, even when we're in environments which aren't generally as raucous as that bar I just mentioned"

Unfortunately, being a socially awkward autist who weighs less than the typical woman, the response you suggested would lead to me getting my mouth knocked off.

 

[GoodMan32]

So don't do it the wrong way. Asking for directions or earnestly complimenting her style = normal. Ambushing and street spamming and catcalling and pressuring = creepy.

Any time anywhere you speak to a female stranger, it has to start innocuously. Same way you would talk to a dude. Don't overthink it.

All the pages and pages discussing methods and numbers and approaches are kind of silly. Simply because she has T&A suddenly it's a science. If you're polite and she's a cvnt the world will not side with her.

The internet is full of vids where a White person is getting brutalized by another race; the comment sections of said vids are full of comments along the lines of "We don't know what went down before the filming. Maybe he/she used a racial slur"

Same concept for a woman acting like a cvnt toward a man who approaches her. If a vid of her response were to go viral, there would be comments galore saying stuff like "We don't know what he did before the filming. He probably brought it on himself"

 

[Clockwerk50]

No it's called if you act like a normal person and have a normal conversation women won't think you are a weirdo and you don't have to worry about that.

The reason why these people have this issue is because they lack social skills and act strange and are viewed as weird as creepy.

Which they are based on the way they act around women usually.

Seduction follows a natural pace and rhythm. In the beginning, people should be cautious and indirect, using neutral words to make the other person feel at ease, before gradually shifting to more intimate or playful language in the next phase.

For example, people could start with light, friendly conversation, like discussing mutual interests or sharing a funny story. Then, as you build rapport, you might introduce more personal or flirtatious remarks to create a deeper connection.

I feel that "creepy" or socially awkward individuals with no experience often misunderstand this two-step system. They either go too direct and for the jugular too early, turning people off, or they act overly friendly when they should be more confident and direct.

 

[GoodMan32]

I told a female coworker about the social experiment where a YouTuber asked out 100 girls.

I gave her the basic information: The YouTuber was 24, slightly above average in looks, and everyone he asked out appeared to be 18-30. I also told her he didn't have much of a lead-up (He just blurted out "Would you go on a date with me?")

I then had her guess how many girls said yeah.

She guessed 75. Which goes to show how out of touch the typical woman is with how hard it is for men.

 

[GoodMan32]

Seduction follows a natural pace and rhythm. In the beginning, people should be cautious and indirect, using neutral words to make the other person feel at ease, before gradually shifting to more intimate or playful language in the next phase.

For example, people could start with light, friendly conversation, like discussing mutual interests or sharing a funny story. Then, as you build rapport, you might introduce more personal or flirtatious remarks to create a deeper connection.

I feel that "creepy" or socially awkward individuals with no experience often misunderstand this two-step system. They either go too direct and for the jugular too early, turning people off, or they act overly friendly when they should be more confident and direct.

You're right that we're prone to being too direct too early.

Unfortunately (which you touched upon), we're also prone to overcorrecting in the opposite direction.

I myself was too direct in my younger days, then ended up becoming the type of overcorrecter I just mentioned as I've gotten older.

All in all, we have a hard time finding the happy medium.

 

[corrector]

So don't do it the wrong way. Asking for directions or earnestly complimenting her style = normal. Ambushing and street spamming and catcalling and pressuring = creepy.

Any time anywhere you speak to a female stranger, it has to start innocuously. Same way you would talk to a dude. Don't overthink it.

All the pages and pages discussing methods and numbers and approaches are kind of silly. Simply because she has T&A suddenly it's a science. If you're polite and she's a cvnt the world will not side with her.

Asking for directions or time went with the smartphone. Everyone uses the smartphone, plus over entitled women would see it as a lame pick up.

 

[GoodMan32]

Asking for directions or time went with the smartphone. Everyone uses the smartphone, plus over entitled women would see it as a lame pick up.

Asking for directions doesn't happen very often anymore, yeah.

I recall a time in 2016-ish when a young woman asked me for directions. I gave her directions. If I could go back, I would have told her "I love to help a beautiful woman"

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I recall a time in 2016-ish when a young woman asked me for directions. I gave her directions. If I could go back, I would have told her "I love to help a beautiful woman"

"It's a shame you're such an ugly young hag. If only you were twenty years older..."

 

[GoodMan32]

"It's a shame you're such an ugly young hag. If only you were twenty years older..."

Very funny.

You know why I prefer older. You know damn well I still find younger attractive.

 

[GoodMan32]

I would want to know how American men would do in America doing this.



Getting 16% yes answers with no lead ups on pure street game (the hardest form of game) is good. He might have only minimally tried to qualify prospects by going to a part of that city that is more unmarrieds.

Tom Torero provided estimates about success rates with daygame. Tom Torero's info would be more reliable that this YouTube video you shared.

The Art of Daygame Seduction – Tom Torero - Alpha Male 2.0

Today’s article is written by my favorite daygame guy, Tom Torero. There is also a FREE audio component to this article, available for everyone. Tom will also be replying in the comments. Take it away, Tom!

alphamale20.com

Based on this, a daygamer would need to approach 75 women to get 19 phone numbers, 4-5 dates, and 1 new sexual partner. That's using a strong systematic approach like the London Daygame Model. I think a lot of daygamers need to approach more than 75 women to find a new sexual partner.

I think that most daygamers will need to do over 100 approaches to get a sexual partner and it will take a lot of time to do that. I don't think most men can 'spam' daygame to shorten that time and I don't think there's a desire on the part of most men to 'spam' daygame.

Another thing I meant to mention about the Tom Torero link: He says to get her number; don't just offer yours.

I totally am aware it's ideal to get her number. If only one party gives their number, however, there's a certain benefit that comes from the man being the one to give it.

If a woman gives a number, there's a decent chance it will be a fake number.

On the other hand, it's practically unheard of for a man to give a woman a fake number.

So at least when the man gives his number, it's (theoretically) possible for the 2 parties to connect.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Another thing I meant to mention about the Tom Torero link: He says to get her number; don't just offer yours.
I totally am aware it's ideal to get her number. If only one party gives their number, however, there's a certain benefit that comes from the man being the one to give it.
If a woman gives a number, there's a decent chance it will be a fake number.
On the other hand, it's practically unheard of for a man to give a woman a fake number.
So at least when the man gives his number, it's (theoretically) possible for the 2 parties to connect.

What use is a telephone number to you when you cannot date normally anyway? You're drowning yourself in theory while you don't take action?

 

[corrector]

Another thing I meant to mention about the Tom Torero link: He says to get her number; don't just offer yours.

I totally am aware it's ideal to get her number. If only one party gives their number, however, there's a certain benefit that comes from the man being the one to give it.

If a woman gives a number, there's a decent chance it will be a fake number.

On the other hand, it's practically unheard of for a man to give a woman a fake number.

So at least when the man gives his number, it's (theoretically) possible for the 2 parties to connect.

Yeah, theoretically all right.