"You're a nice person"

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Holy crap floyd, I liked your posts in the past but seriously...where do you live? If you have a fun personality around girls, you will realize that they aren't these crazy beings that you make them out to be.

I live in Los Angeles and I'm not some "super hot" guy, yet I hardly ever get blown out of a set. Girls are cool here. I hold eye contact and smile at girls as I walk by them and 50% of the time they smile back.

Girls are usually friendly. It's something that I didn't believe until I started talking to them. I didn't get my first kiss until I was 21...and I still am 21. I thought girls were evil until I learned the game and started interacting with them when I was around 20. Girls like sex, but they aren't as mean and openly hurtful as you say they are.
 

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I used to live in the upper Midwest, and the girls there were horrible. Where I stayed had bars and parties everywhere. But it was mostly the girls I went for, and associated with. That's why I always mention the decent girls not being this way. I was part of the popular / party / bar-hopping / social / shallow crowd. Most of the girls in this scene were hot and fake. Blondie ho's, I like to call them. They all had issues, were alcoholics, partied constantly, *****d around, etc. Crazy *****es, really. Bottom of the barrel. But they all appeared decent at first. This is not all women.

But, I've talked to the OP in private, and he went after the same kind of skanks (though not hot, apparently). So, that's where that came from. Just relating his stories to my issues with the same type of person. I always make it known that its a certain kind of girl that is this way. He showed me messages and claims about how they acted, and they were right down my alley.

I actually heard horrible things about the women in LA, so that's a little suprising to hear. Here in North Carolina, the people overall are so much better. Friendly and down to earth. Decent, real people. Where I'm from, everyone is fake, shallow, and two-faced. Douche bags and skanks everywhere. Drama is their life. A lot of broken homes, and troubled people who turn to drinking, drugs, and sex. That's their whole lifestyle, and I was caught up in it for years. So, there's definitely a lot of resentment from that area, and the crowds I associated with.
 

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I have a nice guy look by nature, too. I'm not the best with women, yet, but I'm not doing too bad by the standards of the average guy. I know lots of guys who are very successful with women who have boyish or effeminate looks. Justin Bieber literally looks like he is a 14 year old girl, and I have no doubt that he pulls some tail. Even if he wasn't famous, he would be pulling tail.

You need a better attitude.
 

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I was just focusing on the women who don't like me. If a woman is looking for a hunk, a guy that she can show off to her friends, a "cool guy" musclehead, pretty boy, status guy, etc., I'm not him. Luckily not all women are like that and I am attractive to some women including women that I would like back. I just have to focus on the positive (I mean I was on a date with a girl I found attractive just a month ago and made out with her...she turned out to be a psycho...but the fact is, a woman I thought was cute and I'm picky was interested back.)

It just gets frustrating when women (even if they are the shallow b1tchy type) assume you are boring/look down on you as if you're not even human/point you out in public for no reason just because you look a little nerdy. I don't laugh at/point out UGs/warpigs/fat women etc. . And I'm not ugly to begin with.
 

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OP: The best way to deal with that is to understand and accept that not everyone is a good person. Not everyone is nice, upstanding, good-hearted, respectful, considerate, has morals, etc. This has NOTHING to do with you - this is all on them, and how they treat others. I can almost guarantee that this is how they act towards everyone - because its in their personality to do so. They just might act nice when they're interested in someone, and want to win them over. It's a charade. Once they accomplish that - you can bet that they're going to treat them the same way. Only, they're going to continue abusing them forever. That's what they do. That's also why they are magnets for attracting jerks - because its what they are themselves.

Bullies and jerks do exist out there. You can be as decent and wonderful as you want to be - they're still not going to change. You are not them. Not everyone has basic human decency towards others. You can question, dislike, and not understand it until the end of time - its just the way they are. Forget them. They're the ones with the problem, and aren't worth worrying about at all. Let that **** slide right off you. People can be very cruel. Don't allow them to get to you, because that's what they want. Always be the bigger man, hold your head up high, and pay no attention to losers. Laugh at them, even - for being so weak, insecure, and cowardly.

They might nitpick specific flaws to make it seem like YOU are the one who's flawed, but nah, its all them. They are the problem. Nice people with sufficient self-esteem do NOT act this way. Only the miserable jerks do.
 

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Thanks. Good stuff, Floyd.

Like you mentioned also, women like this date guys just like them, then complain about the guys or say "I can't find a good guy"...when they aren't a good person themselves in the first place.

Like you said, even b1tches don't want to think of themselves as bad people.
 

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Floyd, your stuff here, particularly this thread, has been EXTREMELY enlightening. I'm not just saying it to butter you up, I genuinely mean it.

Sure, I've known that there are shallow b*tches out there. That's common knowledge. But I don't think I've ever heard a guy who spent a LOT of time with those girls explain it quite the way you did.

I remember one night I was at a club (I know, I know lol) and as usual, I got a number of rejections from your typical shallow girls. Anyway, burned out by rejections, I decided to take a break and just enjoy my drink and the music. Finally, this very cute blonde HB8 waves me over to her TABLE.

HB: You look bored. Come sit with me.

Mike: <Shocked but pleased> Sure.

<Cuddling by the table>

HB: I'm Jenny. Don't waste your time with these b*tches here lol.

HB and Mike: blah blah blah

Anyway, we had a great conversation, connection, and I got her number. Even SHE KNEW that I deserved better than was there.
 

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floydb25 said:
I actually heard horrible things about the women in LA, so that's a little suprising to hear.
That's exactly my point. You must have been doing something wrong if a noobie like me can do well with LA girls. A lot of girls in LA are stuck up, but I still get a positive response from them. There are plenty of decent girls out here. Not girls that are virgin angels, but girls that ARE relationship material. I know because I have friends that are in relationships, and I know the girls' social circles.

If you were beat down by girls at some time in your life, or if you had a bad experience with them, this will radiate off you. Not only girls, but people in general can sense the bitterness.

My friend was stationed at Ft. Bragg. He just got out last summer at age 21 and we went to his first California bar together. He wouldn't stop complaining about how the girls weren't approaching him. I told him, "Dude, you're not even talking to them so shut up." And he went on to tell me how girls in North Carolina approach YOU. A whole different ball game I guess. He just didn't know how it was here in Cali, and it turned into bitterness for him.
 

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Mike: That's the hardest hurdle to overcome for most people. When you get rejected so many times, it kind of wears you out, and makes you feel unworthy. This is where a lot of people conclude that they're worthless, no one can ever like them, they don't need anyone, etc, and start pushing people away who ARE showing interest, and acting like jerks in general. It's a good thing you didn't do that.

That's why I always say you can't let rejection get to you. It says nothing about you as a person. There is ALWAYS someone who does or will like you. Gotta always remember that, and keep your head up high. Acting like a jerk and pushing everyone away just makes everything worse, and allows those fears to build up. That's why a lot of nice guys end up being such huge jerks - because they're consumed by fear, hate, anger, bitterness, and it all just keeps building up to unhealthy levels. That's no way to live.

OC: There's nothing I did wrong. Like I said, I was accepted / liked / wanted by these girls. I wasn't at the brunt end of their abuse. But I saw how they treated those they weren't interested in, and looked down upon - as I was dating them. Also, how they'd brag about all the guy friends they used, how everyone wanted them, etc. I got a first-hand glimpse of this by being with them - not as the nice guy doormats they treated like ****. I saw it as it was happening to others. It wasn't happening to me. All they cared about was looks and status. If I didn't have either - I'd be the one they were doing this to. They'd literally compliment me for being hot, asking for sex, etc - while saying another guy is ugly and stupid, and how they'd never date them for these reasons. They'd insult them to me - like I was supposed to be impressed.

As for your friend: again, strange. People here are very reserved and closed off. Women don't approach ****, and don't talk much, but they are friendly and pleasant. People in general aren't very social; there are no large crowds or anything. But with that comes very little to no drama. It's kind of boring, but peaceful. In the Midwest, women did a lot of approaching, but there were mostly players, *****s, and jerks. They were everywhere, as were huge social crowds. I'd prefer a woman not approach. They're usually not as aggressive, bossy, *****y, etc that way. Similar to how all the jerks approach women - all the *****es approach guys.

As stated in the very first response - I am not speaking from the bitter experience of being rejected and unaccepted. Women always approached me; I never had problems getting dates and having girls showing interest. At least, not once I hit 25 or so. I could go most anywhere and have women flirting with me - without doing anything. So its not that at all. It's the way they treated others that bugged me, and how they carried themselves in general. Not caring about anyone, using people, treating them like crap, jumping from one guy to the next, being shallow, only wanting sex, and all that stuff. I seen it happen constantly, and was mixed up in it a couple few times. Being hot and popular doesn't give you free reign to treat people like disposable garbage, and not have any decency whatsoever. Just because you can act like a stuck up ***** or ******* - doesn't mean you should.

Agreed on the bitterness and resentment, though. Everyone knows I'm not a big fan of women in general. Or people, really. I give off a lot of vibes, or so I'm told. I'm well aware of these things. Changing the kind of people you associate with helps a tremendous deal. There's a lot of nice, decent people here. Getting used to it and not jumping to conclusions is the hard part.
 

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well rhcp, you need to realise how the mind works.

On my 8th birthday I wished to myself that I could get a girlfriend. I didn't tell anybody and I was confident the dream would come true within 1 year. Didn't happen. This is just to illustrate the effect that the environment can have on a person. Why the whole boyfriend girlfriend thing? If I was 8 years old I could have just hung out with any girl I wanted to, which I did. I didn't want a girlfriend out of some innate urge, I just wanted a girlfriend because society told me to, like they want you to get pokemon. They tell you it's cool and since you want to be cool, you want the thing.

Now, I recently did a shroom trip, and I realised that my mother never breastfed me. I was like HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY crap. All this yearning for titties is simply because I didn't get enough titties as an infant.

Then I had lots of friends who could get a girlfriend at the drop of a dime. I would just be talking about my horny fantasies and what I would do, and how bad I wanna fvck and what-not. I could never get a GF, and they could do it easily.

I think it may be because of their parents' relationships. See, I never once saw my parents kiss each other on the lips. I just heard of the fantasy of a guy-girl relationship, but I never really saw the dynamics of it. I never got to see a guy and a girl be *friends*.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we get an idea in our head which isn't really connected to reality, though we think it is, and we attach our ego to it.

We say: "I have to play with a girls vagina or else I won't be cool!". Then we place too much value on the vagina. We want to play with it, but we don't know how.

The only way to really naturally get into the position of playing with a vagina, is to not WANT to play with the vagina. That's the whole male-female dynamic to this very day. You can want the vag, but you can't be 100% focussed on it. If you see the vagina as an added bonus that you get once you get your game on-point, instead of the end-goal, then things would be a lot easier.

Vagina isn't the end goal. Vagina is the prize that you get for fine-tuning your game. I spent all these years focussing on the vagina instead of on the game.

The good thing is, game can be applied to men as well, for instance in business. That's why a woman needs to know you have proper game. She needs to trust that you will not let another man screw you over. So consider women a gift, for forcing you to work so hard on yourself. If you were to get pvssy easily you might not even want to work on your own personality, because you wouldn't see any of the flaws in it. Happens to plenty of AFC's who remain content in ****ty relationships.

So maybe this dry spell of yours is just simply what you needed to really wake up your dormant drive to work on yourself.

You made a first step by coming to the site and looking for answers. I'm sure you've heard plenty of answers and the ones that you repeat to yourself are probably the ones you should work on.

Me, for example, I need a license. I complained about getting a license on this forum plenty of times, because not having one is holding me back mentally. So I decided recently to make plans for a test. Don't just plan on doing something. MAKE the plan to do something. Set yourself a goal that you can reach, whatever will work on your game, and reach the goal.

Maybe you need to read some books about game? Maybe you need to spend some time in the clubs. Maybe you need to work on your looks, clothes and grooming. Maybe you need to work on your confidence and inner game, which is derived from whatever you're skilled at. Maybe you need to work on your cash flow.

Whatever it is, make a PLAN to take care of it, and take care of it. Once you make plans, you will get the ball rolling, and things will come together.
 

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One thing I definitely agree with you about is that I have sex on a pedestal. Not necessarily women or pvssy, but the whole experience of sex.

Like I said, I've done everything else. It's kind of funny, because I remember before I met the first girl I dated, I was obsessed with big boobs. You might say, what guy isn't, but I only seemed to notice big breasted/flat chested women and would deduct points if the woman didn't have them.

So the first girl I dated was not only cute/borderline hot but also had the big breasts I'd always been searching for. And though breasts are great to look at/feel/svck etc., I was like "that's it?" Now they're a bonus on a woman, not a requirement.

My point being...I have sex on a pedestal because I haven't experienced all of it. Like I said, I was in bed with a girl, did everything else (well I didn't eat her out, but tit feeling/svcking/fvcking/fingered her/got bjs/dry humped...she said no go on the sex, and then I blew the whole thing by being clingy/needy a short while later.)

The good news is, when I'm out with women, like when I was on that date a month ago, I'm not focused on sex. I can have convos with women/enjoy just spending time with a woman. We spent 4 hours talking and made out at the end. A lot of guys would consider the date a failure if they had it since it didn't end in sex, or result in a second date that could lead to sex. To me, I said "Well I handled myself well with a difficult woman and got a makeout session (she was a b1tch, like the type that admits she is lol)...I proved I can get a date with and attract a woman that was my type physically."

I just don't like the fact that it seems like if you want to have sex with a woman (at least if she isn't crazy/fat/warpig/not your type at all) that you have to climb mount everest if you aren't super hot or a manipulator/player. Guy goes on date with girl...isn't concerned about every small personality or "chemistry" detail. If the convo went decent enough and he thought she was attractive, he will go on other dates with her. Women, it's like you have to be their dream guy, for every detail to go right, to get to the point where you get in their pants or even get in a position of heavy foreplay.

I can't speak for bar/club/party slvts...not my scene from experience and not the type to do something I don't like just because women might be there.
 

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rhcp83 said:
I was just focusing on the women who don't like me. If a woman is looking for a hunk, a guy that she can show off to her friends, a "cool guy" musclehead, pretty boy, status guy, etc., I'm not him. Luckily not all women are like that and I am attractive to some women including women that I would like back. I just have to focus on the positive (I mean I was on a date with a girl I found attractive just a month ago and made out with her...she turned out to be a psycho...but the fact is, a woman I thought was cute and I'm picky was interested back.)

It just gets frustrating when women (even if they are the shallow b1tchy type) assume you are boring/look down on you as if you're not even human/point you out in public for no reason just because you look a little nerdy. I don't laugh at/point out UGs/warpigs/fat women etc. . And I'm not ugly to begin with.
On that latter point, it can be difficult when that happens to you on one day and you go away thinking 'what is the matter with some people?' when they heckle you or make assumptions.

People probably gossip about me being a 'dark horse' on days when I project misery that everyone says 'tsk, tsk, that won't get you employed for a job, will it?', but at least I'm being honest. It's my view of the world and I'm sticking to it. Life is like the movies in that girls prefer pretty boys. End of. I should have realised this sooner, spending too long going on a downward spiral and becoming a social recluse, not approaching women, surrendering my self-esteem and self-respect. My world is very small, I trust very very few people, and I have dropped the bar pretty low these days in most aspects of life.

Seriously, why the heck should I go out and fight for a girl I like? Because I can?

C'mon, you would tell if a girl was interested the moment she spots you and declares she would shag you- that's how love begins in the real world. I got this from the girls in pubs and clubs, you know not often getting out to those places some days because of limited means of transport and money I think is not a massive loss.
 
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rhcp83 said:
I just don't like the fact that it seems like if you want to have sex with a woman (at least if she isn't crazy/fat/warpig/not your type at all) that you have to climb mount everest if you aren't super hot or a manipulator/player. Guy goes on date with girl...isn't concerned about every small personality or "chemistry" detail. If the convo went decent enough and he thought she was attractive, he will go on other dates with her. Women, it's like you have to be their dream guy, for every detail to go right, to get to the point where you get in their pants or even get in a position of heavy foreplay.

I can't speak for bar/club/party slvts...not my scene from experience and not the type to do something I don't like just because women might be there.
I don't think that's entirely true. You just have to be able to tell the tell-tale signs. There was a girl once who I once knew from school right, she was a complete ***** who I didn't ever want to talk to. I ran into her at a party(it was a local holiday), and she said something to me like: "didn't you make out with some girl from school??" and I said: "no", but I was thinking: "but I soon will!!".

All I had to do was follow her around for a few hours and I got the make-out.

Eventually I got her into my bed, about 6 months and only 2 dates later, but I stupidly tried to reason her into giving me the pvssy when she put up Last Minute Resistance, and it didn't work out. Never saw her again.

I didn't have to be a prince charming. She accidentally dropped a verbal que that she wanted me, so I just waited around.

Another time I was standing outside a bar, and this little russian girl asked me for a lighter, and I suddenly knew it was on. I just had to hang around her long enough for her to lose track of her friends, then I fvcked her on the beach that night. It's because of the buying temperature. Nothing special I did, she was hot and she wanted it. See, you need to learn the value of your PENIS. It can really save the day for some girls, you just have to be there at the right time to do the job.

These easy girls are generally low quality, but they will give you the pvssy very easily. You shouldn't care too much about their opinions and idea's and bullsh!t about bullsh!t. You only want their pvssy. Don't worry if "she's not a girl like others", or "that guy was really flirting with her", or "she has really high standards" or "she's doesn't want to be hurt". That's nothing but ****-tests and baggage. You just want the pvssy; in and out.

If you don't go to the bar very much, you may get some easy girls, simply because you don't have 'manipulative player' written all over you. The easier girls try to avoid me now, I guess I look too much like a player. But you may attract girls that want to play it safe. These girls usually are bursting with sexual energy. It's the slvts that fvck around a lot, and hit the club often that will brush you off for trivial crap.

You should go there on a thursday or sunday night. Just shave, put something slick in your hair, put on a nice button-down longsleeve shirt, jeans and black shoes, then hit the club and drink a few beers with the bartender, and make small-talk with the girls. Practice the alpha body language, practice the eye-contact. You'll notice, as you mingle, how the girls react instantly to changes in your body language and social value. If you say you don't like the club scene because it's not your style, you are missing out on one hell of a training ground.
 
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