"You're a nice person"

[rhcp83]

After hearing this recently from a girl (who didn't even know me at all), everything struck me at once...the reason I'm still a virgin, the reason I don't attract many women in general.

I look "nice." Facial hair, shaved head, muscles, etc would never change that. I have a face that looks nice/innocent. (I do work out, for myself not women...have shaved my head...tried facial hair...just looked scary and not in the alpha way.)

As a result, I attract "nice" women or no women at all...born again virgins...women with past baggage...nerdy women (not a problem, I like some of them, but they tend to be prudy...like genuine nerds, not just the fashion)...girl next door women.

Women don't see me as "sexual." When I act more assertive, it just comes off as "creepy" since it doesn't match my look.

I don't like to rant a lot, it's pointless, but enough is enough. I mean, I'm 28 and a virgin (technically you could say I'm not I guess, I've done everything else...made out with a few women...with the first girl I dated, felt her up, sucked her t1ts, titi fvcked her, fingered her, got bjs, dry humped etc.) but still haven't had intercourse and other than the first girl, have not even come close to having an opportunity.

(The first girl later revealed that the reason she was fooling around in the first place is because I was overly persistent and she felt she had to keep up with me and didn't want to lose me.)

I've spent the last couple years on pof and the like, looking for someone to meet for sex. (I don't ask for sex, I just game regular.) It reached a point last May where I messaged hundreds of women one night on pof and okcupid, regardless of what they looked like, then brought myself to the hospital and was in tears (the first time I'd cried since maybe age 14...and I've been through a lot worse.)

I told the admittance people "I think about women and sex all the time." The two guys laughed and said "Join the club." I said "Well I mean literally 99.9 percent of the time and spend my free time begging women on the internet to meet me in hopes of getting sex."

Now it's reached a point where I made a profile (without a picture) and saying pics available upon request, telling my story and seeing if any women bite. (Of course I know this won't work, but it's just how low it's gotten.)

I'd pay for it at this point if I had the money and it weren't so complicated (the guys I know that go to escorts make it sound like something out of a James Bond movie...secretive...taking the chance that she'll run away with the money etc.)

I'd just like to know what the big deal is. The rest of the stuff isn't. It's good stuff, but no big deal. But I'm 28...not ugly, pretty tall, in shape. Just because I don't look "rough" doesn't mean I should be a virgin.

And for the "game" people...save it. Game means nothing if the woman doesn't like your look from the start. She has to be interested to hear what you have to say.

I'm just so frustrated right now and feel like it's absolutely hopeless unless I were to settle for some psycho sex crazed warpig.

 

[LoneWolf]

True... needs to be attraction. I don't really have a problem with that.. my problem is after.. trying to keep a girl. I've never had a long relationship.. I dunno, they just get sick of me. I guess I'm a boring person, but meh, that's me. I stay home a lot. The only time I go out with them is if they drive cause I can't be stuffed. Also I get needy sometmes and the other girl just wants to fuk around while I'm looking for relationships. Even not long ago, this girl literally told me, I just want to be friends, but we can still fool around. I made a mistake and email her telling her how much I like her. We don't talk anymore.

Oh and about internet dating sites, okcupid and all that? Oh my lord... I wasted so many hours on that. Like you, sending hundreds of messages for hours all night. I have met a few girls from those sites, fuked two of them. But I'm telling you it was not worth all the trouble. I had to do so much just to get to that point. I got rejected so much on those sites it hurts a little inside. 99% of those girls are looking for Brad Pitt's. I tried any girls, lowered my standards. I got a few cuties, but again... not worth it man. It's probably easier to meet a hot girl at a night club in 5 minutes lol. I know I can do that easily... I just hate those places.

About the virginity thing, it's not that big of a deal man. Just go with the flow and don't try so hard to lose it. Usually when I meet girls it's when I don't give a sh!t about anything and they just come out of no where. It'll happen man

 

[floydb25]

(This is in response to both this thread, and the private messages you sent me.)

Most women are shallow, man. I speak not from the bitter experience of being rejected and shunned, but of being accepted and "good enough". The things they say are very shallow in nature. The way they flirt and conversate is shallow. How they talk about guys they're not interested in is shallow. How they talk about guys they are into is shallow. They talk about hot guys, wanting to ****, being **** buddies, and all the sexual things they do (or want to do) as much as guys do. The only difference is, they don't want to be perceived as shallow, and try to mask it with BS claims and excuses - whereas guys brag about it. They are no different than men.

If they don't find you attractive - they won't talk to you. If they do find you attractive - they mostly just want sex. They're not into the whole nice guy fairytale romance of getting to know each other and falling in love. That's just how they want it perceived. It's all image they're protecting. They all play the innocent nice girl victim role. That's why their claims never match reality.

I've had girls tell me, as we were dating, that they didn't date so and so because they're ugly or not good-looking enough; all the guys in a certain area are ugly; there's not enough hot guys around; picking out specific people who aren't attractive in their eyes, and talking mad **** about them; rejecting and humiliating guys; saying they don't like a certain race, but would date a guy in it if he was hot; this guy is hot; that guy is not hot; hot this; hot that.

Whenever we would conversate - the topic (on their end) was always about sex; all the things they do; what they want to do; all the people they ****ed; their exploits with other men; what they're good at; and so on. There was no depth in conversation. They always managed to turn it shallow. Even when they complained - it was about a hot, shallow jerk who they ****ed. One girl, in her *****ing, told me that her hot boyfriend cheated on her, so they ****ed one last time - then broke up. When asked about a movie she saw - the only comment she had was about the hot guys. This as she was trying to **** me. This was her idea of courting, apparently.

It's as bad as you think. If you're not hot or have status - most girls won't talk to you or look your way. If you are these things - they'll hound you like no other, and push for immediate sex - while talking **** about all the other guys who are "below" them. Being accepted by and dating them doesn't change anything. You just get an up-close look at their true personality - instead of being immediately dismissed, or at the brunt end of their abuse and redicule. It's still not pleasant.

As always, this doesn't apply to decent women. Some girls do not care about these things. But a lot of them do. Not all of them were hot and popular snobs, either. They were still equally as shallow and unintelligent as the rest.

You have to look at it from the perspective of women being normal, flawed, shallow beings - just like men. Don't buy into the notion of how they want to be perceived, because that's all it is. Focus on the reality of who they are. A lot of them are shallow and quite worthless. Don't buy into the victimization claims, or assume they deserve anything, either. Accept them as is.

Once you realize they're equally as shallow as men - you stop becoming bitter. Just gotta accept that reality isn't how you want it to be. People are people, and most of them are trash. Gender is irrelevant.

For the record - I've also been called a nice person, and very sweet many times. None of that makes a difference. Either you're "hot", and they want to ****, or not. Being nice or mean or a good/bad personality plays no role whatsoever for a lot of girls. They'll want you all the same - as long as you're hot. Your personality and character is really just a side bonus - it doesn't make or break anything with them. That's not how they judge or decide.

 

[oneboy21]

(This is in response to both this thread, and the private messages you sent me.)

Most women are shallow, man. I speak not from the bitter experience of being rejected and shunned, but of being accepted and "good enough". The things they say are very shallow in nature. The way they flirt and conversate is shallow. How they talk about guys they're not interested in is shallow. How they talk about guys they are into is shallow. They talk about hot guys, wanting to ****, being **** buddies, and all the sexual things they do (or want to do) as much as guys do. The only difference is, they don't want to be perceived as shallow, and try to mask it with BS claims and excuses - whereas guys brag about it. They are no different than men.

If they don't find you attractive - they won't talk to you. If they do find you attractive - they mostly just want sex. They're not into the whole nice guy fairytale romance of getting to know each other and falling in love. That's just how they want it perceived. It's all image they're protecting. They all play the innocent nice girl victim role. That's why their claims never match reality.

I've had girls tell me, as we were dating, that they didn't date so and so because they're ugly or not good-looking enough; all the guys in a certain area are ugly; there's not enough hot guys around; picking out specific people who aren't attractive in their eyes, and talking mad **** about them; rejecting and humiliating guys; saying they don't like a certain race, but would date a guy in it if he was hot; this guy is hot; that guy is not hot; hot this; hot that.

Whenever we would conversate - the topic (on their end) was always about sex; all the things they do; what they want to do; all the people they ****ed; their exploits with other men; what they're good at; and so on. There was no depth in conversation. They always managed to turn it shallow. Even when they complained - it was about a hot, shallow jerk who they ****ed. One girl, in her *****ing, told me that her hot boyfriend cheated on her, so they ****ed one last time - then broke up. When asked about a movie she saw - the only comment she had was about the hot guys. This as she was trying to **** me. This was her idea of courting, apparently.

It's as bad as you think. If you're not hot or have status - most girls won't talk to you or look your way. If you are these things - they'll hound you like no other, and push for immediate sex - while talking **** about all the other guys who are "below" them. Being accepted by and dating them doesn't change anything. You just get an up-close look at their true personality - instead of being immediately dismissed, or at the brunt end of their abuse and redicule. It's still not pleasant.

As always, this doesn't apply to decent women. Some girls do not care about these things. But a lot of them do. Not all of them were hot and popular snobs, either. They were still equally as shallow and unintelligent as the rest.

You have to look at it from the perspective of women being normal, flawed, shallow beings - just like men. Don't buy into the notion of how they want to be perceived, because that's all it is. Focus on the reality of who they are. A lot of them are shallow and quite worthless. Don't buy into the victimization claims, or assume they deserve anything, either. Accept them as is.

Once you realize they're equally as shallow as men - you stop becoming bitter. Just gotta accept that reality isn't how you want it to be. People are people, and most of them are trash. Gender is irrelevant.

For the record - I've also been called a nice person, and very sweet many times. None of that makes a difference. Either you're "hot", and they want to ****, or not. Being nice or mean or a good/bad personality plays no role whatsoever for a lot of girls. They'll want you all the same - as long as you're hot.

This is very true

 

[st_99]

Dude, I simply cannot believe the reason you are a virgin is because of your looks, its simply very very unlikely. I've known guys that look like absolute f*cking trolls that got laid so enough about looks.

It just has to be something else. It may be just some minor personality flaws and maybe couple that
with a string of bad luck. It could just be that.

Sort of like you may find it impossible to think that black
can come out 15 times in a row on the roulette wheel but it does, and it happens all the time and there
is nothing wrong with the wheel. Just like there is probably not much wrong with you but you think there
is because you've run into this really long streak and you're fed up and waiting for it to end.

The NFC won the superbowl coin toss 15 times in a row, the odds of that happening is around 17,000 to 1!!!!
But there is nothing wrong with the coin.


My point is, I don't think there is anything wrong with you, you're just an outlier on bell curve.
hang in there!

 

[Mike32ct]

Thanks for the dose of reality Floyd. Fantastic post.

I know what you are saying because I hear how women talk in the workplace. The graphic stuff they discuss about hot guys sounds like the greatest HR nightmare. A guy saying similar stuff would be fired.

 

[Chamber36]

So, you had an epiphany and realised you look "nice".

Girls will just associate you with whatever springs up in their associative memory. They're very shallow.

Whether you're nice to women is more of a matter of your level of investment. When you're desperate for some female attention you will act VERY nice. I speak from experience.

Women might see you as a "nice" guy, or a provider, or someone they could take advantage of, but that's just what they associate your look with. Consider your body your avatar. You don't have to walk around with a bald head and a handlebar mustache, camouflage pants and sleeveless shirts if you want girls to think you're cool.

Now, to the matter of being 'nice', I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If you're alpha enough you'll be able to afford to be nice.

What you have to realise is that people act towards people the way they were conditioned to.

For example, yesterday I approached 3 girls and asked them for a lighter to light my joint. They all laughed at my boldness, but the girl could only offer me a cigarette(arrogantly), so I said no I don't need a cigarette, and then suddenly she was surprised at my level of outcome independence.

Another time I saw this girl on the dance-floor, and I was sorta trying to vibe her, you know, dancing with her and stuff. I got closer to her, and she suddenly gave me a face of confusion and doubt, like there was something wrong with me. Well, I immediately mirrored this look back at her. This showed outcome independence and also a certain level of self-respect. Her interest was rekindled.

Then there was a girl in university that thought I was a "nice" guy simply because I make small-talk and I am friendly. One time she needed my number, at which point I grabbed the phone out of her hand and typed it in myself. This shows assertiveness. She made a complete 180 and actually started touching me with her boob shortly thereafter.

My point is you need to show these women that you're a real man. No matter how macho you look or act, they are never going to believe you unless you show it to them through ACTION.

So my main advice to you is to remain indifferent and to focus on the power of your testosterone.

Since I stopped ejaculating my muscles have been getting firmer and my eye-contact is becoming eagle-like, even sort of like Charlie Sheen's eye-contact.

You also need to realise that YOU are not the problem.

These girls have all been raised by daddies who got their little girl everything they wanted in the world, maybe even including a pony. Now they see men as simps and gift-generators.

So your task as a man is to differentiate yourself from other men. Otherwise they'll just assume that you're a simp like everyone else.

Same thing goes when you meet a chick. If you first see a chick you might think she's hot, or a *****, or a nice person, or whatever, but once she shows you her diversity, that's when you'll be attracted. You want to know what makes this a woman different from all the other people, and these women want to know what makes you different.

I'm not saying you have to show a girl all the qualities you have. In my opinion the less you say, the better. But fact of the matter is, when you're going out, you are campaigning, and you want her vote.

As long as you keep your composure you won't be able to let anyone walk over you, and you will remain Alpha. You might drop the ball, which is no biggy. The most important thing is to remain indifferent and differentiate yourself from all the simps through action.

I am actually thinking of having an escort come over by my place as well btw. Sounds pretty luxurious. I heard from my friends it's worth the money. I know I shouldn't do it, but I feel like just unleashing all my energy and experiencing some of that freakiness. I see it as a natural thing to go see a prostitute, especially since women in our daily lives have basically reduced themselves to prostitutes anyway.

At least with a prostitute you know you won't be hearing from her again and she will most likely hold up her end of the deal. Especially if she's a pro.

 

[floydb25]

ST: I gotta call lies on the troll claim. I know a guy who we used to call Shrek, cause he looked like an ogre, and he never got women. But boy, did he try. Gotta give him credit; he was relentless, and wasn't phased by getting rejected by everyone. He had a nice, cool, out-going, fun personality, and wasn't afraid to approach. He still didn't get ****, ever.

But anyway, even not-so attractive women won't involve themselves with guys who aren't hot. I remember asking a girl what she thought about a friend, and she laughed, and said he was ugly. Then said "hey sexy" to me the next day - like I was supposed to be impressed by how she treated him. This guy was befriended by many of the same women we would date - all because of his looks.

I'm telling you guys - looks matter a LOT to women. I have so many stories of average to good-looking guys getting the shaft in favor of the hot ones. Personality doesn't matter - the hot ones were dumb and shallow as hell. I used to be friends with all these guys, from all sorts of personalities, backgrounds, and lifestyles. It always came down to looks. The best-looking guys had all the women - everyone else was shunned, rediculed, or rejected. Or viewed as just a friend. They did nothing different from the hot guys. They were even better people overall.

 

[SoSuaveDude]

post your pics so we can give advice...

 

[st_99]

ST: I gotta call lies on the troll claim..

lol, trust me.. this guy was straight fugly and short. But to your point yeah, good looking people simply can get away with murder. They can harass, act weird, do all the wrong things and in general they will always be looked at in a higher regard than the uglies.

An ugly person that is acting strange and not normal is considered a psyhco that should be locked up, a good looking person doing the same things is considered eccentric and its ok. haha, its true!

 

[Jeffst1980]

If you're not obviously deformed, your looks are the NOT the problem.

Sure, being good looking will get your foot in the door with more/hotter women, but- this being a numbers game- you still will attract SOME women- even with merely average game. With solid game, you should be able to compensate for a lack of good looks and date girls that are prettier than you are handsome.

Your problem is that you AREN'T running solid game- you are using online dating as a crutch and messaging girls en masse like every other desperate guy out there (and for the record, there are guys MUCH more desperate than you out there).

Also, you are probably getting the "nice" line because you aren't letting yourself become a ****y, sexual being, for fear of judgment. You truly CAN NOT care what others think of you if you want to display the proper attitude.

Online dating is the LEAST efficient method of meeting girls, since it is so highly skewed in favor of women. You will ALWAYS be "dating down" if you employ this method, instead of approaching women in the real world.


However, if you insist on using POF et al., at least let us help you. Show us what you have written on your profile/ messages to girls and we'll edit it to improve your statistical odds of getting a response. When you do get a response, we'll tell you what to say to get a date.

 

[sstype]

Uneducated, low IQ, and low-level thinking women set a premium on a man's looks. Unfortunately there are lot of them out there today (and men too)

Smart women don't consider it the only defining factor in a man.

Get it straight, guys, stay away from stupid women. Consider them snubbing you as a blessing in disguise, no need to deal with their unnecessary drama, b.s., and loss of brain cells from associating with them.

 

[floydb25]

Uneducated, low IQ, and low-level thinking women set a premium on a man's looks. Unfortunately there are lot of them out there today (and men too)

Smart women don't consider it the only defining factor in a man.

Get it straight, guys, stay away from stupid women. Consider them snubbing you as a blessing in disguise, no need to deal with their unnecessary drama, b.s., and loss of brain cells from associating with them.

Agreed...you gain absolutely nothing by pining after stupid, petty women. You may think they're some kind of glorious prize, because they're unattainable and think they're better than everyone else, but trust me, they're not worth anything. They're never going to change their ways - regardless of if they find you attractive. The only thing I ever "gained" from these women was becoming bitter, and having a very one-sided, negative view of women - based on these hoes. Their personalities are pure ****. It's unavoidable - unless you avoid them. You don't need their approval. Nothing they say or do holds any value. Just dumb tricks complaining, being snobby, and acting like retards - because its what they are. And, that's what they attract (and complain about / believe to be better than.... Ha). Never sympathise with stupid, worthless people. You're just going to get caught right up in the shallow lifestyle, and probably end up hating women. Not even other women like these women.

Good read (especially #2):
http://thehands.hubpages.com/hub/5-Things-Immature-Men-do-When-it-Comes-to-Women

 

[coochieman]

Nice doesn't really cut it. The truth is it is easier to leave the nice section than to break into the stud section.

Either way, u have gotta ditch nice to become a stud. Harmless languages such as eye contact can be all you need to get of nice, keeping your mouth shut could be all you need, not answering questions, having the I'm not interested/ IDGAF could be it.

Chewing gums and a ****y behavior( towards dudes n chicks ) helped the image I was trying to project, I dropped nice like hot potato.

Looking a babe dead in the eye, while intruding her space and saying something to her in a low, direct thick tone... ( U could even go as far as pointing to emphasize your worlds, or holding her firmly ) then walking off when done..... Is totally not wrong, but under no context would these be called NICE. Not in our world over populated with chumps.

With few things you can drop "nice". Holding you head high well is enough to project to the normal female "this is not another niceguy".

 

[floydb25]

Thanks for the dose of reality Floyd. Fantastic post.

I know what you are saying because I hear how women talk in the workplace. The graphic stuff they discuss about hot guys sounds like the greatest HR nightmare. A guy saying similar stuff would be fired.

Ha. That reminds me of a girl who tried to **** me almost every time we were around each other. I wasn't involved in any of the girl stories they shared (we were co-workers), but in a conversation we had, she mentioned that her co-worker friend told this girl that she just wanted to have sex with me - based on the things that were said. Which she denied - only to bring up the topic of sex again. In the same conversation. I'm guessing the things she said was similar to what you're talking about.

Hoes can't hide who they really are. No matter how innocent or victimized they claim to be - they're still hoes. Their hoeness is very prevalent in every interaction and conversation. They're very shallow and talk about sex constantly. That's all this one did. Many others, as well. They're all about the sex sex sex, and have no qualms about it.

Of course, I still had the captain save-a-ho / Disney romance mindset going on, so nothing happened. Not sure if I regret it. A lot of these girls were smoking hot, and wanted constant sex... Everywhere. They dressed like skanks, talked like skanks, but denied being skanks. I wanted a relationship. They claimed to want one, as well, but pshaw... My ass!

It's interesting, because every time this would happen, I would think "This girl is so awesome... We're going to make a great couple" Blah blah... Holding out on sex, getting to know them, being the nice guy they CLAIMED to want, etc. Then, when we end up breaking up months later, it changed to "Trash... Should've ****ed her." Ha ha. Infatuation always made me relationshipy - instead of wanting just sex. All that white picket fence nonsense. But a lot of girls are the opposite. Like I say, they're not much different from most men. Shallow is shallow. Trash is trash. I know lots of girls who complained about not getting laid, wanting to ****... The list of shallow talk is quite endless.

 

[djgirl]

haha floyd i like your way of thinking! your totally spot on with your saying and i couldn't agree more!!

 

[Naughty Ninja]

After hearing this recently from a girl (who didn't even know me at all), everything struck me at once...the reason I'm still a virgin, the reason I don't attract many women in general.

I look "nice." Facial hair, shaved head, muscles, etc would never change that. I have a face that looks nice/innocent. (I do work out, for myself not women...have shaved my head...tried facial hair...just looked scary and not in the alpha way.)

As a result, I attract "nice" women or no women at all...born again virgins...women with past baggage...nerdy women (not a problem, I like some of them, but they tend to be prudy...like genuine nerds, not just the fashion)...girl next door women.

Women don't see me as "sexual." When I act more assertive, it just comes off as "creepy" since it doesn't match my look.

I don't like to rant a lot, it's pointless, but enough is enough. I mean, I'm 28 and a virgin (technically you could say I'm not I guess, I've done everything else...made out with a few women...with the first girl I dated, felt her up, sucked her t1ts, titi fvcked her, fingered her, got bjs, dry humped etc.) but still haven't had intercourse and other than the first girl, have not even come close to having an opportunity.

(The first girl later revealed that the reason she was fooling around in the first place is because I was overly persistent and she felt she had to keep up with me and didn't want to lose me.)

I've spent the last couple years on pof and the like, looking for someone to meet for sex. (I don't ask for sex, I just game regular.) It reached a point last May where I messaged hundreds of women one night on pof and okcupid, regardless of what they looked like, then brought myself to the hospital and was in tears (the first time I'd cried since maybe age 14...and I've been through a lot worse.)

I told the admittance people "I think about women and sex all the time." The two guys laughed and said "Join the club." I said "Well I mean literally 99.9 percent of the time and spend my free time begging women on the internet to meet me in hopes of getting sex."

Now it's reached a point where I made a profile (without a picture) and saying pics available upon request, telling my story and seeing if any women bite. (Of course I know this won't work, but it's just how low it's gotten.)

I'd pay for it at this point if I had the money and it weren't so complicated (the guys I know that go to escorts make it sound like something out of a James Bond movie...secretive...taking the chance that she'll run away with the money etc.)

I'd just like to know what the big deal is. The rest of the stuff isn't. It's good stuff, but no big deal. But I'm 28...not ugly, pretty tall, in shape. Just because I don't look "rough" doesn't mean I should be a virgin.

And for the "game" people...save it. Game means nothing if the woman doesn't like your look from the start. She has to be interested to hear what you have to say.

I'm just so frustrated right now and feel like it's absolutely hopeless unless I were to settle for some psycho sex crazed warpig.

Believe it brother. Listen to what Floyd is telling you. Most chicks today are so insecure and have nothing truly going for themselves so they create this 'grandiose' persona about themselves living vicariously through dating 'hot' guys or attention wh0ring on Flakebook and POF.

Coming from someone who's spoken online, on text and on the phone to well over 100 chicks on POF...they are ALL on there for GOOD REASON. And there's NOTHING good about it. They ALL have SERIOUS issues, are the town trash bag/cvm dumpster, LIE about education, criminal background, drug habits, psychiatric issues YOU NAME IT. Forget the fluff filler on ANY of their profiles. SPAM the site with unique funny openers like ten a day and tweak a word or two so they don't get picked up as spam.

Be GLAD you never got a response off there. Trust me. There are hundreds of guys who may be decent people who get nothing off there. It's bottom of the barrel chicks looking to regain some kind of ego or self-worth by riding the hottest looking guy c0ck carosel because they unfortunately know nothing else. No joke. If you EVER meet some chick and she tells you she's on or used Plenty of Fish or ANY free online dating. Consider yourself FULLY warned and do a COMPLETE about face and go ghost or you are ASKING for it. Online 'dating' ain't what it used to be. You can bet the house on it.

As for dealing with chicks in real life? After awhile you get over worrying about their nonsense and get bored with them. Once they see you don't care about them and laugh at them like the silly children they are they tend to wonder and want you more.

If you ever get a chance..and I'm NOT talking about looking for foreign brides or going on 'singles tours' of other countries. Take a trip with friends overseas to somewhere like Italy, or Latin America. The chicks there make 'tens' here look like fives. No joke. You will see with your own eyes by talking to them how completely fvcked up and brainwashed chicks are here in the US. Those chicks will actually talk and have intelligent conversations and you won't believe how friggin HOT a lot of them are. Especially at night in lounges or clubs. They will walk up and talk to you. It's simply MIND BLOWING. It's like being in Playboy mansion with total knockouts who are actually extremely intelligent and aren't with the 'creeper' or media fed B.S. that goes on here. I swear you'll come back to the states with a real eye opener to just how pathetic chicks in America can be. Seriously.

 

[jefh]

I read your post and I think the problems is not your looks, ugly people get lay too. It's a more deep problem that you need to take care of, you're insecure.

 

[rhcp83]

Wow, wasn't expecting so many responses. Thanks guys.

Floyd, I understand what you're saying, but I'm not necessarily looking to attract the shallow hot b1tch type you talk about. I have enough trouble attracting a normal 5/6. (When I'm at least a 5/6 in looks...I posted my pics on here and was called "attractive.")

I understand what all of you are saying about online dating too, but there are also really isn't any other options besides online dating where I live in the Northeast. You go up to a 5 here on the street and make conversation and even if you're one of the "hot" guys she'll look at you as if you're about to murder her. It's not a very friendly place in general, and the women, even the not so good looking women, are princesses who think the world is theirs and theirs only.

I've mentioned my trip down to Virginia Beach where I could literally walk up to any girl I wanted to, legit 8/9/10s and even if she was taken or not looking to be picked up, she'd talk to me like she's known me her entire life, so I know what you're talking about NaughtyNinja.

The good news is I may be moving, but that doesn't help me now. I want to lose the V-card and as long as she's decent looking in my books and I'm not using her/misleading her, I'll go through with it. (The only options I've had the past few years were crazy warpigs on pof that sounded like Patty or Selma (Marge's twin sisters) from The Simpsons.)

I'm really just looking to demystify sex. Knowing myself, I'm convinced that 90 percent of this interest in women is just stubbornness and wanting to know what it's like to stick my thing inside a woman I find halfway decent looking.

I feel until that happens, women will continue to be an obsession in my life, and not a "normal guy obsession" but a true obsession where nothing else matters (other than family, job, etc.)

 

[HappyHarryHardon]

Italy? Here I come!