Your post-date behaviour that works or fails?

[Jariel]

For as long as I've been dating, I've been having the same experiences over and over again, and for a long time it really confused me.

I've never believed in the whole "no texting before a date" rules or "you must call her only to make a date" because that's never worked for me. In my experience, girls like to get to know a guy and feel rapport before they meet and through texting, I've been able to raise their interest to the point where they're infatuated and already see me as their boyfriend or escalate sexually so that we end up fvcking within an hour or two into our date.

Most of my dates go extremely well and they have very high interest. Some girls have even got all giddy or giggly when I kiss them or have told me I give them butterflies or make them weak at the knees. Many girls I date will pay me compliments and start talking about future dates, and will often text me after the date to say how great a time they had or just to tell me how good I looked.

Sometimes we'd have a second date and this would go exactly the same way and I'd leave them with ultra high interest, eager to see me again...

And despite all this, most of the girls I really liked would cut contact and disappear within a few days after the date or would start getting flakey or giving me excuses why they couldn't meet any time soon.

It always baffled me how a girl could go from such high interest, talking about future dates, talking about how gorgeous I am or how they feel this amazing bond with me to casting me aside and ignoring/rejecting me.

The only reason I can see is that it's my behaviour AFTER the date that pushes them away or lowers their interest. Perhaps it's the fact that I continue to text them as we had done before the date, and now instead of building anticipation and escalating, it comes across as needy or I appear too available.

I realise that if I keep doing this same thing, I'm going to keep getting the same results, so I need to change it up a bit. I figure I need to back off a little after the date, leave a couple of days before contacting her and let her wonder about me.

I have tried taking this to the extreme at times and waiting a whole week to contact a girl after a date, but this never works well. She just assumes I'm not interested or keeping my options open and prefers not to waste her time.

So tell me your experiences guys. How do you behave after your date?

What behaviour has helped you get a second or third date and what behaviour has caused them to flake on you?

How long do you wait to contact them after your date?

I'm currently doing a bit of experimenting with this. I'll post some results when thing become more clear.

 

[Willard]

It depends on the girl, some girls like to text a lot some don't. I like it when they don't require much attention, I will text them once after the first date and say I had a great time. Then I'll just text them during the week and ask them out.

Some like attention and If they are worth it I'll give it to them. One girl I just started to see like to text and talk on the phone every night, not what I usually like to do, but she doesn't like to play games, and she is beautiful and has a great personality and I really enjoy our hour or two long conversations.

The girl I went out with last night only required one phone call and a text to make a date, that's it, so I'll text her Monday or Tuesday and ask her out.

 

[Mike32ct]

Sending a girl the "I had a great time" text after a first date has a 99.879 percent failure rate lol. In all seriousness, I've never had it work. Pretty much guaranteed flake.

 

[Sofomore]

You need to get a feel for what sort of girl she is and ADAPT. You can judge how much of a texter she is by her response rate/frequency.

Why not just wait a few days to contact her. It really can't hurt you. Some girls will reach out and some girls won't. After the first date use texting as a way to meet up, not build rapport. You've already built it during the date so you can only mess it up by texting more, unless you have something really funny to text her.

I usually wait a few days and then set up date 2 for the next week. Seems to work fine if there was attraction during the date. If there wasn't, it's usually pretty obvious and she won't respond.

Also remember the X factor. Sometimes there's an event that goes on in her life that results in her dropping off the face of earth. You will never know what happened but it's not worth analyzing. Maybe take a look at the date and see if you did anything wrong, then move on. Keep spinning plates.

 

[GotED?]

It always baffled me how a girl could go from such high interest, talking about future dates, talking about how gorgeous I am or how they feel this amazing bond with me to casting me aside and ignoring/rejecting me.

Hey Jariel,

I feel your pain, dude - especially recently as well in my life.

I bet you are gaming the same level as I am, HB7-8 women and early 30's to late 20's??

Sometimes I think it could be a few possibilities here:

1) She felt such an emotional intensity being connected to you, when her hamster starts spinning AFTER you are gone, her MIND talked her out of it after you are away, while her HEART felt it when she was with you. I have encountered women like this - I think they operate from a place of FEAR (most of them do anyways). The FEAR of getting hurt, especially when they feel a loss of control with how they feel for a man so soon and so quickly frightens the sh!t out of them. Your key to success here is to get past her automatic subconscious B!TCH SHIELD that protects her to being single and alone. A woman rather be alone than to feel the pain of being hurt (over and over from experiences).

2) Higher HB women are harder to game - they are often more confused about what they want due to lack of trust in men as they been phucked by players.

3) She's sh!t testing you to see how much you like her - basically a woman's deep core of insecurity shows indirectly by her acting distance and aloof when she is falling for you, but she wants to see PROOF (over and over again, nonsense, right??) that you are still into her - even only a few days has passed since you haven't seen her. Women are INSECURE bastards from hell. So she pulls sh!t tests on you, or pull back her affection to see if you will CHASE her phucken arse.

4) She's seeking the 'ONE' (usually means a man who's never been married, no kids, financially secure, etc) - her biological clock is ticking, this is serious sh!t after I have dated women in their early 30's over and over. She is looking for that perfect 'THE ONE' and if you don't have all the checklist checked off (especially after she leaves you after the date and have her hamster brain going over and over and over everything about you), she may come to the conclusion that you are not what she is looking for as THE ONE. This is unrecoverable biological clock bullsh!t I have to just accept with women in that age group. You may drive her vaggina dripping wet but if you have been divorced, or have kids - that ruins her dream of creating the perfect family with 'THE ONE' (and really, she has the right to that dream, we all did at one time).

Good luck.

Exodus

 

[Jariel]

Hey Jariel,

I feel your pain, dude - especially recently as well in my life.

I bet you are gaming the same level as I am, HB7-8 women and early 30's to late 20's??

Sometimes I think it could be a few possibilities here:

1) She felt such an emotional intensity being connected to you, when her hamster starts spinning AFTER you are gone, her MIND talked her out of it after you are away, while her HEART felt it when she was with you. I have encountered women like this - I think they operate from a place of FEAR (most of them do anyways). The FEAR of getting hurt, especially when they feel a loss of control with how they feel for a man so soon and so quickly frightens the sh!t out of them. Your key to success here is to get past her automatic subconscious B!TCH SHIELD that protects her to being single and alone. A woman rather be alone than to feel the pain of being hurt (over and over from experiences).

2) Higher HB women are harder to game - they are often more confused about what they want due to lack of trust in men as they been phucked by players.

3) She's sh!t testing you to see how much you like her - basically a woman's deep core of insecurity shows indirectly by her acting distance and aloof when she is falling for you, but she wants to see PROOF (over and over again, nonsense, right??) that you are still into her - even only a few days has passed since you haven't seen her. Women are INSECURE bastards from hell. So she pulls sh!t tests on you, or pull back her affection to see if you will CHASE her phucken arse.

4) She's seeking the 'ONE' (usually means a man who's never been married, no kids, financially secure, etc) - her biological clock is ticking, this is serious sh!t after I have dated women in their early 30's over and over. She is looking for that perfect 'THE ONE' and if you don't have all the checklist checked off (especially after she leaves you after the date and have her hamster brain going over and over and over everything about you), she may come to the conclusion that you are not what she is looking for as THE ONE. This is unrecoverable biological clock bullsh!t I have to just accept with women in that age group. You may drive her vaggina dripping wet but if you have been divorced, or have kids - that ruins her dream of creating the perfect family with 'THE ONE' (and really, she has the right to that dream, we all did at one time).

Good luck.

Exodus

A lot of that does sound true in many of the instances I can think of, but hard to tell which one applies.

I dated 2 girls last week, both with extremely high interest before and during the date. I left one day between texting one and 2 days before texting the other. They both accepted a second date next week, but have fallen silent since. The one girl told me, "I didn't expect to hear from you again" and has previously expressed some insecurity issues with me if I don't text regularly. It may be that they're now playing defensive or cool because I took my time to contact them or maybe they're sh1t testing me.

I know if I start chasing now (as I would do in the past), then it all goes downhill from there.

My ex told me when we first started dating how scared she was. She said she feared how she felt about me and was scared of getting carried away and getting hurt. My ego obviously likes to think this is the case with all these girls, and in some cases it might be a possibility, but I often find if I start trying to reassure girls and make them feel secure it backfires and I end up being the one chasing.

In terms of low interest, I can usually pick up on this pretty easily. I've had dates where I don't feel things click or I'm not seeing that certain look in their eyes. In fact, I'm quite tuned in now and can tell when it's a lost cause.

It is all very confusing and this seems to be the final falling point in my game. If I can just figure this out, I will be on a roll. The only thing I can think of doing at this point is experimenting with different behaviours after each date and try to learn from them.

 

[GotED?]

My ex told me when we first started dating how scared she was. She said she feared how she felt about me and was scared of getting carried away and getting hurt.

I tend to agree with this statement too for my previous partner who was French. She actually told me I wasn't her 'TYPE' at the end of the first date even though I was reading ALL her actions as very high interest. I NEXTED her on the spot and told her good luck with her bullsh!t rejection and told her I know how to read women and I know she's into me but she will now have to think about it and regret it for the rest of her life playing games with me.

This was a Friday - I went NC and put her to rest in my mind (it wasn't easy, because I liked her quite a bit and it was tough). By Monday, I got a text from her asking me out on a 2nd date and was very apologetic.

Many months later she told me how terrified she was of getting hurt, and was CRYING THE ENTIRE WEEKEND ABOUT ME!! LOL..... Women seems to have all type of serious B!TCH SHIELD that keeps them single, especially the more high quality and innocent women (she was quite innocent). I don't think the experienced party girls or HOs would react like this - they would know exactly how to play their game and screw you behind your back later.

So I would go with what your EX told you - when you FEEL and READ the woman in question and her ACTIONS speaks high interest in person, she is probably terrified of LOSING CONTROL (women hate that! LOL) because she is falling for you and is trying to pull back her emotions/feelings for you. This results in a sudden display of hot & cold response to you that makes no sense at all.

I would STILL NEXT this type of woman - ain't nothing going to penetrate that hard of a B!TCH SHIELD unless she's realize what she's lost and phucked up on. I don't think a man can convince a woman in that state of fear of getting hurt to be with him at any cost - it would come across as AFC in the end. Life's a gamble - so are women's heart that she gives to a man.

Be well.

Exodus

 

[Jariel]

This is a really fascinating insight. So many of us guys think of women in general as ultra confident, with multiple guys in waiting and lots of tricks they play, and we forget that many women actually get very nervous, build up their hopes, fear getting played or hurt or falling for someone.

I would say 80% of my dates have been very nervous about meeting me. You can see it in their behaviour and they will admit how scared they are, how they worry I won't fancy them or how they'll do something stupid. I've had girls flake on me and tell me later they had a panic attack.

One of the girls I dated last week contacted me beforehand and said she wasn't sure if it was a good idea to meet, but wanted to know if I still wanted to. I could've taken that as a rejection, but I recognised a bit of insecurity on her part. I told her "Of course I still want to meet you. Why wouldn't I?" she called me up and told me how she'd got all insecure because I hadn't text her much that day and thought it was me who was having second thoughts. Sometimes I guess women will pull back hoping for reassurance. But this is something you have to do very sparingly in my experience because it can start to appear needy, like you're chasing or begging her, and she'll use it for a boost to her ego.

I think you're right about not being able to convince a woman who lets her fear get the best of her and if you feel like you're constantly trying to reassure her, it's better to next and let her come to you when she's ready.

In terms of the girls I dated last week. The one girl I waited a day to text got back to me (after waiting a day), asked how my weekend was and said she'd like to meet up next week.

The other girl (mentioned above) who I waited 2 days has still not got in touch. I'm quite convinced she likes me, but may be a bit insecure again. I'll drop her a text or give her a call towards the end of the week. But if nothing comes of that or she tries playing games, I will next her and leave it.

I have another 2 dates this week, so I'm constantly spinning plates and it's a good chance to try and figure things out.

 

[Dgwizdal]

Stop texting her and let her chase you. Also stop with the formal dates it appears you're doing and push her boundaries with something interesting involving lots of alcohal.

If you're leaving girls with high interest at the end of the date, there is no reason to keep texting them. Let them chase, wonder, and build anticipation. Keep teasing them and then when they ask to Hang out two or three days later; tell them you think that they need to miss you first - a nuclear neg that encompasses all the frame you can ever want. You're high value, she's the pursuer, you're busy, aloof, and fun/ny.

ALWAYS give a woman the gift of missing you. Minimal contact with short banter followed by an amazing, exhausting, fun date that will leave her craving for more.

Rapport will be built on its own during interaction in person and will be Initiated by her. Focus on the elements you know for ATTRACTION. Day two texting is unnecessary and dentrumental to the interest high you left her with at the end of the date.


Edit: I am 27 and this works always. 37 may need a toned down version but principles are still the same. Switch up your day two game to resemble the above and see what Happens.

 

[bukowski_merit]

This is similar for me. We seem to have similar game based on past discussions so that's not a surprise.

First, you must always remember that being a man who's good with women is lonely business. You have to be ok with being alone. Because that is the only chance you have of being good with women. Once you NEED women or a certain woman to be ok - you're no longer good with women.

Second, we are taking on the persona of a player without being real players. When we can seduce a woman into our beds on the first date. In hours.... This triggers a feeling inside of her that we are good with women. There's no need to tell a woman who you gamed so easily that you have had a lot of women - she will know it. Her subconscious will tell her: this man got you into bed so easy he must do this a lot... "He must be a player." But, we are not players. So... When we finish with them - and we don't abandon them - they aren't sure what's going on. The last girl I banged it was a perfect night all around, lots of laughing, lots of sex, lots of fun... She left a belt over my house, and sent me, "I left my belt over your house, I'd like to get it back... if you want to see me again that is." How pathetic is that? lol..... But as you've said - you've heard similar over and over... And talk about how amazing the night was etc. But what does it get us? Excuses. Also, I think it gets us in the player category. And we are not congruent with players (at least I'm not.)

Third, 1st date lays have the lowest chance of ever being anything more than that. Mainly because of what I said above (player vibes). But also because you didn't have to work very hard to get the sex. The woman already gave up the biggest gambling piece she had; now she's coming from a position of weakness (you have the power after the sex). Lots of women aren't comfortable with this. You have her wanting more, you have her openly acting needy, you have her having sex on a first date. When she feels this - if she's a good looking girl - she's been played most likely - and she'll associate you with her past. If you ask around - you'll find that most guys girlfriends were not 1st date lays.

Fourth, not all women can be seduced on a first date. The type who will sleep with a guy on a first date (making up probably 90% of the female dating market) are normally the type with dating dysfunctions. Either she's still in party mode - and will choose the club over you. Or she's sleeping around, and will choose the the rush that comes with new c@ck over you (even if you're one of the better lays she's ever had.) Most of these women are not dateable anyway; unreliable even as fvck buddies. The type who will tell you she's coming over at 8pm, and show up at midnight.

Fifth, I'm not sure where you're meeting women - but most of my lays over the last 4 years have come from online. The remaining few have come from the brief spurts I have with clubbing (normally in the summertime). These women are almost always undateable. I DO NOT agree that women online must have something wrong with them to be doing online dating. I think they could be perfectly normal UNTIL they get the corruption of 100 messages a hour ego boast, and being able to get better value for her pvssy than she ever would in real life. No matter how good we are with women - we cannot compete with that.

Sixth, ALL of the women I've dated in my life have came from my social circle or work............ Not bars, clubs, online, bus stops, etc. ALL of them are from work or social circle. I would bang a woman from work and get these same responses "I'm so intimidated by you." or "I hope this isn't just a one night thing." Same exact stuff I get now (except i was a lot more green back then.). DIFFERENCE is they had to be around me daily. They could have other distractions, men, etc. But being around me daily was a huge advantage. What often goes through our heads when a girl is giving us issues with a 2nd date or 3rd, etc? "If she will just come here, and quit giving me trouble - we'll have fun and she'll be back in my rotation." THIS IS TRUE! Which drives us in that direction. Whereas if she works with us, or is in our social circle - we will naturally be in each other's presence and the seduction is always in process....

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I'm working on different things as well. The best advice I've heard is to just not lay women on the first date if you want to see her again. Make them work for it. I'm beginning to want to experiment with this more. I honestly don't know the last time I had sex with a woman for the first time on any day other than the first. I either don't have sex with them or we have sex on the first date. The problem is..... It's just so easy....



Just know you're not alone. But go back to the first thing I mentioned....

Lonely business for sure....

 

[Turuwal]

Statistically I've had too many one night stands to call trends in my dating behaviour. But I'll give it a shot.

Things that have worked:
-organising the next date on the spot
-controlling the logistics to my benefit (e.g. a gig where I know I will have high social proof)
-having them meet me at my house before going out
-dating multiple girls so that it is impossible for me to schedule dates too close
-actually checking my calendar in front of them when organising dates

Things that have failed:
-being too eager to get her into a girlfriend frame
-waiting too long before the follow-up
-pushing too hard for her to commit to a date

 

[GotED?]

When my hopper's low, I focus on practicing the principles in this discussion post, and it's helped greatly:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=188587

VERY GOOD stuff, ESPI & Bukowski_Merit - this thread has become GOLDEN.

Rarely do discussions on here get this deep on a game detailed level.

Thanks for all the inputs, Master DJ's.

Exodus.

 

[Sofomore]

Yea I'm glad I'm following this thread. Good stuff guys.

 

[MillionBillionaire]

Try not texting to a 23 y.o. Latina with all her forms of social media on her top of the line smart phone. She can type faster than me on a keyboard with her big assz phone. She will think you are insulting her pretty much by not texting her.

You got to get some text game. I'm not even sure what that is but I'm pretty sure it looks something like...

Her: "I took this picture for you" "Sorry I kept you up, I hope you get some sleep.."

Me: "This picture is my favorite of you"

Her: "Oh cool" "gm btw"

Me: "Gm babe. Have a good day"

Her: "thanks you too "


As long as I don't get into any kind of conversation, save that for the date... I think you will be alright. You need to adjust your game. I doubt this 23yo latina with no car will be the same as a 32 yo white girl on her own.

I think her I.L. will remain high because I know she wants that first fvck as much as I do. Just remain on the un-needy side.. but you gotta text sometimes.


My theory on text conclusion!!!

As long as she is trying to qualify herself to you ... sending you pictures, making sure you got them... reply texting promptly.

And you keep showing High Value... It should be all good right?

 

[Bokanovsky]

For as long as I've been dating, I've been having the same experiences over and over again, and for a long time it really confused me.

Based on what you've written about yourself, it sounds like you are a good looking guy. I'm also going to guess that you are white. Here's one thing you need to understand about game - or rather, game-related advice that you are likely to come across on this board and the Internet in general. Much of it is geared towards guys that are, for lack of a better term, "deficient" in one way or another. I'm talking about guys who are unattractive, too short, visible minorities, etc. Being a challenge, creating mystery, neg-ing...all of those are strategies devised to make up for one's natural flaws. The basic premise is to get a woman wondering why this "nothing special guy" is acting like he's Justin Bieber. If you are naturally a good looking guy without any major flaws, you have to play the game somewhat differently. Here's why.

Imagine a stunningly beautiful woman who comes across as cold, standoff-ish and full of herself. Most guys would be too intimidated to approach her as they'd think they have no chance. Now imagine a less attractive woman with the same personality. She would actually get MORE attention and have an army of white knight supplicators trying to get with her.

Same thing applies to men. If you're an attractive guy, women will be intimidated (and the less slvtty they are, the higher the level of intimidation). They will be afraid of getting "hurt". Most women (decent looking ones, anyway) have at one point been pumped and dumped by a good looking player type. So they automatically expect you to be a player too. If you reaffirm her preconceived notions about you, you will get trapped in her defences. But if you start acting beta, you will fail for a different reason. It's a tricky balancing act.

 

[VikingKing]

Based on what you've written about yourself, it sounds like you are a good looking guy. I'm also going to guess that you are white. Here's one thing you need to understand about game - or rather, game-related advice that you are likely to come across on this board and the Internet in general. Much of it is geared towards guys that are, for lack of a better term, "deficient" in one way or another. I'm talking about guys who are unattractive, too short, visible minorities, etc. Being a challenge, creating mystery, neg-ing...all of those are strategies devised to make up for one's natural flaws. The basic premise is to get a woman wondering why this "nothing special guy" is acting like he's Justin Bieber. If you are naturally a good looking guy without any major flaws, you have to play the game somewhat differently. Here's why.

Imagine a stunningly beautiful woman who comes across as cold, standoff-ish and full of herself. Most guys would be too intimidated to approach her as they'd think they have no chance. Now imagine a less attractive woman with the same personality. She would actually get MORE attention and have an army of white knight supplicators trying to get with her.

Same thing applies to men. If you're an attractive guy, women will be intimidated (and the less slvtty they are, the higher the level of intimidation). They will be afraid of getting "hurt". Most women (decent looking ones, anyway) have at one point been pumped and dumped by a good looking player type. So they automatically expect you to be a player too. If you reaffirm her preconceived notions about you, you will get trapped in her defences. But if you start acting beta, you will fail for a different reason. It's a tricky balancing act.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Bokanovsky again.

Very helpful post. very good points.

 

[GotED?]

Same thing applies to men. If you're an attractive guy, women will be intimidated (and the less slvtty they are, the higher the level of intimidation). They will be afraid of getting "hurt". Most women (decent looking ones, anyway) have at one point been pumped and dumped by a good looking player type. So they automatically expect you to be a player too. If you reaffirm her preconceived notions about you, you will get trapped in her defences. But if you start acting beta, you will fail for a different reason. It's a tricky balancing act.

+1 repped, thanks Bokanosvky - good bits to chew on and think about.


So if a guy is good looking, however grew up quite protected and innocent but has a player's capable physical attributes (player outer, beta inner), he will CONFUSED the phuck out of quality women in the end LOL.....


I am pretty much describing myself (other than no more beta inner), but you are correct - it is a TRICKY BALANCING ACT. I had a very difficult time early in my life with being extremely shy and low-self imaged (mostly from a critical mother who never supported anything I did or encouraged me), and maybe pre-dispositioned genetic personality trait that made me an introvert and loner even though my parents were very good looking people.

I find I have to get past that initial B!TCH SHIELD with the GOOD/QUALITY women (I don't care for low quality/HO's, I don't even date them or if accidently then I NEXT them as soon as I realize it). I find the game to get her to TRUST who I really am (good, balanced, well-intentioned kind of man) is TOO MUCH WORK and I just end up NEXTING them due to their B!TCH SHIELD.

The HOTTIES can handle me just fine (but they turn me off pretty quick because lack of personality and depth), but it is the more MODEST and QUALITY women that gets intimidated (and those who I want a possible LTR with).

This is an interesting dilemma, but being aware is half the battle, as most things that stump us in life.

Thanks.

Exodus

 

[MillionBillionaire]

I find that texting too often, or too promptly, especially in the early phases of dating, KILLS interest. Doesn't matter what color or nationality she is. All women are basically the same.

I find that attractive women rarely get UPSET when they're avoided--now keep in mind I'm talking specifically about EARLY game phase. A hot chick probably isn't going to lose sleep over you because the attraction level hasn't even been developed yet!

Now, they may feel INSECURE about being avoided--and THAT is exactly what I want to exploit. There's a big difference in their being upset versus their being insecure.

I say, "Make" them feel insecure between those first few dates. Be aloof and convey hesitancy. You're not sure if she passes muster. Be a SUCKY texter. That's right--show poor texting game. Take several minutes or even a day before responding to the texts she initiates. Doing this will most often heighten her interest in you.

Dayym.. I knew this is what I should have done. Soo hard to do when she sends you the same picture three times to make sure you get it. lol.

I told her to send me more pictures... now I'm going to go cold .. make her think I didn't like the latest pictures lol.

 

[Jariel]

I'm really appreciating all the responses and insight in this thread. Very helpful and giving me some ideas.

I am a good looking guy and get a lot of attention based on how I look. I'm also 6'3 and in good shape, so I've never had much problem getting my foot in the door and the initial seduction, and many of the women I date do pay me a lot of compliments and I get quite a lot of girls more or less tell me they feel unworthy to be with me or they'll ask me questions like "wouldn't you prefer someone slimmer/taller?" or "does it bother you I have curves?" or alike.

On one hand, I recognise this and when I've sensed a woman is a little insecure I'd try to reassure her. When they are fishing to find out if I'm a player, I'd tell them what they want to hear, how I'm looking for someone special and not into playing the field. I do find a number of women will get passionate with me, but stop me before it goes too far and tell me they want to wait until a few dates in. I figure this might be a test to see if I still want to date them and if I'm willing to wait. I do respect this and I'm happy to wait, but most of the time we never get to the 3rd date or beyond.

However, sometimes I think this reassurance can backfire and I appear a bit too nice and I start to lose my edge.

It's a fine line between making a woman feel secure about being with me and trusting me, and then driving them away by appearing too needy. But by holding back, I can appear too aloof and it may confirm to them that I'm a player or I'm not into them as much as they need me to be.

Although a good looking/high quality man will get more chances to fail than a less attractive guy, I believe that neediness will put most women off regardless.

 

[Partizan]

This thread is SoSuave at its best. Just last night I had a first date with a quality chick that I liked. Without having read this content, I would have talked about a second date at the end of the night and then sent her a text this morning saying I had fun with her.

Now I'm going to just play it cool. I made no mention of future meetings, sent no such texts, but will hit her up again in a few days.