Your experience with fillibusters?

[Lexington]

A broad I was seeing pulled this nonsense. It reminded me of Rollo's post.

I remember during my "plugged in" days, I ignored this kind of advice to my own peril. Of course, back then I also didn't have other plates, so I suffered through severe blue balls while a girl made me wait.

I learned the hard way: if she's not putting out out by meetup # 4 at the latest, it's time to kick her to the curb. If a girl wants to fvck you, she will find a way to make that happen and come up with backwards rationalizations later.

One of my plates came over to my place 3 times. Each time it went as far as making out in my bed. But the second my hands got underneath her panties, it was like a fvcking vice grip. She gave me the "be patient" excuse.

Today was supposed to be the 4th time I met her, but she was already making excuses before she even got here. So, I decided to delete her from my playlist and make room for someone else. Her reaction made me laugh:
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[PrettyBoyAJ]

.+1

 

[BeDJ]

If she has high interest in you and finds you sexually attractive, she will have sex with you, especially after 3 dates. The reason why most men are sexually frustrated with women they date is because she simply isn't sexually interested. She does not perceive you as having high (or enough) SMV for her. It could be a factor of many things, game, appearance, style, what her friends think of you, etc. As previously enforced, if a girl wants to have sex with you, she will find a way to.

EDIT:

Lex, RM has these articles for your situation.

 

[Burroughs]

Since 'she wasn't comfortable' with a makeout session I guess a d1ck up her azz would have been out of the question

 

[AW1983]

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Lol. Should've gone NC after her first bs text. That's what I've realized: bs texts don't deserve any reply from you.

 

[Greasy Pig]

Handled like a damn boss OP. I love it!!!
Wish I'd had the balls to do that over the years.

The fact she was so willing to drop you and instantly block your number is a fair indication of her sexual interest level.
I mean, she didn't come back and tell you she'd like to be taken out in a date, she just walked.
Good riddance.

 

[backbreaker]

Honestly.. i have to agree with the girl here, in lieu of having tomatoes thrown at you.

it goes back to my other post in the other thread in the main forum. no girl, well not no girl, but girls i liked weren't giving it up if i didnt' make any attempt to show i had any real interest in them. I don't/mess around with girls with that low self esteem that will literately **** you despite you not showing any real interest in them.


I mean, i see now we need to have like a side wide discussion about this type of stuff.. there is attraction when you meet a girl.. no that's not good.. the way most guys on this site see attraction is like, you meet a girl and it's either A for yes or B for no. And everything you do from now utnil then is just to prolong the answer A or B. that's now how attraction works, at least now how i have seen it works.

The way I invasion attraction. .. there is a certain level of attraction a girl has to have for you to go out with you. Then another level to have a follow up date, then another level to have sex with, then another level to have a relationship with. it's like a video game kinda.

In other words, you can't expect to get to the 3rd level when you haven't done anything to get past the first. It might happen if her attraction to you is that much, but it's not gonna happen often.

I don't think rollo was talking about you lexington in his blog. she's not a true fillabuster. her wait really wasn't wait. if all you are doing is sitting at home and watching TV and trying to ****, she wasn't saying wait beucase i don't like you she was saying wait beucase you haven't given me a reason to want to **** you yet, but i am attracted enough to you to believe that eventually you will. you are taking his blog way too litearlly. yes if a woman is attracted to you she will find a way to **** you. but not at the extent of degrading herself. in other words, you are looking at it the wrong way. attraction, is what kept her coming back hoping you would put forth some effort into gaming her/ showing you liked her so she could **** you. but at some point bro you got to roll up your sleeves and do your act/run your game/ put in some leg work.


there is no ***** with out leg work. there just isn't. it doesn't even have to be a lot. but you got to do something. very few women, are just going to **** you without you trying and the ones that do, I generally don't want to ****.

My wife tried to **** me on our 2nd date. however the difference being, our first 3 dates were action dates. the beach, the bowling alley, a BBQ. I went out of my way to take her out and to show her i was into her and i was. Even plates that weren't my wife, that's the attention they got.

now had my wife prolonged the sex after say, 3-4 dates i would have bounced, but i would have had a reason to bounce. i showed i was into her, i made time to spend with her and she had not yet replicated. but if all youa re doing is calling her over and trying to ****, you don't have a leg to stand on bro. and i think you are an excellent poster but still.

in her mind she's saying who the **** does this dude think he is, why should i **** you you haven't done **** lol.

I mean... come on brah. what is one of the motifs of this site if not the main motif? women communicate covertly, men overtly.

so if you call a girl up 3 times lol and all you have done all three times is sit at home and show her movies, then trying to ****, what is that covertly telling her?

some wont' agree with me but i'm just passing on my experience, strength and hope lol. i NEVER asked a girl that i have not had sex with multiple times already to just "come over". first 4-5 dates need to be cheap, yet need to show that you are interested in showing her a good time.

you could have avoided all this by just taking some time to do something with her IMHO to show her that you have ass want to get to know her.

(i'm getting this info from your text response, you said all you were doing when she was coming over is watching TV and you said you can do that alone)

if anything, the girl was really into you. she has seen you 3 times and you haven't bothered to even try to take her out and she's still plugging away hoping you will give her some attention, and you call her a fillabuster lol and kick her to the curve and give her the next speech.

i got to side with her on this.

note, all this is on the observation that you had 3 daets, and they all were her just coming by your place. if I'm wrong and you have been playing the game the right way then she can bounce.

 

[disgustipated]

I'm thinking BB b right on this one. The girls that I've ever had the "hang out" routine work on, none were exactly quality....and all wanted subsequent normal style dates soon afterwards. Doesn't seem like you've put in much work to even care enough if they fall off or not? Something were missing?

 

[sageproduct]

I was actually just about to link to backbreaker's sh1t in the "waiting for her to call back" thread. Wow. I'm learning a lot here.

 

[Scars]

After her first reply I would had said "So how about we take it to the next level then?" and gauge it from there before giving her the boot. I think she might had just needed a little reassurance and reminder that she's "not a slvt". Talk it over with her for a min, take down her defenses, and get to it. But then again, I don't know your past history with this girl either. 4 Dates is quite a bit of time but I don't think she would had agreed to them if she wasn't at least SLIGHTLY interested. I honestly believe she was just putting up a defense that could had easily be broken down.

-Scars

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Lex,
Look if she doesn't put out on date three give her the heave ho into the Lake widda de concreta da boots...They finish as they start out,the First nighters are still punching it out ten years later,the wait for a monthers run out of steam after six months...Ho Hum,just another Lolly Pop finished,Next!

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Read the texts. You were done before you even asked her to come over.

With an attitude like hers my guess is there were more behavioral indicators than just her vice-gripping her legs together that she wasn't into you.

The guys telling you you should've gone NC on her in the hopes she might open up later are wrong. Even if you had played her differently and you did get after it with her this is exactly the kind of girl who'd ƒuck you once or twice and then close you down with the standard "where is this going?" lines or simply get buyers remorse.

The only thing you did wrong was not to NEXT her sooner.

 

[st_99]

girls use the term "butt hurt" ? I thought that was only found in mens forums when discussing female dynamics! lol.

 

[vatoloco]

Personally, I would've gone with "k" and have her hamster go into overdrive with that one. Of course, this one was a lost cause since a long time ago (I mean, her legs "vice-gripped" shut? -- mediocre IL I deduce...)

Lex, next time you are rejected by a woman (c'mon, let's face it: this was a rejection), don't call them out. Just say "Okay", "Cool, np", etc. and leave things on amicable terms, go NC and eventually disappear.

It's better that way. Word gets around and you don't wanna get a rep of getting butthurt every time a chick doesn't put out.

Edit: Oops. Late to the party again. You've already been given good advice. Add mine to it and you'll be on your way to Enlightenment.

Also:

Law 5

So Much Depends on Reputation – Guard it with your Life

Reputation is the cornerstone of power. Through reputation alone you can intimidate and win; once you slip, however, you are vulnerable, and will be attacked on all sides. Make your reputation unassailable. Always be alert to potential attacks and thwart them before they happen. Meanwhile, learn to destroy your enemies by opening holes in their own reputations. Then stand aside and let public opinion hang them.

 

[backbreaker]

Read the texts. You were done before you even asked her to come over.

With an attitude like hers my guess is there were more behavioral indicators than just her vice-gripping her legs together that she wasn't into you.

The guys telling you you should've gone NC on her in the hopes she might open up later are wrong. Even if you had played her differently and you did get after it with her this is exactly the kind of girl who'd ƒuck you once or twice and then close you down with the standard "where is this going?" lines or simply get buyers remorse.

The only thing you did wrong was not to NEXT her sooner.

Assuming my initial outline of what was going on is correct (no dates) then I can’t agree with this.

Look, after thinking about this I have figured out a way to dumb this down

It’s this simple

Initial attraction= always hypergamy based
Sexual Attraction= is always adjective based

This is what I mean. For instance, in a previous life you were in a band. You like to say that women will crawl under barbed wire to **** a guy they are attracted to. And I agree. However this is what I am trying to say:

Initial attraction = the status of you being in a band.
Sexual attraction= the act of seeing you on stage playing in a band and killing it, people liking your music and all that good ****

You could not have gotten girls to go solid snake to **** you by them just knowing you are in a band. It’s the act of them seeing you preform, the action of you being in a band, that is the turn on.

When I was in high school I worked at best buy. There was this cute girl there who would flirt with me a lot and we exchanged numbers. I had just gotten out of a relationship and wasn’t all that interested but still, she was interested in me but not like wow I want to **** your brains out.

I played basketball as well for my high school in fact I was the starting point guard. She was a cheerleader for a team we played that year a few weeks before Christmas. Actually it was the last game before Christmas. And her seeing me out there running **** lol, and not only that, I knew everyone on her schools team we all grew up together and they all knew and respected my game, these dudes who everyone at their school looked up to, the light flipped. She couldn’t take it anymore.

The initial attraction was me being a cute /good looking guy who was popular
The sexual attraction was actually seeing me running the show and drawing attention /praise from others
Now to put this in the OP perspective, yeah, when we ****ed, we literally did some metal gear ****. We ****ed behind best buy, lol in best buy, we ****ed in the car, in the movies, at my house, I snuck in her house at 2am one night, friends house, she was pretty much down for whatever. I think I might have taken her on.. what.. lol a date in a half. I took her to a movie one day and I took her bowling but they were booked so we left and went home and ****ed

And most guys will look at that and see yes see that’s how a girl should act. However, I could not have done that without her seeing me ‘in action”.

That’s the OP’s problem IMHO. Being “in action” can be you being in a band, playing ball, running true game on a date… there has to be you doing something that is deemed alpha like or at the very last, shows DJ like qualities for her to arose sexual attraction or to open the sexual gate so to speak. That never took place.

Lexington is one of the smartest guys on this forum I don’t doubt that he doesn't have a problem attracting girls based on the hypergamy factor. Girls can look at him and hear himt alk and get a pretty good gauge of what he is and is going to be. But that’s not sexual attraction that’s initial attraction. And she was initially attracted to him enough to keep going back to the well hoping/waiting for him to show her what he’s got. You still have to be seen in action, you still have to go out and do **** or be seen doing **** to arouse the sexual attraction.

He never did that

I’m a good looking guy who works out just about everyday and who is a spiffy dresser, plus I drive a nice car(s) I generally don’t have a problem attracting women, when I was single or now honestly. But it’s not “damn I want to **** you “attraction it’s “damn you are defiantly a guy I could see myself with” or “damn you seem interesting I want to get to know you” attraction. The “damn I want to **** your brains out” attraction doesn’t come until after I have went on a few dates, been able to charm them and show that I’m a catch/can run game on them/apply the DJ principles to the best of my ability.

I haven’t had instant “damn I want to **** your brains out” attraction since I’ve played ball in HS.

 

[SXS]

What you should have done is to say ok, then just forget her for about a few weeks, while you try other girls. Then try contact again. You gained nothing in this situation, and you would have gained nothing by going NC sooner too.

 

[BeDJ]

One of my plates came over to my place 3 times. Each time it went as far as making out in my bed. But the second my hands got underneath her panties, it was like a fvcking vice grip. She gave me the "be patient" excuse.

By the second date, those panties should have been off. Her "be patient" excuse was a power play. By withholding sex and making Lex wait for it, she controls of the relationship. Had Lex excused himself after being denied on the second date and pseudo-next her, sex on the third date would have been guaranteed.

 

[Lexington]

I sort of agree with Rollo and BB on this one, even though that may seem contradictory. The back story of this is that it's some chick I met a few weeks ago at a party. I didn't even approach this one. She made some comment about how she liked my hair and went from there....easy number close and super eager to meet.

I told her upfront that I wasn't looking for anything serious. She said this was okay, but all of her actions were that of someone looking for an LTR. She brought wine and steaks and salad for a romantic dinner type thing the first time. She always wanted to watch chick flicks and cuddle like we were a couple. She also started trying to make long range plans (asking about Thanksgiving and New Year's). Also, she'd text all the time like she was my wife or something.

This one's not even my top plate....a close number 3 on the playlist. I just wanted another fvck buddy on the rotation. I told her from the start what the deal was. I get the impression she was using the prospect of sex as leverage to obtain girlfriend status.

So in response to BB. Yeah, I think if I did step up my game, I could have easily closed the deal. But I'm not looking for an LTR with this broad or any girl at the moment. I could pursue this, but you have to look at opportunity cost....why I spend limited time on this one, when I have other active prospects?

In response to Rollo, you're right.....I probably should have kicked this one to the curb earlier. My top plate right now put out by the third meeting and I was bumping uglies with #2 on the first meetup. I kind of got the impression that I could close out the deal on meetup #4, but when she started making excuses even before she got here, I said fvck it.

 

[backbreaker]

i feel ya, but still just beucase you dn't see a future with them doesn't mean you can't treat the girl like a lady. that's all she wanted. just for you to show that respected her and treated her like a normal gal.

can't tell you how many plates i took out that there wasn't a future with but my whole thing is when i was spinning plates i wasn't screening for wifes i was just trying to have fun. i work extremely hard and i like to play and when i play i like ot have play mates, regardless if i am going to marry them or not.

is it really going to kill you to take a plate to a local comedy show? or take a plate to the go cart track? i mean we aren't talking diamonds and roses here

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

i feel ya, but still just beucase you dn't see a future with them doesn't mean you can't treat the girl like a lady. that's all she wanted. just for you to show that respected her and treated her like a normal gal.

can't tell you how many plates i took out that there wasn't a future with but my whole thing is when i was spinning plates i wasn't screening for wifes i was just trying to have fun. i work extremely hard and i like to play and when i play i like ot have play mates, regardless if i am going to marry them or not.

is it really going to kill you to take a plate to a local comedy show? or take a plate to the go cart track? i mean we aren't talking diamonds and roses here

I've never even thought like that and this is probably where me and you are different. I'm sitting here thinking why the heck would I want to take a girl out that I don't even see a future with. See with me I rather be out bagging girls while having fun with the homies. Going out to a restaurant with one of my jumpoffs wouldn't be fun to me at all. I rather go with someone I actually care about.