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Originally posted by seabreeze
Francisco,

I don't think that he was AFC! Trust me, he made it very clear that he was NOT desperate for sex! I let him know very clearly that I was attracted to him sexually, but I wasn't prepared to have sex with him that night. My "maybe" reflects me not knowing for sure how the night ended because we didn't have sex. He seemed a little abrupt and I wasn't sure if he wants to see me again that way (I sent him a message, but I haven't heard from him yet). How disappointed do you guys think he is since I'm older and we didn't have sex and he wanted to really badly? What should I expect?
SB:confused:
First you say that he made it clear he was not desperate for sex. Then you ask how disappointed he is because you didn't have sex and he wanted it badly. How can you want sex badly to the point that the other person knows and not be desperate at the same time?

If a guy has to make it "clear" he's not desperate for sex, HE IS desperate for sex. A confident guy will not need to put up such a front.
 

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No, what I mean is he has other partners and he let me know.

I'm wondering if he's disappointed because he asked me about ten times to have sex with him: at a motel, in the car, etc. But, I didn't take that as him being COMPLETELY desperate for sex with anyone, but just that he was curious or desired to do it with me last night. So, now I wonder if his abruptness at the end of the evening and not hearing from him reflects that he might feel rejected somehow. Though, i have to admit I'd be surprised if he did feel that way. Guys, I made it very clear that I was sexually attracted to him!
SB;)
 

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See what happens when you pull an AFC move like telling a woman that you've been erect the entire evening... She describes you as "adorable" and she "blesses his little heart!" I guess because he was trying so hard.
Francisco hit the nail on the head! I couldn't have said this better myself... When they start "blessing your little AFC heart" you're going home alone to spank your monkey...
 

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seabreeze,

this is a nice romantic story, I enjoyed reading all of your posts ! :)

I am a 21 year old guy, and I prefer older women myself.

Havent dated any over the age of 30, but I would in a heart beat.



I dont think that the guy was AFC either. He seemed confident and romantic. Big difference, and your high interest in him testifies to this.

As far as him feeling rejected i'm sure he did, who wouldnt, wouldnt you? Doesn't mean he wont get over it. He should, I prefer women that make me wait when it comes to sex in a relationship. (And I am assuming that you are only considering being sexually involved with him because you are willing to pursue a relationship with him, based on what you said about your friendship)

Only one problem. He may have nexted you. I hope not though, you two look really cute together!

So my advice is to invite him over and cook him dinner!



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Be sure to let us know how it turns out! :)
 

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Alright, I'm getting concerned now. Technically I'm not a 'young guy' but recently I've had a bunch of older women approaching me. I mean older like at least 10 if not almost 15 years older than me!

Not to complain (much) but it's not as if I was still a teenager in college. I'm a 'grown @ss man' and woman who are half a century old are hitting on me. I'm not imagining it either. I had one smack my bum at work today!

It's kind of strange though, these aren't married women so it's not as if they have husbands at home that they are bored with. These are women that do their pilates or yoga daily, dress to the nines and are on the prowl. Aren't they called 'cougars?' It's interesting thinking that I could have fun being a 'boy toy' at my age.
 

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Dynamics of older women

Women's primary drive is security, their secondary drive is sex. This is reversed for men.

Women have many conditions for intimacy, he's got to be good looking, he's got to be financially stable (i.e. rich), he's got to have some status ('power' if you like), respectability, ambition, he has to be the inititator, he's has to be decisive, he has to make an emotional connection with her, he's got have 'provider' potential,..etc., etc. and the list goes on and on for any individual woman and according to her ability (i.e. looks) to demand each condition. Each of these personal conditions for intimacy is set in a priority order depending on her ability to demand them and this demand is mediated by her age.

It's no secret that a woman's sexual marketability declines as she ages and men's increases as he ages. As a woman ages she progressively loses her ability to physically attract a mate (his one condition for intimacy), ergo her conditions and their priority order shift accordinglybecause she is forced to compete with younger, more attractive women for the same pool of eligible men.

These men tend to be the ones best able to provide for her long term security and any resulting offspring. Thus, well established men (with status, money, hopefully good looks, etc.) in their ealry 30's are the prime targets and the more they exemplify her conditions for intimacy, in their existing priority order, the more suitable he becomes for that intimacy and the harder she will compete with other women to achieve his long term committal.

Pop-psychology would have us believe that women in their late 30's to early 40's are in their sexual prime. This may serve to increase the self-esteem of women finding themselves unable to command the male attention they did in their youth, but nothing could be further from the truth. While pre-menapausal women do in fact experience a spike in their testosterone levels and a resulting sex drive increase prior to their eggs dropping, it is women between the ages of 18 and 26 that are in fact in their prime breeding stages. Women's bodies in this age range are far better prepared for the rigors of pregnancy. At no other phase in her life is she more sexually active and most capable of demanding the attentions of the best male meeting her conditions and in their most strict order. Obviously these conditions are still mediated by her physical attractiveness - thus, if she's fat her conditions will be adjusted accordingly - but she is nonetheless at her personal prime in this phase.

Unsurprisingly we see in most cultures older males striving for the attentions of the younger and more atractive females, but in western culture he becomes vilified and shamed for this - or at least that's what western feminized women would like to be the case. The most common complaint women in their mid-thirties bemoan about is that "There's no good men" or they can't understand why men just can't "grow up". Increasingly 'career women' desiring to finally start a family at age 35 find that men - particularly the ones that meet their conditions - in their age range (33-38) are not interested in women (to say nothing of 'career women') of their age. They're interested in the 22 year olds who wouldn't give them the time of day when they didn't have the status (or maturity) that they've just discovered they now have. And of course the 35 year old career woman was one of these 22 year old girls, only 13 years prior, who was doing precisely the same thing the 22 year old girls are doing today.

But that doesn't stop 30 something women from *****ing and complaining about how men their age are 'infantile' for wanting to breed with little girls, rather than mature, intelligent, respecatble women such as themselves. They are incapable of concieving why men 'wont live up to their responsibilities' and commit to a lifetime with them. They write article after article about how men are in fact threatened by their 'successfulness' or their 'status', when the simple fact reamins that his breeding choice are dictated by one single condition - SHE'S GOTTA BE HOT! Unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. The mid-thirties woman is (with notable exceptions) simply not as attractive as younger women.

So as an unspoken reaction to this predicament we get to see the popularity of shows like Sex and the City or Desperate Housewives soar with this audience. "You can be 40 and still 'have it'"(so long as you buy the beauty products our advertisers push on these shows) they tell these women. "Those men and their fragile egoes just don't know what they're missing. How dare they date younger more attractive women, we'll show them", they'd have them believe and pander to this dynamic while encouraging the fallacy that 'men ought to be ashamed of their sexula impulse'.

And finally we encounter the 40+ woman looking for what she couldn't get in her 30s. Her priorities and conditions for intimacy have altered radically now. At 40, the career woman has abandoned the idea of long term commital; she may make up some sort of internalized blame for men not accepting her, but the truth comes that time has or is running out. Perhaps she's divorced, perhaps she's a single mother (they always deserve male attention for their efforts, right?), but at 40+ the importance becomes sex as empowerment for her. She still wants to know she's 'still got it' and since none of the men of the age she's like to be in an LTR with are biting she'll be more than happy to get with a 22 year old 'hunk'. They're easy pickin's since none of the girls their own age are interested in them. They're virle, young, dumb and full of come. That'll show those immature older men who don't know how to commit! She'll beat 'em at their own game. Look at what I've got! A hot guy (relative, actually) who knows how to fvck an older woman; again shaming and insinuating older men's sexual performance isn't up to 'women's standards'. All conditions for intimacy and the priority orders she had before are out the window with the exception of physical attractiveness now, which, interestingly enough, has been a man's only condition since he hit puberty. She's come full circle, only now she makes an effort to enhance her appearance in the gym ('boy that personal trainer is cute'), with plastic surgery, botox, breast augmentation, anything that will increase the attraction for young guys.

And of course the young guys are all too happy to 'fill that hole' (pun intended) since the effort to get after it with the 40+ is practiaclly nil and the rejection ratio is far lower. In addition most 22 year old guys know an LTR is more or less out of the question; they may be a booty call for her, but that's an ideal situation for him, sex on demand with no expectation of any form of security for her. They like to make up reasonings like "she's more experienced in bed" or "we're both in our sexual primes", but this just serves to justify him being a booty call, as if he'd have a problem with that.

The real irony of the whole situation is that 40+ woman is now doing exactly what she mercilessly criticized these 'immature', problematic 30-40 something men for doing. However, we don't see any articles telling women to grow up, or to do the right thing or how infantile they are for sexually desiring younger men. On the contrary, they're applauded for 'bucking the system' for accepting they're sexual natures (as if they were formerly repressed) and "You go girl!" using isolated celebrity examples like Demi Moore fvcking Ashton Kutcher as a role model. They're encouraged to do exactly what men are run up the flagpole by their testicles for in popular media and popular consciousness. On a recent episode of Desperate Housewives one wife has a sexual encounter with a 17 year old gardener boy; an act that would earn a man in similar position with a 17 year old girl the epithet of 'pervert' or 'sexual predator' and probalbly jail time with a lifetime of registering as a sex offender every time the guy moved to a new address. Yet this show is lauded as "brining respectability back to housewives and women everywhere" in every article I've ever read about it.
 

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I dont know about all this..I guess a lot of guys want older women!

I am 22..and my desire for an older women as in say over 25 is about as high as me ****ing a man..which is NILL.

I need a partner, friend, and lover..not a mother..thats no disrepect to older women whatesoever..I find older women sexually craving...but I dont need someone with all that experienece in life seeing as I havent lived mine yet. Plus I have young very very liberal views..I want someone who is my shoes and my situation in life.

will all do respect I just dont see why a 19 yr old..would want someone much older..unless it was for sex....why? we have all been 19...he is probably either AFC or very very mature...im sorry im not hooking up with an older women to read books and talk..when my hormones are pumping at 19.

but what the hell do I know..I had to come here to get my mojo back...so we are all in our own boat!
 

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Well, I met another one, 10 years my senior. Very attractive and apparently flexible (she kept attesting about how yoga keeps her firm and limber).

I will admit that it's nice meeting women who aren't into the games. We exchanged a couple of emails and she outright gives me her number (sure I'll call, why not). I ring her and we talk for about an hour, no sweat. She asks me out to a jazz concert this weekend. I tell her lets just meet in a couple of days for coffee after work and take it from there. She agrees and bets me that she will convince me to go to the concert with her during our coffee date. Hell, I can understand how women can become professional daters. :D
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
...I tell her lets just meet in a couple of days for coffee after work and take it from there. She agrees and bets me that she will convince me to go to the concert with her during our coffee date. Hell, I can understand how women can become professional daters. :D
Got back from our coffee date. The concert is at 8:00 tomorrow. I'm so easy... :p
 

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I'm with frivilous. I have meet older women at bars and at most all I would ever want to do was hit them and leave. I would not have an LTR with any woman over 30.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Women's primary drive is security, their secondary drive is sex. This is reversed for men.

Women have many conditions for intimacy, he's got to be good looking, he's got to be financially stable (i.e. rich), he's got to have some status ('power' if you like), respectability, ambition, he has to be the inititator, he's has to be decisive, he has to make an emotional connection with her, he's got have 'provider' potential,..etc., etc. and the list goes on and on for any individual woman and according to her ability (i.e. looks) to demand each condition. Each of these personal conditions for intimacy is set in a priority order depending on her ability to demand them and this demand is mediated by her age.

It's no secret that a woman's sexual marketability declines as she ages and men's increases as he ages. As a woman ages she progressively loses her ability to physically attract a mate (his one condition for intimacy), ergo her conditions and their priority order shift accordinglybecause she is forced to compete with younger, more attractive women for the same pool of eligible men.

These men tend to be the ones best able to provide for her long term security and any resulting offspring. Thus, well established men (with status, money, hopefully good looks, etc.) in their ealry 30's are the prime targets and the more they exemplify her conditions for intimacy, in their existing priority order, the more suitable he becomes for that intimacy and the harder she will compete with other women to achieve his long term committal.

Pop-psychology would have us believe that women in their late 30's to early 40's are in their sexual prime. This may serve to increase the self-esteem of women finding themselves unable to command the male attention they did in their youth, but nothing could be further from the truth. While pre-menapausal women do in fact experience a spike in their testosterone levels and a resulting sex drive increase prior to their eggs dropping, it is women between the ages of 18 and 26 that are in fact in their prime breeding stages. Women's bodies in this age range are far better prepared for the rigors of pregnancy. At no other phase in her life is she more sexually active and most capable of demanding the attentions of the best male meeting her conditions and in their most strict order. Obviously these conditions are still mediated by her physical attractiveness - thus, if she's fat her conditions will be adjusted accordingly - but she is nonetheless at her personal prime in this phase.

Unsurprisingly we see in most cultures older males striving for the attentions of the younger and more atractive females, but in western culture he becomes vilified and shamed for this - or at least that's what western feminized women would like to be the case. The most common complaint women in their mid-thirties bemoan about is that "There's no good men" or they can't understand why men just can't "grow up". Increasingly 'career women' desiring to finally start a family at age 35 find that men - particularly the ones that meet their conditions - in their age range (33-38) are not interested in women (to say nothing of 'career women') of their age. They're interested in the 22 year olds who wouldn't give them the time of day when they didn't have the status (or maturity) that they've just discovered they now have. And of course the 35 year old career woman was one of these 22 year old girls, only 13 years prior, who was doing precisely the same thing the 22 year old girls are doing today.

But that doesn't stop 30 something women from *****ing and complaining about how men their age are 'infantile' for wanting to breed with little girls, rather than mature, intelligent, respecatble women such as themselves. They are incapable of concieving why men 'wont live up to their responsibilities' and commit to a lifetime with them. They write article after article about how men are in fact threatened by their 'successfulness' or their 'status', when the simple fact reamins that his breeding choice are dictated by one single condition - SHE'S GOTTA BE HOT! Unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. The mid-thirties woman is (with notable exceptions) simply not as attractive as younger women.

So as an unspoken reaction to this predicament we get to see the popularity of shows like Sex and the City or Desperate Housewives soar with this audience. "You can be 40 and still 'have it'"(so long as you buy the beauty products our advertisers push on these shows) they tell these women. "Those men and their fragile egoes just don't know what they're missing. How dare they date younger more attractive women, we'll show them", they'd have them believe and pander to this dynamic while encouraging the fallacy that 'men ought to be ashamed of their sexula impulse'.

And finally we encounter the 40+ woman looking for what she couldn't get in her 30s. Her priorities and conditions for intimacy have altered radically now. At 40, the career woman has abandoned the idea of long term commital; she may make up some sort of internalized blame for men not accepting her, but the truth comes that time has or is running out. Perhaps she's divorced, perhaps she's a single mother (they always deserve male attention for their efforts, right?), but at 40+ the importance becomes sex as empowerment for her. She still wants to know she's 'still got it' and since none of the men of the age she's like to be in an LTR with are biting she'll be more than happy to get with a 22 year old 'hunk'. They're easy pickin's since none of the girls their own age are interested in them. They're virle, young, dumb and full of come. That'll show those immature older men who don't know how to commit! She'll beat 'em at their own game. Look at what I've got! A hot guy (relative, actually) who knows how to fvck an older woman; again shaming and insinuating older men's sexual performance isn't up to 'women's standards'. All conditions for intimacy and the priority orders she had before are out the window with the exception of physical attractiveness now, which, interestingly enough, has been a man's only condition since he hit puberty. She's come full circle, only now she makes an effort to enhance her appearance in the gym ('boy that personal trainer is cute'), with plastic surgery, botox, breast augmentation, anything that will increase the attraction for young guys.

And of course the young guys are all too happy to 'fill that hole' (pun intended) since the effort to get after it with the 40+ is practiaclly nil and the rejection ratio is far lower. In addition most 22 year old guys know an LTR is more or less out of the question; they may be a booty call for her, but that's an ideal situation for him, sex on demand with no expectation of any form of security for her. They like to make up reasonings like "she's more experienced in bed" or "we're both in our sexual primes", but this just serves to justify him being a booty call, as if he'd have a problem with that.

The real irony of the whole situation is that 40+ woman is now doing exactly what she mercilessly criticized these 'immature', problematic 30-40 something men for doing. However, we don't see any articles telling women to grow up, or to do the right thing or how infantile they are for sexually desiring younger men. On the contrary, they're applauded for 'bucking the system' for accepting they're sexual natures (as if they were formerly repressed) and "You go girl!" using isolated celebrity examples like Demi Moore fvcking Ashton Kutcher as a role model. They're encouraged to do exactly what men are run up the flagpole by their testicles for in popular media and popular consciousness. On a recent episode of Desperate Housewives one wife has a sexual encounter with a 17 year old gardener boy; an act that would earn a man in similar position with a 17 year old girl the epithet of 'pervert' or 'sexual predator' and probalbly jail time with a lifetime of registering as a sex offender every time the guy moved to a new address. Yet this show is lauded as "brining respectability back to housewives and women everywhere" in every article I've ever read about it.
Nice to read a great post from time to time.
Now got to go.
 

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Yeah, if I was gonna have a hero RT would be in the short list. Nice you could stop by dude.
 

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Hot older women are the hottest women of all. Knowing that they are so experienced makes them so much hotter.
 

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I seriously cannot understand the allure of older women. Being a young guy (20s), I have ZERO interest in anyone over 30.

I understand many younger women are a little shallow (and to be honest, most young guys aren't exactly an example of intelligence), but c'mon, haven't you ever met ONE? I've met dozens of interesting people in their 20s, with great backgrounds and personalities.
 

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diplomatic_lies said:
I seriously cannot understand the allure of older women. Being a young guy (20s), I have ZERO interest in anyone over 30.

I understand many younger women are a little shallow (and to be honest, most young guys aren't exactly an example of intelligence), but c'mon, haven't you ever met ONE? I've met dozens of interesting people in their 20s, with great backgrounds and personalities.
I seriously cannot understand the allure of younger women. Being a older guy (30s), I have ZERO interest in anyone under 30.

I understand many older women are a little shallow (and to be honest, most older guys aren't exactly an example of intelligence), but c'mon, haven't you ever met ONE? I've met dozens of interesting people in their 30s, with great backgrounds and personalities
Yep. I thought that would work too.
 

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Just to respond to an iqqi post on a closed thread:
iqqi said:
Lol. Ashton chose Demi. Over Britney Murphy, who is hot and sexy. IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

And no, MOST all women do not prefer older men (decades difference). Keep telling yerself that!

And like I said. The part I put in bold is exactly the way older men are looked at too. Preying on the young, trying to recapture their youth.
To address the tired Demi example:

1) Demi has had loads of plastic surgery, in an attempt to fool Nature.
2) But, plastic surgery can't really fool Mother Nature where it counts - in function, not just form. Apparently, Ashton dreams of a brood of kids...and they have been trying for at least 3 years now. To no avail. Why? Because her vagina is 44 years old now and she is 21 years past her prime fertility, if not more.

Whereas men never lose their fertility. It may decrease, but not simply shut off like women.
3) Ashton must be heartbroken and maybe wishes he was back with that trashy-looking Brittany even if she does look like a meth head - cuz at least she's fertile and could give him what he really wants. Otherwise, he is just stuck using his own precious resources to cuckold Bruce's kids - the ultimate AFC move.
 

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Maybe Ashton doesn't want kids.

Weirder things have happened!

I am glad you resurrected this thread though, it was good a good read.

My main point in the other thread was that some men prefer older women over younger women, just the same way some women prefer older men. Also, sometimes preference isn't at play at all. Sometimes they meet someone they really connect with, and that person just happens to be older.

For all the guys saying it is nasty to hook up with an older woman, well there are many women saying the same thing about older men.

And someone else said, a 21 year old pvssy that has been ran through 1000 times is older and more used than a 40 year olds that has been used a 100. ;) Or something like that, lol.

back to Ashton. Maybe having kids isn't his main motivation in life, maybe it doesn't even compare to his need for a great mature LTR.

Many people place higher values on things that have nothing to do with having children.
 

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