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That is an anecdotal question. Goes into the BS pile.



Last we sourced it was about 20 cases per 20 million jabs. Somewhere in that ballpark. What does your source say?
The idea that anecdotes are antithetical to the scientific method is actually completely wrong. Science starts with observation. Are we not allowed to make observations?

I'll ask another question for anyone reading this: have you seen any overflowing hospitals full of people in ventilators, even in the news or viral videos?

If the answer to both of my questions is no, how can you even explain that?

That is an anecdotal question. Goes into the BS pile.



Last we sourced it was about 20 cases per 20 million jabs. Somewhere in that ballpark. What does your source say?
I don't trust any sources. I just see news stories here and there. Some might be fake, but many aren't, there were many public figures who have died after getting vaccinated, but they went under the radar.
 

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The idea that anecdotes are antithetical to the scientific method is actually completely wrong. Science starts with observation. Are we not allowed to make observations?
No. The observations have to be significant enough in scale to be empirical. The 20 people you know are not representative of the 330 million Americans.

I'll ask another question for anyone reading this: have you seen any overflowing hospitals full of people in ventilators, even in the news or viral videos?

If the answer to both of my questions is no, how can you even explain that?

I don't trust any sources. I just see news stories here and there. Some might be fake, but many aren't, there were many public figures who have died after getting vaccinated, but they went under the radar.
This is exactly how conspiracy theorists approach data. And please link us to all the public figures that died due to COVID-19 vaccinations.
 

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No. The observations have to be significant enough in scale to be empirical. The 20 people you know are not representative of the 330 million Americans.
Yet, I have not seen any evidence that young healthy people are dying, or that hospitals across the world are overflowing. So in fact the burden of proof is on you, if you want to play that game.

This is exactly how conspiracy theorists approach data.
Yes it is, and it's silly - I have never believed in a single conspiracy, even the JFK assassination. . It's pretty easy to dismiss conspiracy and the type of arguments I'm making - for instance, when people ask "where is the parts of the plane that hit the pentagon?" - you can refute with photos of the debris that were taken. Or when people say "burning jett fuel cannot melt steel beams" - you can refute by stating it doesn't melt them, it warps them.

So I ask you the same questions as a point of discussion, after all, shouldn't it be easy to dismiss my claims like any other conspiracy nut in the past was? Yet so far, you've avoided answering both questions. Why are people allowed to make claims that young healthy people are dying from Covid, or that countless hospitals are "overflowing" with covid patients, when there's basically zero evidence of either?

There are many topics that are impossible to verify scientifically, because modern science has become so corrupt by dogma, ego, and bias. I used to be like you and only believe in something if it has a seal of approval in the form of a meta-analysis of 20 double-blind controlled studies with massive sample sizes. This is a myopic way of viewing the world and discovering truth.

And please link us to all the public figures that died due to COVID-19 vaccinations.
This would take me considerable time. There is no database of this. The only recent one I can remember is Willie Garson, who died of 5 months after getting the shots from very rapid pancreatic cancer development.
 
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Yet, I have not seen any evidence that young healthy people are dying, or that hospitals across the world are overflowing. So in fact the burden of proof is on you, if you want to play that game.
No. That is anecdotal. Anecdotes are not data.

Why are people allowed to make claims that young healthy people are dying from Covid, or that countless hospitals are "overflowing" with covid patients, when there's basically zero evidence of either?
This is simply wrong. Data on hospital use is public.
Your posts are just mindless rants about what you refuse to believe.

Where is your data on vaccines causing fatality?
 

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No. That is anecdotal. Anecdotes are not data.
The media claims young healthy people are dying and hospitals are overflowing. Therefore, the burden of proof is on them. And I've asked you, or anyone else, to provide me with such evidence, and no one has yet. So, I am not claiming my anecdote to be data, I'm saying that there is no proof that the medias claims are correct.

This is simply wrong. Data on hospital use is public.
Your posts are just mindless rants about what you refuse to believe.

Where is your data on vaccines causing fatality?
Am I missing something here? I checked major hospitals in major cities, Manhattan, LA, Chicago, didn't find any at capacity.

And look at this screenshot from the link you just provided, does ~10% Covid patients seem like its overflowing numbers to you?

One last thing, has anyone actually examined the hospital capacities >2019 compared to today? Doesn't that factor in to the equation? Is it not unreasonable to assume that many hospitals were near-capacity before Covid due to shortages in staff or general incompetence?

Where is your data on vaccines causing fatality?
VAERS. Beyond that, the Covid vaccines have not been around long enough for us to have real data on fatality. But I should actually be clear at this point that I do not think the vaccines are deadly or unsafe. They could very well be less risky than Covid.
 
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The media claims young healthy people are dying and hospitals are overflowing.
No, that is a strawman argument with intellectual dishonesty. Let’s dissect:

The media claim that “young healthy people are dying” is interpreted by rational thinkers as young healthy people can die from COVID-19, not most will die.

Hospitals were overflowing only in Delta variant hotspots at the peak about a month ago. Not all over the country.

Am I missing something here? I checked major hospitals in major cities, Manhattan, LA, Chicago, didn't find any at capacity.
Those are high vaccination rate areas that are not currently delta variant hotspots.

And look at this screenshot from the link you just provided, does ~10% Covid patients seem like its overflowing numbers to you?
Yes. We have readily available, effective COVID -19 vaccines. That number should be much closer to zero.

One last thing, has anyone actually examined the hospital capacities >2019 compared to today? Doesn't that factor in to the equation? Is it not unreasonable to assume that many hospitals were near-capacity before Covid due to shortages in staff or general incompetence?
This is a rationalization. The point is that unvaccinated COVID-19 patients are taking up hospital capacity.


Link us to supporting evidence for your claim that celebrities are dying from Covid-19 vaccines.
 

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No, that is a strawman argument with intellectual dishonesty. Let’s dissect:

The media claim that “young healthy people are dying” is interpreted by rational thinkers as young healthy people can die from COVID-19, not most will die.
Correct. But do you even remember the original reply I made was to a poster claiming the unvaxxed are all dying on a hill? This is what many people actually believe, and this is what the media tries to push. My contention is that no, we're not, because the overwhelming majority of young healthy people do not die from Covid.

This is a rationalization. The point is that unvaccinated COVID-19 patients are taking up hospital capacity.
I dont think it is. When the hospitals in NY overflow due to laying off 1400 nurses, will that not matter either? Why are the hospital administrations never blamed? Hospitals used to be under considerable scrutiny for malpractice and profit-motives before this (just like big pharma) but now they are all undeniable "heroes".


Link us to supporting evidence for your claim that celebrities are dying from Covid-19 vaccines.
By supporting evidence you mean peer-reviewed studies? Yeah those won't exist for years until this narrative falls apart. For the time being, there is no direct evidence except stories of people dying after getting vaccinated. I take them with a grain of salt, but to suggest 100% of them are fake implies a conspiracy on the other side. Also I said public figures not celebrities, but that point is moot anyway since even if there was proof of a few dozen famous people dying from vaccines, it wouldn't be enough data to form a conclusion.
 
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Let's also not forget that the UK government downgraded Covid to a low consequence disease back early last year.
Anyone can easily find this info with a basic Google search... Or you can carry on listening to the fear porn...
 
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No. That is anecdotal. Anecdotes are not data.



This is simply wrong. Data on hospital use is public.
Your posts are just mindless rants about what you refuse to believe.

Where is your data on vaccines causing fatality?
Yes hospitals in UK Are overflowing, mainly due to beds being cut by half over the last 30 years including ICU.
Every year the NHS is over run.
Google "nhs overrun" then put any year in the last 10 after it and you will get the same headlines year after year.
I remember in 2017 I think when they were using refrigerated vans to store the dead.
Don't remember that happening last year during the "pandemic"
 

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That's awesome but also the problem that we are facing as a society out here today.

That is the main stream media is dominating the news and feeding us whatever the governments tell them too. I'm in Melbourne Australia, about to lose my job because i don't want the vaccine.

The coverage of deaths and injuries from the vaccines is virtually non existent, yet they are forcing us to put this crap into our bodies!!
 

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Does covid cause mass amnesia?


This video posted to the Off-Guardian.org site May 15, 2020 and is now in their Archives…

I prefer current information when it concerns a personal life or death decision…
I take my life and my family member’s lives seriously.
 
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WTF? Man, you have to get the basics correct before you start engaging in arguments.

Guys, I'm as conservative and pro-freedom as they come. But this anti-vaxx stuff is beyond my comprehension. I don't understand you guys dying (literally) on this hill.
There are a few die-hard wackos that feel very strongly about it because their favourite politician or youtuber convinced them to. They are a problem in every country in the world, but more so in the USA because of their numbers. I don't really care that much - I'll take the vaccine and the booster if necessary and if they want to take the risk of not doing so, then so be it. Sooner or later they'll be exposed to the real virus and maybe they'll be lucky and maybe not. Now it appears that they think being slim will protect them.
 

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Reminder that according to batsoup and speed dawg, the only reason you don't follow the creed of taking vaccines or following covid news is because you must be following the whims of someone else. They cannot fathom that people are independently making decisions. It goes against their way of living to make their own decisions.
 

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Reminder that according to batsoup and speed dawg, the only reason you don't follow the creed of taking vaccines or following covid news is because you must be following the whims of someone else. They cannot fathom that people are independently making decisions. It goes against their way of living to make their own decisions.
Thanks for that. What shows great independent thinking skills is to follow some idiot conspiracy theories and put your health at risk.
 

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Thanks for that. What shows great independent thinking skills is to follow some idiot conspiracy theories and put your health at risk.
Your mistake is correlating decisions made to your own disagreement axis. We don't blame women for choosing who they like. We shouldn't blame the average man from choosing what they choose to care for.
 

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Thanks for that. What shows great independent thinking skills is to follow some idiot conspiracy theories and put your health at risk.
I can't speak for everyone, but I do not follow conspiracy theorists, and I think they are equally as full of **** as people on the left. They put forth tons of whacky, unsupported, schizophrenic ideas, and if one of them turns out to be true, they claim to be experts because they got one right, but don't acknowledge the countless others they got wrong.

I have purposely avoided all news and information platforms (such as reddit, and youtube to a large extent) for the past 2 years because I believe the internet is toxic, especially in this current climate. Clearly I'm correct because mental health is deteriorating ubitiqously on all sides of the spectrum. The only information source that I purposely sought out were a couple of podcasts with Dr Pierre Kory, because I wanted to hear what he had to say.

I am anti-narrative, that is all. I do not claim to have knowledge of whats really going on. Nor do I think the "truth is in the middle". All I know is that the narrative we are being fed is not based on science, but dogma and propaganda. Why this narrative is being pushed so hard could due to many different things, but given the general incompetence I've seen with governmental and medical authorities over the past several decades, in respects to public health (especially related to diet and pharmaceuticals), it's probably a combination of opportunism, profit-motives, power corruption, and flat out bad science.
 
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