You MUST force women to make decisions *MUST READ FOR ALL MEN*

[GotED?]

I rarely start a new thread as you all who knows me, but this is CRITICAL information. I recently got OUTGAMED by a woman who started to string me along after asking to date me exclusively, and then started to blow hot & cold. I laughed in her face and NEXTED her after she attempted to FRIENDZONE me. Do the right thing, read this article below:

http://reemachronicles.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/you-must-force-women-to-make-decisions/

You MUST Force Women To Make Decisions


Every man has been in a position where a girl has demanded more time to “think about it” or given him dumb conditions in which she’ll do something for him or give him what he wants. I’m willing to bet that nine times out of ten, the guy never ends up with what he wants, whether it’s sex, a date, getting back together, getting her to leave a bar with you, getting her to stop seeing another guy and commit exclusively, or whatever. It just never works out in your favor. Either she’s buying time so she can have her d!ck cake and eat it too, or she has no intention of giving you what you want but just doesn’t want to tell you that.

They’re telling you that they need to sort out their feelings when in reality, they’re holding out for what they perceive to be a better guy, or they’re trying to get everything that they want for as long as possible (the security of having you on standby while they still play the field for a better option). When it comes to men, some women are selfish and don’t care about you. All they care about is the best deal that they can get for themselves and if that means hurting you, or not giving you what you want, then so be it. These women use “feelings”, “being unsure”, and “needing more time”, as an excuse to cover up their selfishness.

To stop this sh!t you MUST force women to make a decision right then and there. Only two things will happen. You get what you want or two, you don’t get what you want, but you save yourself a lot of heartache and time. Women, rarely, if ever, change their minds about giving you what you want when it comes to “feelings”, “being unsure”, and “needing more time”. All of this is a lie. They really do already know what they want, but what they’re unsure about, is how long they can keep stringing you along. They’ll keep stringing you along and avoid making a decision for as long as they possibly can. Making a decision means taking responsibility.

Women will do whatever it takes to avoid doing so. By walking away from her right then and there, it shows that you have a backbone and that you don’t need her. In this case, she might actually change her mind. This is what happens if she actually does have feelings for you. If women realize that they can always fall back on you, and keep you as an option, then they will. This is why it is so very important that you remove yourself as an option. When you do this, all of a sudden she won’t be so unsure of her “feelings”, won’t need more time and she’ll either chase you or forget about you. Either way, you win.

Learn to force women to make decisions and if they don’t want to make a decision right then and there, then walk away. It never works out in your favor to wait around on her to make up her mind or to try to please her vague demands. If she can’t be VERY specific about the terms, then that’s how you know that she intends on stringing you along.

If she’s giving you a “maybe“, then you know that she intends on stringing you along and if she’s giving you the “I don’t know how I feel” or “I need more time” bull****, then that’s how you know that she intends on stringing you along. It’s time for you to charge her to the game. You just made her decision for her.

Be well.

Exodus

 

[El Payaso]

Listen to a woman's actions not her words.

 

[adam225]

Brilliant thread. I'll be keeping it in mind.

 

[rascal99v]

You should never allow yourself to be in a position where the woman has the power. You are powerless when you give her "time to think about it" or you let her make the decisions for you and rule the roost. That means that she is the powerholder and you are the beta taking her orders. Waiting for her to decide when and what she wants. and when she is good and ready is what betas do. That is a failure on the man's part and why the woman doesn't respect him. When a relationship gets that bad, it's not going to get any better. You're crazy to think that anything good will come out of a woman who really doesn't have much interest in being with you. She knows it won't be long for the dumping but she won't admit it or do it until the very end.

Dumping her on your own is the best solution becaue you have the power to make your own decisions. Letting a woman do it for you is a sign of weakness and degrading to a man. Don't let a woman ever dump you or make you feel any less of a man. Allowing her or forcing her to dump you is the worst thing you can do. You can see it's not going well yourself. So, that's why you should grab your balls, and take the bull by the horns and do it yourself. A man who makes his own decisions is a man in charge of his own destiny. Don't let a chick control or take charge of your own life's decisions. That is lame. That is not being a man. You succumb to the power of the woman. That's being a weak and pitiful man.

I believe in a man making his own decisions. Not forcing a woman to make a decision that you should already know the answer to. If you're getting excuses, strung along, not getting what you want from her, then you need to step up to the plate and end it yourself. Making her do it is lame. Most of the time the chick will stall and buy for more time. Throwing you a bone so to speak. She won't make that decision until she wants to or needs to. Why put up with a sh1tty woman? If you don't like what you're getting from her, drop her ass. It's as simple as that. That stops all the excuses and stringing along. No more drama either. You can be rid of her. There's no need to force her into doing that for you. Do it on your own and be done with it. Don't settle for crap or let the crap do it for you.

 

[Suspens]

Another BS excuse for stringing you along: "I'm a virgin"

 

[sylvester the cat]

a couple of years ago on another pua forum i recounted a time i asked this girl out and she said 'can i think about it?' to which i told her that she could not think about it and that i wanted a yes or a no now (although i knew her answer was already a no in disguise).

i was told that forcing a yes or not answer from her was beta and made me look needy. personally i was just glad i got an answer and was able to move on in a direction based on that answer rather than hang about wondering.

 

[GotED?]

You should never allow yourself to be in a position where the woman has the power. You are powerless when you give her "time to think about it" or you let her make the decisions for you and rule the roost. That means that she is the powerholder and you are the beta taking her orders. Waiting for her to decide when and what she wants. and when she is good and ready is what betas do. That is a failure on the man's part and why the woman doesn't respect him. When a relationship gets that bad, it's not going to get any better. You're crazy to think that anything good will come out of a woman who really doesn't have much interest in being with you. She knows it won't be long for the dumping but she won't admit it or do it until the very end.

Dumping her on your own is the best solution becaue you have the power to make your own decisions. Letting a woman do it for you is a sign of weakness and degrading to a man. Don't let a woman ever dump you or make you feel any less of a man. Allowing her or forcing her to dump you is the worst thing you can do. You can see it's not going well yourself. So, that's why you should grab your balls, and take the bull by the horns and do it yourself. A man who makes his own decisions is a man in charge of his own destiny. Don't let a chick control or take charge of your own life's decisions. That is lame. That is not being a man. You succumb to the power of the woman. That's being a weak and pitiful man.

I believe in a man making his own decisions. Not forcing a woman to make a decision that you should already know the answer to. If you're getting excuses, strung along, not getting what you want from her, then you need to step up to the plate and end it yourself. Making her do it is lame. Most of the time the chick will stall and buy for more time. Throwing you a bone so to speak. She won't make that decision until she wants to or needs to. Why put up with a sh1tty woman? If you don't like what you're getting from her, drop her ass. It's as simple as that. That stops all the excuses and stringing along. No more drama either. You can be rid of her. There's no need to force her into doing that for you. Do it on your own and be done with it. Don't settle for crap or let the crap do it for you.

This is GOOD stuff - +1 repped.

In order to be THE PRIZE, one must act like THE PRIZE.

Sometimes that involved painful NEXTing. But like the article said (and has happend in my life in the past), by NEXTing a woman after she starts blowing hot & cold after you been dating her a few times - it FORCES her to face her feelings for you (OR NOT) and call her out on her GAME.

If she does miss you and realized how much feelings she has for you, then SHE WILL CHASE you. If not, you saved yourself a lot of uphill battle and waste of energy/time that would have never won her over anyways.

I am finding this information is a very valuable secret in dealing with women and dating. If her interest level is not sky-rocketing, MOVE ON and find greener pasture. If you have been fair to her with your time and energy, and she is not recipricating, cut your losses and find better investment.

Exodus

 

[TheCWord]

LOVE THIS THREAD.

Who's watching House Of Cards, Season 2? (Don't worry, no spoilers). In one of the episodes the character of Remy shows us a textbook way of doing what the article here talks about...

As with most male characters (except for one) on the show, Remy is a real man. He has power, confidence and one hell of a posture. After hooking up with this girl for a while he gets dressed in her apartment in the morning. He says he wants to know where this is going. She says they're just having fun, isn't that alright? He ends the conversation immediately: "No. I'm very clear about what I want. Don't call me again unless this is going somewhere." And he walked away. (It's just a TV show but for what it's worth she comes back).

In these situations, do you guys think we should verbalize what we want like Remy? If you can be as cool as him I definitely think so. But I suppose the alternative is to let our actions do the talking... I.e. If she's not putting in enough effort, you stop calling - thereby expressing that you are not pleased with current state of affairs.

I kind of did both: I was seeing a girl casually for five months and wanted things to progress or end. When I brought it up she told me how she once saw a guy casually like this for a year. This girl was exactly what the article described! Can't believe that guy let it go on for a year. As for her and I, she said she wanted to think about, it then we banged it out. Two weeks later, hadn't heard from her, invited her over and we banged again, not discussing the relationship. Had she brought it up that evening or started making more of an effort afterwards then I would have kept seeing her. But her behaviour was not changing and so rather than repeating myself or "officially" ending it she simply hasn't heard from me in two months.

 

[JoeMarron]

Her indecisiveness tells a man all he needs to know, which is low interest. I wouldn't even bother forcing a decision at that point because her decision would be from a fear of loss rather than genuine interest. I suppose that's what the article is saying though. By walking you're forcing them to make a decision.

As with most male characters (except for one) on the show, Remy is a real man. He has power, confidence and one hell of a posture. After hooking up with this girl for a while he gets dressed in her apartment in the morning. He says he wants to know where this is going. She says they're just having fun, isn't that alright? He ends the conversation immediately: "No. I'm very clear about what I want. Don't call me again unless this is going somewhere." And he walked away. (It's just a TV show but for what it's worth she comes back).

Just like I said earlier, the decision comes from a fear of loss. I wouldn't want to settle for being with a chick that I had to scare into being with me. Even if she was just bs'ing with him but really wanted something more. I want a chick's interest so sky high that she wouldn't even consider playing around with me.

 

[Hogwild]

This is a great, interesting post! Thank you

 

[sylvester the cat]

there was also one girl who i was really into who couldn't or wouldn't seem to make her mind up. i got the feeling she was the type of girl who needed the man to tell her what to do. i figured if that was the case what's to stop her down the line being told by some other guy what to do and leaving me for him.

 

[Lotus Effect]

Great post!

Nothing new to anyone in her, but again, it is always good to have a reminder!

+1 Rep!

 

[Jariel]

Based on my own experiences I'm afraid I have to disagree with this thread, almost entirely.

What I've found is whenever you try to force a woman to make a decision, give her an ultimatum or a time limit, she will 99% of the time reject you. Nobody likes pressure and women especially need time for their feelings to develop, to suss you out and even test you to see if you're truly who you're projecting yourself to be. If you start pressuring them in any way, it suggests traits of a control freak or it suggests you're putting too much focus on her, and either way, you're killing attraction.

And yes, sometimes she is keeping her options open and considering other guys, but she has every right to do that while she is single. This is what we guys should be doing too - spinning plates.

Some girls (and guys, myself included) will sometimes find themselves in a place where they're just not ready to move on. They're recovering from a break up, still have feelings for their ex or have other things going on in their lives. I rejected some amazing women the first 3-4 months after my break up and regretted it later. But the timing just wasn't right.

When you have options you don't need to force a decision from a woman. You can date several women and let the attraction and feelings take their natural course.

I've realised over the years that one of my biggest mistakes with women is trying to establish where I stand. It shows insecurity, lack of calmness and confidence.

The part I do agree with is the walking away part. But instead of trying to get an answer, just use your judgement and instincts. If you detect her interest is falling or she's indecisive, then use that as your cue to walk away. No fishing for explanations or burning your bridges, just go and focus on other women. In my experience, many of those women do come back and often enough with plausible explanations.

When it comes to the early stages of dating/seduction, it pays to be cool and carefree.

 

[Pardner]

Forcing a woman to make a decision means you lost control of everything.

She will like you less. She won't make the decision you want. = Fail

 

[Induced Drag]

This is an excellent thread! There are several very good points made. I think the common consensus is don't intentionally supplicate to a woman who's unsure of her feelings. Her actions take precedent over her words.

Looking back at my situation I should have walked away after my ex was unsure of her feelings or as she put it, "split feelings." Unfortunately at that time I was more of an AFC than I am now and gave her some time to think about things. The one good thing I did was I rejected her LJBF offer. In any event it didn't turn out very well for me and I unintentionally gave my power away in my effort to be understanding and cool. I understand the purpose of the take away although as was said earlier her decision would then be fear based and subject to change. Although a woman is always subject to change. I think the OP and Jariel are both right so then the question is what's the best thing to do? Do any of us really want our woman to stay with us out of fear? Or is it a s**t test? I think being decisive and letting her know you're ready to walk and be a man is the best course to take but it's 5 am and I haven't slept yet so take that with a grain of salt.

 

[TheGambino]

Repped +1. I already know this, it's the truth. Just make moves, ask for the date, kiss, push. It's a yes or a no push for the decision but in the same time give her some time to catch feelings for you (game).

 

[joker79]

@Jariel: you're right, forcing a woman to take a decision takes you nowhere. I had the very same experience, same result.
The point I see here is that you need to find a way to assess her IL quickly and, should it be low, walk away and don't invest time, energy and money. 95% of times her actions are easy to read: if you create a situation in which she either can say yes or no and she says "yes", good for you, keep up with the good work. If the answer is either "no" or "maybe" or "let me think about it" or any other kinda bull****, then situation is close to a "game over" but to protect yourself you should detach yourself immediately. I've seen far too many guys chasing uninterested chicks and being there for them anywhere, anytime without any reward. I was one of them. Fvck that! Whether you do that by words or by actions, it's up to you. I think that walking away is the best course of action. If she comes back, you will thoroughly check if her actions match her words, that means you're shyt testing them back. Few of them will pass such test though.

 

[GotED?]

@Jariel: you're right, forcing a woman to take a decision takes you nowhere. I had the very same experience, same result.
The point I see here is that you need to find a way to assess her IL quickly and, should it be low, walk away and don't invest time, energy and money. 95% of times her actions are easy to read: if you create a situation in which she either can say yes or no and she says "yes", good for you, keep up with the good work. If the answer is either "no" or "maybe" or "let me think about it" or any other kinda bull****, then situation is close to a "game over" but to protect yourself you should detach yourself immediately. I've seen far too many guys chasing uninterested chicks and being there for them anywhere, anytime without any reward. I was one of them. Fvck that! Whether you do that by words or by actions, it's up to you. I think that walking away is the best course of action. If she comes back, you will thoroughly check if her actions match her words, that means you're shyt testing them back. Few of them will pass such test though.

Good assessment, Joker.

This really is a FORM OF ART that can only be gained from experience having excellent sense of perception and intuition about women's truthfulness (OR NOT) in where she is with you.

My point is to not have a woman STRING YOU ALONG, LEAD YOU ON. It is a HORRIBLE waste of time, and literally BEING USED for her amusement, void of loneliness on her part when she needs you, and generally a selfish human being. Worst case, you become emotionally attached with expectations of her becoming a girlfriend (rightfully so because of EXCLUSIVITY agreed upon) and getting stringed along. It is these after-effects that bring men here to this forum and cry their AFC hearts out without much man left in themselves.

Yes, a woman can change her mind at anytime in the beginning of the dating stage. However, a woman with conscience would tell you after you had gone 'EXCLUSIVE' if she is declining in her decision doing so and attraction. It is when SHE DOESN'T tell you, she's committed a crime against humanity.

Exodus

 

[El Payaso]

If you have to force a woman to make a decision and she says yes out of fear, I wouldn't trust it so much. That's a finicky yes to start any form of relationship.

 

[Damage360]

Women want you to lead, don't let them make any decisions.