You guys realize that getting women as a man is the absolute hardest aspect of social interaction??

[sazc]

I don't have any garbage clothes, outside of maybe gym clothes. Everything I have is super upscale

and again, I want a woman my age who dresses like I do...the type to wear beautiful dresses and super nice high heels. That is so hot to me

if you're going to continue to frequent the nightclubs that you are going to then you need to get some lower-quality clothes.

I must coshing you that the women that you find at these venues that you are attracted to, but are not attracted to you, obviously have no regard for someone who dresses well, and quality clothing. That should tell you a lot about who they really are. If you want to attract these lower-quality women, you are going to have to start dressing down.

I reiterate, the women that you see at the venue's you visit are not attracted to you. You, in no way shape or form, make their panties tangle. Either you need to change your Venue or change your style and appearance.

 

[bigdave17]

if you're going to continue to frequent the nightclubs that you are going to then you need to get some lower-quality clothes.

I must coshing you that the women that you find at these venues that you are attracted to, but are not attracted to you, obviously have no regard for someone who dresses well, and quality clothing. That should tell you a lot about who they really are. If you want to attract these lower-quality women, you are going to have to start dressing down.

I reiterate, the women that you see at the venue's you visit are not attracted to you. You, in no way shape or form, make their panties tangle. Either you need to change your Venue or change your style and appearance.

I doubt it has anything to do with how I dress

Why wouldn't a high class super nice dressing woman want a high class/upscale male? I'm not going after lower quality women. I'm only going after women who dress the same way I do

 

[bigdave17]

God you are so self-centered! I was not talking about whether or not you see women that you would like, I was talking about placing yourself in a venue where high quality women that you might be attracted to will also like your type!

your post originally said

You want high class and upscale and continue to admit you are not finding it where you are looking, and I can see why. Time to change your venue.

I never said that I'm not finding what I want. I always said that getting them to want to go out with me is obscenely difficult

 

[HankHill]

I'm the ultimate team player

If I have a friend who gets laid 5000 times a year and he's trying hard to get with a girl and I'm a virgin, I don't say anything except do everything in my power to help him get laid

Now that's just being silly! If he's any friend he would/should be helping you get laid! Being loyal to friends and family is a very good thing but don't be a martyr.
Sounds to me like, since you have a lot of friends and an expanse social circle, you need to ask your friends to hook you up with a solid girl.

 

[Spinach]

Thought the consensus was that Dave is gay. Women tend to notice that. Just saying....

 

[sazc]

I doubt it has anything to do with how I dress

Why wouldn't a high class super nice dressing woman want a high class/upscale male? I'm not going after lower quality women. I'm only going after women who dress the same way I do

So how is that working for you?

 

[sazc]

your post originally said



I never said that I'm not finding what I want. I always said that getting them to want to go out with me is obscenely difficult

I'm so confused, none of what you are doing is working for you, and you admit that, but then you continue to defend it, and presented as if it should be working for you, but it's not, and you know that.

Have you always been so hard headed?

 

[AJ84]

when I go out to bars or clubs, everything is completely perfect

hair
complexion/skin
shirt
jeans
shoes
belt
watch

everything matches perfectly
everything is super fitted and super upscale/high end to show off my great physique


the gay male version of me or the female version of me has 23850325802358258020583205023508235 suitors everywhere they go.

Wow. If I decided to wade in the depths of your thoughts I don't think I would even get my ankles wet. You come across as very very superficial and shallow and many women find that boring despite the pretty wrapping.

 

[zekko]

when I go out to bars or clubs, everything is completely perfect

hair
complexion/skin
shirt
jeans
shoes
belt
watch

everything matches perfectly
everything is super fitted and super upscale/high end to show off my great physique

There's your problem (well, one of them, anyway). Remember, Pook said "Perfect is boring"!

You dress and talk like you're stuck on yourself, which is highly repellent. Your narcissism is incongruent with your insecurity, and that is also highly repellent.

Take the stick out of your butt and get some lower grade clothes - guess what, they're cheap! You'll probably come across as more manly if you allow yourself to be less perfect once in awhile, or let a stray hair be out of place.

Also, if you are a virgin and your friend has been laid 5000 times, and you let him have the girl: You're not loyal, you're a doormat. Also highly repellent.

And get out of those clubs, unless you decide to bang some of the low class hos who frequent those places.

 

[bigdave17]

Wow. If I decided to wade in the depths of your thoughts I don't think I would even get my ankles wet. You come across as very very superficial and shallow and many women find that boring despite the pretty wrapping.

I do that because I feel that I need to look completely perfect to have any chance with a decent woman...and still its not good enough. I just got hair transplant done so I would be no longer an NW2 and would have a perfect hairline again. Its still not enough seemingly.

don't mistake that for me lacking substance. I can hold a good conversation on any subject matter and I'm extremely intelligent. **** I can spend a night just playing videogames and watching animated TV shows and have so much fun. I'm sort of a nerd at heart

I have customers at work who are rocket scientists who I get along like best friends with

 

[bigdave17]

There's your problem (well, one of them, anyway). Remember, Pook said "Perfect is boring"!

You dress and talk like you're stuck on yourself, which is highly repellent. Your narcissism is incongruent with your insecurity, and that is also highly repellent.

Take the stick out of your butt and get some lower grade clothes - guess what, they're cheap! You'll probably come across as more manly if you allow yourself to be less perfect once in awhile, or let a stray hair be out of place.

Also, if you are a virgin and your friend has been laid 5000 times, and you let him have the girl: You're not loyal, you're a doormat. Also highly repellent.

And get out of those clubs, unless you decide to bang some of the low class hos who frequent those places.

whats with people saying its low quality women only at bars and clubs?

tons of high quality women at bars. They're the ones usually in the corner rejecting 500 guys a night. The trashy ones are the ones approaching me and dying to be with me.

and again, this is why all this talk of chads cracks me up. If i go out to a bar and there are 100 guys there, maybe 3-5 have a more "perfect" overall look than I do and what are the odds any of those have the same integrity/morals/character I do and/or make 200K a year? yet its still not enough

 

[bigdave17]

I'm so confused, none of what you are doing is working for you, and you admit that, but then you continue to defend it, and presented as if it should be working for you, but it's not, and you know that.

Have you always been so hard headed?

you're saying its not working for me because I can't find women in my league

im saying I encounter lots like that but none of them want to be with me

 

[bigdave17]

That means they're out of your league, not in it

dude stop with your fukking bull****

I'm an above average looking man in my late 20s with great *presentation* looking for the same thing in a woman. I'm not a fat dude asking for a hottie. I'm not a 45 year old asking for a 20 year old

 

[zekko]

If i go out to a bar and there are 100 guys there, maybe 3-5 have a more "perfect" overall look than I do and what are the odds any of those have the same integrity/morals/character I do and/or make 200K a year? yet its still not enough

It's not that it's not enough. It's all too much.

 

[AJ84]

I do that because I feel that I need to look completely perfect to have any chance with a decent woman...and still its not good enough. I just got hair transplant done so I would be no longer an NW2 and would have a perfect hairline again. Its still not enough seemingly.

don't mistake that for me lacking substance. I can hold a good conversation on any subject matter and I'm extremely intelligent. **** I can spend a night just playing videogames and watching animated TV shows and have so much fun. I'm sort of a nerd at heart

I have customers at work who are rocket scientists who I get along like best friends with

I don't know what an NW2 is.

From a female perspective if you are approaching women looking like you walked off of a GQ magazine it will create a barrier between you and many women. I know that seems contradictory to women wanting a good looking man. Women do want good looking men, but not heavily manscaped looking male models. We can't relate to that. We want good looking men who don't look like they spent longer then us getting ready for an evening out. Because that comes off as feminine and women respond to masculine energy. Excessive grooming and fussing over hair, clothes, accessories is what women do and we don't want to see men doing that.

There's a balance of maintaining a decent appearance without going to far into metrosexual land. Care, but don't care too much. Does that make sense? This is what many of us love about men, that they can throw on some good fitting clean clothes and comb their hair nicely and be ready to go while we take do all the girly stuff and ask if we look good does our hair look good does this make us look fat etc etc. That's our annoying habit that we don't want to see in our men lol.

So just find some balance Dave because it really is a turn off for the average woman, including the hot women who put hours into their own appearance.

As for the ego, I certainly hope you are suppressing that when you interact with women because also, turn off. There's a modest way of being confident without having to advertise it.

When I said you are shallow I'm basing it off of what you post. So if what you post in any way manifests into how you interact with women then I can see how they may see you as shallow. Just something to be mindful of.

 

[bigdave17]

I don't know what an NW2 is.

From a female perspective if you are approaching women looking like you walked off of a GQ magazine it will create a barrier between you and many women. I know that seems contradictory to women wanting a good looking man. Women do want good looking men, but not heavily manscaped looking male models. We can't relate to that. We want good looking men who don't look like they spent longer then us getting ready for an evening out. Because that comes off as feminine and women respond to masculine energy. Excessive grooming and fussing over hair, clothes, accessories is what women do and we don't want to see men doing that.

There's a balance of maintaining a decent appearance without going to far into metrosexual land. Care, but don't care too much. Does that make sense? This is what many of us love about men, that they can throw on some good fitting clean clothes and comb their hair nicely and be ready to go while we take do all the girly stuff and ask if we look good does our hair look good does this make us look fat etc etc. That's our annoying habit that we don't want to see in our men lol.

So just find some balance Dave because it really is a turn off for the average woman, including the hot women who put hours into their own appearance.

As for the ego, I certainly hope you are suppressing that when you interact with women because also, turn off. There's a modest way of being confident without having to advertise it.

When I said you are shallow I'm basing it off of what you post. So if what you post in any way manifests into how you interact with women then I can see how they may see you as shallow. Just something to be mindful of.

I still look very masculine overall

the big muscles
the dark, masculine facial features (I have a great jawline/chin, thick eyebrows, thick neck)
my clothes are mostly dark grey, black and blue
my facial stubble is great (thick, dark)

I have a very carefully controlled "presentation" where I just look like a naturally great looking man who enjoys dressing nice. I don't look gay and I'm not overly groomed in the face. I don't pluck my eyebrows, I have some hair on my chest. I don't wear skinny jeans, everything is fitted but not too tight... I've been forced to be this obsessive with my appearance because it has gotten me barely any results. If I was average looking, I would probably be a virgin by now. This is how demanding women are nowadays

trust me, I'm much much much more than the price tag on my clothes or the size of my arms. I am genuinely a very good person and I enjoy a deep, intelligent, philosophical conversation as much as anybody. My dad has a masters degree in electrical engineering. Whenever I see him, all we talk about is the world, politics, history, etc...

and what ego? Most of the time, I have to pump myself up for 30 minutes to say hi to a girl I like. I still wonder if I'm good enough to have a decent girlfriend. I still feel like I need to be wayyyyyyyy more perfect to be good enough for a woman. I'm obsessed with self perfection because that's what women demand nowadays

I could do online dating and get zero replies because I'm only a 7.5/10 and not a 10/10 in the face (I can't control my ethnic facial features. I've maximized every aspect of myself as much as humanly possible and it still probably wouldn't be enough)

 

[bigdave17]

Your ethnic standards are way too high, no merely above average man can make such demands.

If you are incapable of doing the above, then you need to see a therapist and find out why.

I'm above average looking in the face. When it comes to the face, all I really want is a woman who is decent looking in the face. Everything else I require in a woman is a reflection of me

In great shape and dress super nice - I do
Classy and intelligent - I am
Super loyal, honest, reliable - I am
huge on family/friends values - I am
Decent job and decent with finances - I am (I'm being very conservative with my requirements here. I'm okay with a woman earning 30K as long as she's financially responsible)
no kids - I don't have any
mid to late 20s - basically my age

What am I asking for that I'm not providing myself? You guys make it seem like I'm a 45 year old fat guy asking for a 25 year old hottie

and I try to constantly meet new people and make friends but I've had absolutely zero luck in social circle game. Cold approaching women is very very difficult, as is online dating and bars of course.

 

[bigdave17]

It's not that it's not enough. It's all too much.

dude you're smoking crack

You go on dating sites and use a picture of a 10/10, super super groomed male model (who is probably wearing makeup) and you'll get tons of hot babes interested in you

I'm like a 7 or a 7.5/10, still well groomed but maintain a much more rugged appearance and I'm sure I would get zero replies on dating sites whatsoever unless I go after 5/10s or fat women or women over 34

Keep in mind, when I say that I make sure I look perfect, a big part of that is to still look very masculine. Yes my clothes are all fitted but they're often all black/dark colors, my muscles are popping out, yes I use lotion and some creams to make sure my skin tone is perfect but my face (nose, eyebrows, neck) is still very masculine looking, I have some chest hair (just the right amount) that you can see. I have a carefully controlled super well groomed but still heavily masculine look

 

[JonnyX]

@JonnyX Women do notice how you are dressed, and it does make a difference if you are dressed inappropriately depending on where you are or if you are dressed in clothes that you are not comfortable in. If you hate wearing a suit... and you show up at a party in a suit, there is a strong possibility that she will pick up on that. Women can smell out inauthenticity like a rotten egg.

She will notice if your clothes do not fit, or if your shoes are worn out. They notice little things.... she will notice if you are wearing an expensive watch or jewelry... she will know if you are wearing expensive shoes and if those shoes are clean and shined. She will notice if your tie does not match your suit.. she will notice if you have a button missing... that stain you thought was gone, if your shirt is laundered and pressed or if you just tossed it in the dryer to get out the wrinkles. She will notice all these things in the same time the average man has only notice her t!ts.

But I do agree in most cases it really doesn't matter WHAT you wear as long as you have a style that works for you, and what you are wearing fits and looks decent. A guy at a party in jeans and a polo shirt that fits his body, with no socks and deck shoes that are not worn out, will do better than a guy in a slightly wrinkled suit that doesn't fit him well... all other things being equal.

Well that may be true. But I always wear matching and decent clean fresh looking clothes. And of course appropriate to the environment. I thought that should go without saying. If you're crazy enough to try hitting on girls with a stained shirt, good luck to you.

I just mean if you're doing cold approach in a bar with a stylish t shirt jeans and casual shoes vs. doing it in a button up shirt, black pants and black shoes - I have never noticed a difference one way or another. Ditto with any other environment. I own a lot of nice clothes but I've always found the idea of paying hundreds of dollars for a designer jeans or t shirt or dress shirt absurd.

The only reason in my opinion to pay an unusually high price for clothes is if they're custom tailored to your body. eg. Tailored suit.

 

[bigdave17]

Well that may be true. But I always wear matching and decent clean fresh looking clothes. And of course appropriate to the environment. I thought that should go without saying. If you're crazy enough to try hitting on girls with a stained shirt, good luck to you.

I just mean if you're doing cold approach in a bar with a stylish t shirt jeans and casual shoes vs. doing it in a button up shirt, black pants and black shoes - I have never noticed a difference one way or another. Ditto with any other environment. I own a lot of nice clothes but I've always found the idea of paying hundreds of dollars for a designer jeans or t shirt or dress shirt absurd.

The only reason in my opinion to pay an unusually high price for clothes is if they're custom tailored to your body. eg. Tailored suit.

it doesn't sound like you're much into working out. Fitted upscale clothes really accentuate your physique