You Guys Need A Wakeup Call

[TheException]

You mean FEMININITY?

No, I dont. You guys "were NEVER masculine, you guys are ANTI-FEMININE." As far as i can see, you guys are a product of society just like the "nice guy" is. You have changed into a resentful guy BECAUSE of women.

You are confusing misogyny with awareness

Negative. Nice try though. As someone stated before im cleary aware of how women operate....and Im fine with it. Its tough for you to be truly aware when resentment blinds you.

OP, best you find a red pill and take it, quick smart.

Best you swallow a pill called pride. Wash it down with the excuses and complaints while your at it.

The "all women are precious flowers to be pedestalised and adored" way of thinking is a fast track to a living hell.

Absolutely. I dont advocate that.

lot's of white knight going around in this thread.


This term gets used incorrectly. Its meant to be reserved for the ultra beta who leaps to the defense of women IN ORDER SHE TAKES PITY ON HIS SOUL AND hopefully gives him a whiff of her vag1na.

I've always said that women look out for their own best interest above all else.


And alas ive found your flaw. Women are UNAWARE of there biologicial imperative pal....same reason why they dont LOGICALLY know what they are attracted to. You think WOMEN ACT THIS WAY ON PURPOSE when in fact they do not. They are emotional and fully act based on this biological needs....its ingrained. Just as we are to like sexy women.

Men are trained to look out for --> Women
Women are trained to look out for -->Women

"Look out" is a little vague. Id prefer:
-Men are trained to court women by being nice
-Women are trained to only select the best man....and its never the nice guy.

 

[PlayHer Man]

I actually think women are evil. But they're not all bad. And there are plenty of guys who suck too.

Some guys here paint such a horrible picture of women, I don't understand why they would ever even want to be around them, at all.


Yep. Curiously, if you like women, that makes you a "fag" in some people's eyes. Seems kind of strange, doesn't it?

I think the whole "You have to be a sociopath to attract women" idea is a loser's mentality.
Either you don't want to be a sociopath, but you compromise your principles to become one just so you can attract women; Or:

You want to be a sociopath, and this rationale gives you an excuse to act like one. Or:

You actually are a sociopath, in which case you have a severe personality disorder.

I happen to think I am better than any sociopath. Any woman who might choose such a sick individual over me would definitely not be worth my time.

People need to learn to READ.

I never said "You have to be a sociopath to GET women". This is exactly what I said word for word:

"You have to be a BORDERLINE sociopath to get RESPECT from women."

Any beta faggot can get a woman. Sex is one of the easiest things in the world to get. But if you want the hotties.. and you want those hotties to treat you well.. then YES you have to be a douche on some level.

Reality is not always pretty. Men on this site can either accept that real life relationships don't play out like a Disney movie romance.. or they can keep living in a bubble. Ignoring reality has no baring on reality.

 

[TheException]

Now for the positives...

News Flash: Your environment isn't what decides your attitude about life. It's you who does that


Truth^

good thread OP, i do see many bitter people on here. its nice to see positive stuff.

Always be positive. Complaining/crying does no good.

And no, guys, he is not "confusing misogyny with awareness". TheException clearly states that women are not the same as men, he isn't buying that. He knows evolution made men and women different. You missed this part:

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheException
Women are not evil and every(most) action can be explained from a biological/evolutionary reasoning. You have to understand women are HYPERGAMOUS. Meaning....one egg = one baby. They have to find THE BEST(most alpha) male to mate with. Soooo when you date a girl and you act like a chump....she leaves you/cheats on you for another guy. If you were a goddamn bada$$/DJ/Alpha.....she would NOT CHEAT/LEAVE. The focus needs to be on us and controlling our demons(brought on by social conditioning).

That's awareness. What he is criticizing is the "women are Evil" posts. The mark of the guy who strikes out and can't handle it. You see some deficient guys who obviously come to a forum like SoSuave only to vent, refusing to accept their own flaws.

Force is strong in this one....or he at the very least has reading comprehension skills lol.

The biggest change i've seen in how women react to me is when I realized for my age I actually am a great catch.. Got my own business, been through a lot and got the experience to show for it, confident, decent body and that women should be working to get me.

Yup. Change starts with you...not women. When you change, they notice. They are only to be taken along with you on YOUR RIDE to life domination. The quality women are more than just a hole to plug with your 2.25 inches....they are actually positives in your life.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy.
You are confusing misogyny with awareness. It is the experience of older posters that provide insight on the younger generation what THEY are up against.

...I can't help but thinking how often older posters try to disguise bitterness with wisdom.

Again, truth^

Its easy for people to disguise their true insecurities as "advice". Thats why i decided to make this post....so mucccchhh bad advice. Its doing no one a damn thing and probably making it worse actually. The ones that will "be saved" will see through their "curtain of wisdom" and decide who really is worth getting advice from.

Thanks for the contributions guys and positive words about the post.

 

[TheException]

I never said "You have to be a sociopath to GET women". This is exactly what I said word for word:

"You have to be a BORDERLINE sociopath to get RESPECT from women."

Not better. It still places the emphasis on women albeit that negative masculine energy i mentioned earlier....and its not even a true statement lol.

Any beta faggot can get a woman. Sex is one of the easiest things in the world to get.

Again. Not true. A lot of guys seek help because society has literally owned them and they are suffering from the illusion that women are to be catered to.

But if you want the hotties.. and you want those hotties to treat you well.. then YES you have to be a douche on some level.

My crystal ball tells me your followed the path of nice guy(LJBF all over the place) to resentful beta jerk.

Reality is not always pretty. Men on this site can either accept that real life relationships don't play out like a Disney movie romance.. or they can keep living in a bubble.

Truth^

Most new people that come here have this problem. They are not "unplugged" from society yet. I dont advocate the disney movie/chick flick lifestyle. Its different to view women as a positive vs they are selfish/you need to be a d1ck to get respected/negative view.

 

[TheCWord]

I think it's surprising that so many people will write here with such authority. THEY'RE right, YOU'RE wrong.

1. Life isn't black and white. It's many shades of grey. Those who take the "black and white pill" are the guys who come back on here crying, "My girlfriend and I were in love so I started ignoring her like you said and now she dumped me. What went wrong?" (spoiler alert to that question: she was BPD, you were beta, etc.)

2. Nobody on here can claim to have it all figured you. If they did, they wouldn't have come to SoSuave in the first place. Let's face it: everyone here, myself included, came on here because they weren't getting the kind of relationships with women that they wanted. Now, however many months or years later, you type in bold or sometimes bold AND red as if your word is somehow definitive, like it was sent down from god. Newsflash to those guys: If you knew every secret and were a natural, you wouldn't be on here. Naturals would never even find this site because they wouldn't be looking for it.

We're all here because we recognized an area of our lives that needed improving, we all have individual experiences that have shaped our perspectives and, hopefully, we come out the other end being better men and not victims of women.

 

[MaddXMan]

I read on here a long time ago words to the effect of - paraphrasing - "A DJ has a great time with women. An AFC has a godawful gut-wrenching time with women."

If you're in the latter category, either out of fustration or bitterness, you're doing it wrong.

 

[fuko2007]

I have to agree with both sides here. To a certin extent we all can be EVIL. But as men and we are all guilty of it , weve gotten into a relationship and let our guard down. Thus becoming what we all call an AFC, and you get left. Some women do it in a nicer way than others and for the men who get put down hard it creates resintment and hate toward all women. Also we have all been guilty of playing women and at one time or another broke ones heart, i know i have. So i dont think there are any EVIL women really....i think their are EVIL men and women alike. Its just how you view you life experience with the opposite sex that will determine how you view them. Thats my two sence worth.

Stay classy SS

 

[PlayHer Man]

And alas ive found your flaw. Women are UNAWARE of there biologicial imperative pal....same reason why they dont LOGICALLY know what they are attracted to. You think WOMEN ACT THIS WAY ON PURPOSE when in fact they do not. They are emotional and fully act based on this biological needs....its ingrained. Just as we are to like sexy women.

So why is this MY f*cking problem? They are adults with brains and YES they can make decisions. :crackup: :crackup:

I don't see too many women giving cheating men a pass because of "biology".

I never said "You have to be a sociopath to GET women". This is exactly what I said word for word:

"You have to be a BORDERLINE sociopath to get RESPECT from women."

Not better. It still places the emphasis on women albeit that negative masculine energy i mentioned earlier....and its not even a true statement lol.

Its true more often than its false. If you look at history.. the most ruthless (Hilter) scum of the earth often got laid easier than the kiss-ass.

Bottom line --> Women are indifferent to morals when sexual attraction is involved. But a bad-ass is sexier than a kiss-ass. If you're not one.. you're often the other.. :yes:

Any beta faggot can get a woman. Sex is one of the easiest things in the world to get.

Again. Not true. A lot of guys seek help because society has literally owned them and they are suffering from the illusion that women are to be catered to.

WRONG. At least 90% of men (in the western world) can easily get laid if they lower their standards enough. But everyone wants the hotties.

But if you want the hotties.. and you want those hotties to treat you well.. then YES you have to be a douche on some level.

My crystal ball tells me your followed the path of nice guy(LJBF all over the place) to resentful beta jerk.

Sounds like vaginal shaming to me. Just an insult with no message behind it. Try again.

 

[JoeMarron]

Everyone is going to believe whatever their life experience reflects. Read the experiences of others and if they make sense to you accept it or try it out. If you tried it out and it doesn't work or if it doesn't make sense to you discard it. That's how I view this forum.

 

[TheException]

So why is this MY f*cking problem? They are adults with brains and YES they can make decisions.

Welp....there ya go. We always talk about never listening to a woman about dating advice but rather her actions. Remember...women dont make RATIONAL decisions when it comes to dating/relationships. Can they make a decision to buy a car? Ya. Decide what they want to do for a living? Sure. Decide what turns them on and why they dump their boyfriend for an alpha d1ck? Nope...

So ya...it is your problem...for now.

 

[Jaylan]

OP you make good points.

Fact of the matter is, some men suck, and some women suck as well. And despite what some posters say, men can be just as selfish and as self-serving as some women can be.

And while Ive been through some really frustrating experiences with women, I still love women. Unlike many guys, I dont waste my time fixating on the crappy women. Id rather use my energy finding the good and fun women that exist.

What you gotta realize OP, is that many guys on this forum, and many guys who make it to these kind of forums in general, are dudes who have a grudge against women for whatever reason. Some are bitter about lack of success in dating or relationships, or they got burned by a really bad woman. Its somewhat understandable how they come to their views, but it wont help them become better with women, which is why most are here.

Ill say this; the men I have met in my life who have truly been successful with women and have had happy relationship with them, are guys who truly like and love women. These are guys who really appreciate how women complement men, and how men complement women.

 

[Big Nuts]

Jaylan: Have you been a$$ raped in court? Robbed of your children? Just because some chick rejected you at the movies doesn't quite compare to losing everything you dreamed of because we have feminist cvunts and manginas making excuses for brutal female behavior.

Male frustrations sometimes manifest themselves by sounding like "misogyny". Frustration does not mean men hate women. I have been around long enough to never trust men who use that word to describe otherwise frustrated men. They are not to be trusted....as men. The mangina/white knight is to be shamed and humiliated.

 

[Chickfight]

There is really no point in arguing in this thread, because it's like debating the existence of god with an evangelical christian: for them, god HAS to exist - otherwise, they lose their identity.

Likewise here, women HAVE to be evil - otherwise, why am I single and in my 50s?

Yes, I stepped on the age line there and I paused before doing so because there are guys like Atom who write very insightful posts and are probably single for different reasons... And, hell, I'm 29 and could still end up single at 49, who knows. But when I read things like this...



...I can't help but thinking how often older posters try to disguise bitterness with wisdom.

For the older guys who have been divorced or have just never been married - I completely sympathize. I'm sure they've been hurt just as I'm sure they're really great guys who didn't deserve to be hurt. The same is true for guys in their twenties or thirties who have been burned by bad relationships.

But statements like the above quote rarely read as wisdom. It comes across as projection. "I know how things are because I've seen how terrible women can be because I've been divorced and I've been hurt and I'm in my fifties or sixties while my friends are having grandkids because they don't realize how bad they have it and YOU are just oh-so-blind to how women are."

While the experience the older posters on this site provide is (beyond any doubt) INCREDIBLY BENEFICIAL and helps us to understand women, shed our white knight armor, and keep women off pedestals - we must be careful how much and of what we take to heart on here... especially when it comes to talking about women when we should really be talking about ourselves and our attitudes...

There are a lot of men on here who have had bad experiences with women and need to believe things are a certain way lest they feel that the reason they are posting on an internet dating message board during their mid-life is their fault and not the dreaded woman's.

I think discussions on here are most productive when we talk about ways to improve ourselves, and how to be real men... with the subtext always being that we are developing into men who are attractive to women and learning how to be successful in dating them. That does not mean supplicating to women's desires or acting feminine - it just means not bringing women down in order to build ourselves up.

Very insightful thread, both the subject matter and the responses.

The state of this board now leaves a lot to be desired. There are some veteran posters who literally hate women indiscriminately and new members trying to get over a painful breakup or become big pimps soak it all up and follow them like yes-men. Now and again I see more wise and level-headed responses, but there's actually a majority of posters who are grown men, but act like 10 years olds. "Boys are better than giiirls". It's sad, but I can't blame them. Pain can twist people in strange ways.

It's a vicious cycle too. Guy's treat women like ****, they attract women who are attracted to that and obviously are not the most put together people. These women confirm their beliefs and the cycle goes on.

I don't understand how the basic advice of seduction of "Don't be needy, clingy, don't be her b!tch, be confident" turned into women are inferior, treat them all like sh!t and you'll get laid. It's just common sense. These kinds of behavior are unattractive to anyone, men and women. The only difference is men will still have sex with women who display these behaviors if their reasonably attractive. They just won't get into a relationship with them. How does this make us better. I respect some men and some women. Their sex doesn't affect my judgement of their character.

 

[BeDJ]

TheException = plate's_empty?

Some of you guys have been put through the ringer, as I have during various times in my life. As I must do, I'll leave some last words. Take it or leave it, it's up to you.

Hang in there, it will get better. If it doesn't, you can always improve on yourself....always. And good things will come.

Keep your eyes open and know what you're looking for. All women are different....remember that. Contrary to popular belief, there are some good ones out there. I can attest to this.

I've seen all kinds, been with all kinds. Tricks and strategies will get you in the door but it won't keep the good ones around. Build your inner game. The best conversations you can have with a woman are natural and real. If they know the real you then you have nothing to worry about, if they go...let them.

For those who have been sucked into a relationship with an evil one. Don't let her ruin you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_3giQit92I


"I shall allow no woman to belittle my soul by making me hate her."
-Booker T. Washington quote edited by plate's_empty



Find your way.



Smile, it's going to be fun.




-plate

 

[yougottaknow90]

playher_man needs help.

some sort of psychologist or psychiatrist or something.

quite a few of the posters on this board do, actually.

childhood rejection has left its scars on these individuals.

edit: it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together. look at the age of some of the posters here and their marital status.

some of the old timers give out classic advice. most of them, however, are not single by choice. they've only deluded themselves into believing that and intend on brainwashing you into the same miserable mentality.

 

[Jaylan]

Jaylan: Have you been a$$ raped in court? Robbed of your children? Just because some chick rejected you at the movies doesn't quite compare to losing everything you dreamed of because we have feminist cvunts and manginas making excuses for brutal female behavior.

I clearly say bad females exist and its somewhat understandable when some guys are bitter about their life experiences. That said, I also stated that focusing on negativity WILL NOT make you better with women.

THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS FORUM. Becoming better with women! So I dont see how constantly pointing out the worst women and whining about them will help guys get better with women. Even though some terrible chicks exist in the world, it doesnt mean a guy cannot still pick himself up and find a good woman.

Im saying men should focus on finding the good ones instead of obsessing over the crappy ones.

Male frustrations sometimes manifest themselves by sounding like "misogyny". Frustration does not mean men hate women. I have been around long enough to never trust men who use that word to describe otherwise frustrated men. They are not to be trusted....as men. The mangina/white knight is to be shamed and humiliated.

Gimme a break. If a woman was constantly whining about men and talking about all the bad things they do, guys here would be quick to call her a misandrist. Its hard not to look like a misandrist or a misogynist when every third post someone makes is about how crappy either sex is.

 

[dajinn]

Lol this thread is sh!t. The "most alpha male to mate with"? What the fuk am I reading. Did I just travel back in time ten thousand years?

 

[yougottaknow90]

Lol this thread is sh!t. The "most alpha male to mate with"? What the fuk am I reading. Did I just travel back in time ten thousand years?

the alpha male and evolutionary psychology stuff is legitimate to a degree.

it just sounds off because 95% of the posters here don't know wtf they're talking about when it comes to evolutionary psych and mating. they theorycraft and regurgitate crap they've read online. it's exponentially funnier when you have o'reilly type conservatives applying this sort of stuff to game (they exist on this board and they know who they are).

i say it's only legitimate to a degree since our mental faculties have equipped us with the ability to act beyond our biological underpinnings. this one of the key features separating us from other animals.

 

[djjizzyjeff]

I actually think women are evil. But they're not all bad. And there are plenty of guys who suck too..

True.

Some guys here paint such a horrible picture of women, I don't understand why they would ever even want to be around them, at all.

You aren't the only one who thinks that.

Yep. Curiously, if you like women, that makes you a "fag" in some people's eyes. Seems kind of strange, doesn't it?

Weird how that works on here..

I think the whole "You have to be a sociopath to attract women" idea is a loser's mentality.
Either you don't want to be a sociopath, but you compromise your principles to become one just so you can attract women; Or:

You want to be a sociopath, and this rationale gives you an excuse to act like one. Or:

You actually are a sociopath, in which case you have a severe personality disorder.

I happen to think I am better than any sociopath. Any woman who might choose such a sick individual over me would definitely not be worth my time.

Exactly. Let's chase hot chicks who are attracted to borderline sociopaths. Of course all hotties want douchebags. LMAO. Reading some of the nonsense on here you can tell who has zero experience with hot chicks. They form a mental opinion based on butthurt, and "butthurt feel good" sheep agreement and lump all "hotties" as the same. It's obvious some of these dudes only deal with trashy chicks and have never had normal hot chicks as friends, aquaintences, let alone girlfriends.

It's laughably obvious the KJing clowns on SS mincing words with grey areas of "truth".

If some of these dudes were ever around the hotties they love to KJ about on SS they'd friggin cry in a corner, go home, and report their "truths" from a distance on SS while not doing jack squat in real life. It's hilarious.

 

[HedoRick]

For some reason women really seem to love guys like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVtEX1J7tXQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed3qTlzIT_E