You don't want a smart girl. Stop asking them to be.

[HaleyBaron]

A man that depends on a woman for her intelligence and conversation is a man with little friends or purpose in life.

 

[SW15]

Bringing women to social functions is so overrated. In my 20s and the very beginning of my 30s, I used to think to having a woman to bring to social functions was important. As my friends started marrying off, I started getting invited to fewer social functions. This was happening in the few years prior to the pandemic. If you're an unmarried, unattached/marginally attached guy over 30, you'll have essentially zero social functions once all your friends marry or have multi-year relationships. Those people don't want you around dinners or larger group private residence parties.

There's a reason for this. The girlfriend usually is the one that gets invited or asks to join. That is the only reason the guy comes along. They do not necessarily keep you out for the thrill of it. It is simply due to the logistics of becoming an unofficial double date night [or more than that due to multi couples]. Currently my circle is having a lot of girls and guys hooking up. What is funny is that everyone never sees me bring any girls along so I am curious if they fit me into the same group as the beta singles in our friend group or if they just think I am a troublemaker. They have seen me with hot girls so I wish I knew what all the gossip was about me behind the scenes. I often have girls of this group, even in couple, flirt with me. That is nothing to brag about but I often wonder if I am kicking any interest in some of the girls' head.

Interesting points @HaleyBaron.

I noticed the number of social functions was higher in my circle before marriages/cohabitations started. In my circle, once the marriages/cohabitations started, people started moving further away from each other and into their own isolated existences in various suburbs of the main city. Often times, the dogs and then the owned homes started to become the center of attention. Then, some people moved to other cities. A couple of people who I considered to be on the fringes of the circle had children, but long after the social functions had diminished.

As a childless, petless renter near the center of the main city, I became the countercultural guy in the circle.

A man that depends on a woman for her intelligence and conversation is a man with little friends or purpose in life.

Yes and no. There are times where a man will see his friends disappear to marriages/cohabitations. That man might resort to women for intelligence and conversation. I have had that happen to me but I haven't relied upon women for intelligence and conversation.

I agree that a man needs someone else besides a woman for intelligence and conversation. If he can't get it from his male friends, he might be able to get it from a male sibling, father, uncle, or cousin before he turns to a woman for it. Or make a new friend or two.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Hehe

Some of y’all’s are psychopaths.


Much of the conversation here, explains my successes in wooing hot, intelligent, successful women into my bed. I like taking a fit, intelligent, successful woman - and turning her into my sex kitten. I don’t mind the challenge, and I savor the results - to each their own.

Each of us has his preferences; it’s part of what makes the world so fascinating! This discussion, while informative, is subjective at best. We are talking AT each other and will most likely not change any minds, and that’s OK.

All the best.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Hehe

Some of y’all’s are psychopaths.


Much of the conversation here, explains my successes in wooing hot, intelligent, successful women into my bed. I like taking a fit, intelligent, successful woman - and turning her into my sex kitten. I don’t mind the challenge, and I savor the results - to each their own.

Each of us has his preferences; it’s part of what makes the world so fascinating! This discussion, while informative, is subjective at best. We are talking AT each other and will most likely not change any minds, and that’s OK.

All the best.

Some of us can do that without appealing to a woman's narcissism. You're not as elevated as you believe.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Women with advanced degrees who enter professions in law and medicine are terrible wives. They're even terrible as non-marital girlfriends. Even trying to go on 1-2 dates with them in order to pump and dump them isn't good either.

The typical male will rarely end up cold approaching a female lawyer in real life. I've been out of college for 17 years and only had 2 approaches in real life on female lawyers. In those 17 years, I have seen far more than 2 female lawyers on swipe apps and on dating websites prior to swipe apps getting big. Female lawyers are so busy working that they're not likely to be the person you talk to in a grocery store or in a park/on a walking path. Some female doctors, like dentists and dermatologists, have some free time so you might end up cold approaching them but that's rare too.

Paralegals and dental hygienists are way better interactions on every level.



There are scenarios in porn where the female porn star plays a Psychologist, Attorney, or Medical Doctor. It's usually the 30+ porn star. Even the typical 30s porn star is more physically fit than the typical 30 something woman in real life.

Most men are watching porn for the looks of the woman and nothing else.

Men want hot sex with hot women. Younger is always better.

Companionship with older, educated average looking women is not that good. I only want female companionship with a female when I am putting my penis inside her.



Tell us more about what that was like. I'm an early Millennial. I might have experienced that in the 2000s in my early to mid 20s but I don't even remember that.





I would rather wake up next to an unintelligent woman with an attractive body than an overweight woman.



Bringing women to social functions is so overrated. In my 20s and the very beginning of my 30s, I used to think to having a woman to bring to social functions was important. As my friends started marrying off, I started getting invited to fewer social functions. This was happening in the few years prior to the pandemic. If you're an unmarried, unattached/marginally attached guy over 30, you'll have essentially zero social functions once all your friends marry or have multi-year relationships. Those people don't want you around dinners or larger group private residence parties.

I would be fine with average intelligence and zero education. Nodding and smiling is what I need. Top quality, frequent trim is the best.



Option 2 is better than Option 1.

You neglected to mention something very important. Option 2 is way more in demand than Option 1. If consider women 27 or 30+, you're going to see way more Option 1's out there, especially among White women. Nearly every childless White woman 30-35 is an Option 1.

I also think you're a little optimistic about trusting an Option 1 to back you up if you need help. A lot of Option 1's are self-absorbed. Option 1 can at least run their lives reasonably well and not do super dumb shiit.

We need game for these b1tches to put them in their place. The rightful Tyrone and Chads know the game and pound them out like any other.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Yup, I remember the first time I had a beer.

Some of us can do that without appealing to a woman's narcissism. You're not as elevated as you believe.

 

[lost_blackbird]

I have good news. There are also women with hot bodies that are not dumb fvcks. With no swagger intended, I'll say.... once you've had one, you just can't look at the dumb fvcks with any enthusiasm (while, sober.. that is) .

Yeah, I married one, two degrees, six figure salary as an Actuary, 10 years my junior and a very
good pole dancer with the physique you'd expect from someone who teaches pole dancing in
her spare time. She's competition good. Perfect teeth, hair and body. But that feminism and SJW
garbage ruined her for me. She wasn't always like that and was very feminine at 18 when I first took up
with her as a new university student, some 20 years later with her career and all she was a completely
different person and treated me more like an employee than a husband, hence my move into the spare
room for the final 4 years of our marriage and eventual split when I was forced to tell her I didn't want
to fk her and she didn't make me happy.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yup, I remember the first time I had a beer.

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Do you remember when you broke your cherry?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

absolutely

Do you remember when you broke your cherry?

 

[HaleyBaron]

Yeah, I married one, two degrees, six figure salary as an Actuary, 10 years my junior and a very
good pole dancer with the physique you'd expect from someone who teaches pole dancing in
her spare time. She's competition good. Perfect teeth, hair and body. But that feminism and SJW
garbage ruined her for me. She wasn't always like that and was very feminine at 18 when I first took up
with her as a new university student, some 20 years later with her career and all she was a completely
different person and treated me more like an employee than a husband, hence my move into the spare
room for the final 4 years of our marriage and eventual split when I was forced to tell her I didn't want
to fk her and she didn't make me happy.

Thinking about it, spending so many years with a woman seems like a bad idea. Then again, men were use to going off on long journeys or doing something else extravagant that placed them in little contact with their woman except for child rearing and sex. I still think the natural state of a man is the leader of his tribe with multiple women with his children as he goes off to protect them with his brothers in arms. And then ****ing foreign women he run into from other tribes or countries.

 

[EyeBRollin]

All things equal I prefer her to be smart. I don’t want any bad genes passed on to my kids.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Also, @HaleyBaron you posted in another thread that a big problem with women is that they are "socially inept." At the risk of sounding rude, one has to wonder what you expect when you seek out dumb ass women; of course they're socially inept, the two go hand in hand..

Humans in general don’t realize that the behaviors that they experience are self-selected based on other criteria.

E.g. If you seek chicks that’ll sleep with you 30 minutes after meeting you you’re gunna get a lot of chaff with that wheat. Instead we tell ourselves -NAH I jus so sekzy.

 

[zinc4]

Lot of hot takes on this forum about guys wanting a smart and mature woman. Literally why? Women's value isn't for their smartness or their maturity. In fact, smartness and maturity for men is far different to smart & maturity in definition of women. When I hear that, it makes it sound like some of you guys want is a mother or teacher figure. Cause she is your ideal image of a smart and mature woman. But smart and mature women aren't attractive unless she is the exceptional hot milf fantasy. What's attractive is the sexual qualities a woman presents: nice body and other aesthetic choices. We even take the typical librarian archetype and twist her sexually into a short skirt, big bosom female beneath the glasses.

You don't want a smart women in the way you think.

The problem with most "smart" women is, they aren't really independent thinks. They just parrot a lot of book knowledge and ideas. Nothing really original. Book smart feminists are particularly annoying.

I could honestly care less how smart a woman is though and hyper ambitious women are a turn off to me. Ambition is more of a masculine trait imo.

Genuine kindness and modesty are the most impressive personality traits in a woman imo.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

I disagree to an extent:

"Dumb women are trouble because they're dumb, not because they're women. Seems like some users in the forum struggle with issues of low IQ in who they're dating and attribute them to issues of women in general."

Don't date a dumbass

Dumb women are trouble because they're dumb, not because they're women. Seems like some users in the forum struggle with issues of low IQ in who they're dating and attribute them to issues of women in general. tl;dr; don't date a dumbass

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However, having dated two PhDs (as a HS dropout), never again. Also, regardless of intelligence, women and men have DRASTICALLY different interests & places to apply smarts so it's not obvious to men how smart a particular woman is.

 

[Murk]

My IQ is 136 I enjoy intelligent women, I have adhd too, I need mental stimulation. Dumb women make me unhappy. I enjoy the look and behaviour an intelligent women exerts when she realises I’m smarter than her, when intelligent women submit to me.

I’m sorry if that doesn’t make you happy but not everyone is the same, you stay with your colouring books, as we all know ignorance is bliss.

The problem with most "smart" women is, they aren't really independent thinks. They just parrot a lot of book knowledge and ideas. Nothing really original. Book smart feminists are particularly annoying.

People in this thread seem to be confusing intelligence with education/academic achievement. Passing school/exams is a memory exercise. I am talking about critical thinking, EQ, independent thought, problem solving etc not what exams they have passed.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If I were to guess, I'd say one of the best examples of this type of girl is the home grown artsy like girls. She doesn't care much for makeup and seems to be more about the nature side of things. She likes painting stuff, getting gadgets for the house, and other frivolities. The contrast and compliment to a man's professional life. Doesn't care much for feminism save for the small things and will try to support you here and there. I know some old guys who had wives like this and they do not make them like they use to, that's for certain. Ironically, it goes well with that chart SW15 linked.

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This graph is bulls eye.

 

[The Duke]

I once dated a very smart girl. I told her she was the smartest girl I had ever known and that offended her. Lol. The fact that I said she was the smartest "girl" upset her. I told her that in my technical field I worked with many ultra smart people. It didn't matter even tho It was a true compliment.

She turned out to be one of those independent career women who had to battle men to get to where she was at in her career and it bothered her. She didn't ever acknowledge that her lack of a college degree might have held her back in career advancement.

 

[The Duke]

I've always ended relationships where there was no depth in our conversations. I can't talk about the Kardashians, sports, celebrity drama, friend drama, etc. It needs to be about what makes people tick, critical thinkers, and things that go far deeper than the surface if a girl is to be long term material.

As far as smart goes I don't care about book smarts.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I once dated a very smart girl. I told her she was the smartest girl I had ever known and that offended her. Lol. The fact that I said she was the smartest "girl" upset her. I told her that in my technical field I worked with many ultra smart people. It didn't matter even tho It was a true compliment.

She turned out to be one of those independent career women who had to battle men to get to where she was at in her career and it bothered her. She didn't ever acknowledge that her lack of a college degree might have held her back in career advancement.

Women are insecure af. Even the act of getting degrees is a way to fight that.

 

[HaleyBaron]

You are going to spend a huge amount of time with her and doing what she wants to do. I would much prefer a smart woman. It's true that this is something you might need to forego given the market.

The problem is that what is a smart woman? What makes a woman smart? Is the woman that knows her value without needing a degree smart? Or is the career woman the smart one?