You don't want a smart girl. Stop asking them to be.

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You can't be serious.

If you actually believe this, let me know and I'll attempt to dummy down my original posting for your comprehension.

Perhaps your preference for unintelligent women is an example of the old saying... "birds flock together?"
That's a strawman. It has nothing to do with me wanting her to be as intelligent as me. Smart women aren't attractive. My d*ck doesn't rise when a woman is trying to talk physics or some other matter with me. It's further hurts it cause I know she is unable to think as deeply about a topic as a man can. It's just not possible with her brain.

Now. I want to hear what you mean by that self respect comment. From the writing:

It’s not a matter of needing a mother figure or a philosophy buddy. It’s a matter of not allowing your pointer to override your self-respect.
You specifically want a woman like that because it correlates to your self respect. You are tying the woman to your idea of respect.
 

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Now. I want to hear what you mean by that self respect comment.
Sleeping with a dumb fvck is the equivalent to sleeping with a fattie (one is unsightly physically and the other verbally). Like most people, I've worn beer goggles (or beer headphones) before. At least then, we look back and remind ourselves that we were drunk. When sober, my self-respect prevents me from picking either type of low hanging fruit.

If you are turned off or intimidated by women of any sort of intellect, that's your preference. Some forum members here like women that are big. If that's what turns them on, then cool. Neither happen to be my type though.
 

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Sleeping with a dumb fvck is the equivalent to sleeping with a fattie (one is unsightly physically and the other verbally). Like most people, I've worn beer goggles (or beer headphones) before. At least then, we look back and remind ourselves that we were drunk. When sober, my self-respect prevents me from picking either type of low hanging fruit.
If that dumb girl has a hot body, why the hell does it matter? Far different from waking up next to a fat chick. Waaaaay different.
 

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If that dumb girl has a hot body, why the hell does it matter? Far different from waking up next to a fat chick. Waaaaay different.
I have good news. There are also women with hot bodies that are not dumb fvcks. With no swagger intended, I'll say.... once you've had one, you just can't look at the dumb fvcks with any enthusiasm (while, sober.. that is) .
 

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Timely post bro. Here is the thing. You have two options

1.) Smart educated independent women: This chick is your typical masculine pain in the azz. She will challenge you on everything but you can trust her to be your back up if you need a little help. You can trust her to plan and take care of certain things.

2.) Submissive uneducated liability women: These chicks are very feminine but they cant do anything on their own. It's basically like having another child. You have to hold her hand with everything. You cant trust them to plan vacations, or pay bills etc.

Each one has pros and cons. I am dealing with #2 right now and its tough sometimes but its much much better than #1.
 

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If you want to just bang a woman, I agree with the spirit of the post.

But for a relationship, you don't want some dumb airhead. And for kids, well you don't want dumb kids.

Intellectuals of any kind have the IQ to realize that they're better than most people, and most of them buy into it and become insufferable by doing so. But that doesn't mean you can't find a smart woman that has her head on mostly straight.
 

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True story: I struggle to maintain a relationship with an minor actress once upon a time. She had what I consider the perfect physique and had hat I considered to be truly stunning features and hair. The trim was among the best ever.

In the end I simply could not, because she was of average intelligence, and zero education. Whenever I tried to relate to her she admitted she didn’t understand most of what I said at one point. She just nodded and smiled.

It worked for months, I was enthralled by her physical attractiveness, then it became out right embarrassing to have her around acquaintances for example at dinner she’d look lost and bored.

it was painful to end the relationship but she was dumb as a fraking post. I could not stand having to explain things to her repeatedly. For the record she would do stupid **** all the time, that resulted in her losing money or getting into situations that were not good.

All that but one of the finest pieces of trim I’ve ever experienced. Sigh, I would have happily paid $100k to buy her 20 more points of IQ.
 

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True story: I struggle to maintain a relationship with an minor actress once upon a time. She had what I consider the perfect physique and had hat I considered to be truly stunning features and hair. The trim was among the best ever.

In the end I simply could not, because she was of average intelligence, and zero education. Whenever I tried to relate to her she admitted she didn’t understand most of what I said at one point. She just nodded and smiled.

It worked for months, I was enthralled by her physical attractiveness, then it became out right embarrassing to have her around acquaintances for example at dinner she’d look lost and bored.

it was painful to end the relationship but she was dumb as a fraking post. I could not stand having to explain things to her repeatedly. For the record she would do stupid **** all the time, that resulted in her losing money or getting into situations that were not good.

All that but one of the finest pieces of trim I’ve ever experienced. Sigh, I would have happily paid $100k to buy her 20 more points of IQ.
I know this scenario well. I can think of a few that were fun the first night. But then I had to weigh things out; Would I want to hook up with them again --- realizing that I'd have to pause and think of ways to simplify my conversation (and also pretend to be interested in what they had to say) or use that incident as a memory for the spank-bank. When you've woken up beside a dumb fvck and they seem to amplify the hangover, you learn your lesson quickly.
 

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I find it fascinating that some of you think a beautiful woman cannot be intelligent.

This forum is interesting af, as a social experiment.
Most of the beautiful women I've met were far better to look at than to talk to.
 

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Ideally, you want the B/C student at a public university with a semi-useful degree (Women's Studies or Fine Art are not useful). The best option are trade school women in a useful trade. Dental hygienists have a useful trade degree, but there are others.

Female lawyers and dentists are not good for girlfriends or wives. Female paralegals and dental hygienists are far more likely to make better girlfriends or wives.
Your assessment on the end is very good. Certain professions will lead to them desiring full control in every aspect and that cannot work for a man if you are married to her.
Women with advanced degrees who enter professions in law and medicine are terrible wives. They're even terrible as non-marital girlfriends. Even trying to go on 1-2 dates with them in order to pump and dump them isn't good either.

The typical male will rarely end up cold approaching a female lawyer in real life. I've been out of college for 17 years and only had 2 approaches in real life on female lawyers. In those 17 years, I have seen far more than 2 female lawyers on swipe apps and on dating websites prior to swipe apps getting big. Female lawyers are so busy working that they're not likely to be the person you talk to in a grocery store or in a park/on a walking path. Some female doctors, like dentists and dermatologists, have some free time so you might end up cold approaching them but that's rare too.

Paralegals and dental hygienists are way better interactions on every level.

I think men want companionship with older, educated average looking women
They want hot sex and babies with young, fertile, hot women.

I don’t think guys watch adult entertainment because the women in it has a PhD. They watch it because she is young and sexy.
There are scenarios in porn where the female porn star plays a Psychologist, Attorney, or Medical Doctor. It's usually the 30+ porn star. Even the typical 30s porn star is more physically fit than the typical 30 something woman in real life.

Most men are watching porn for the looks of the woman and nothing else.

Men want hot sex with hot women. Younger is always better.

Companionship with older, educated average looking women is not that good. I only want female companionship with a female when I am putting my penis inside her.

As a Gen Xer, I was able to date some intelligent women back in the day before intelligent became comorbid with SJW/woke lol.
Tell us more about what that was like. I'm an early Millennial. I might have experienced that in the 2000s in my early to mid 20s but I don't even remember that.

Most of the beautiful women I've met were far better to look at than to talk to.
If that dumb girl has a hot body, why the hell does it matter? Far different from waking up next to a fat chick. Waaaaay different.
I would rather wake up next to an unintelligent woman with an attractive body than an overweight woman.

True story: I struggle to maintain a relationship with an minor actress once upon a time. She had what I consider the perfect physique and had hat I considered to be truly stunning features and hair. The trim was among the best ever.

In the end I simply could not, because she was of average intelligence, and zero education. Whenever I tried to relate to her she admitted she didn’t understand most of what I said at one point. She just nodded and smiled.

It worked for months, I was enthralled by her physical attractiveness, then it became out right embarrassing to have her around acquaintances for example at dinner she’d look lost and bored.

it was painful to end the relationship but she was dumb as a fraking post. I could not stand having to explain things to her repeatedly. For the record she would do stupid **** all the time, that resulted in her losing money or getting into situations that were not good.

All that but one of the finest pieces of trim I’ve ever experienced. Sigh, I would have happily paid $100k to buy her 20 more points of IQ.
Bringing women to social functions is so overrated. In my 20s and the very beginning of my 30s, I used to think to having a woman to bring to social functions was important. As my friends started marrying off, I started getting invited to fewer social functions. This was happening in the few years prior to the pandemic. If you're an unmarried, unattached/marginally attached guy over 30, you'll have essentially zero social functions once all your friends marry or have multi-year relationships. Those people don't want you around dinners or larger group private residence parties.

I would be fine with average intelligence and zero education. Nodding and smiling is what I need. Top quality, frequent trim is the best.

Timely post bro. Here is the thing. You have two options

1.) Smart educated independent women: This chick is your typical masculine pain in the azz. She will challenge you on everything but you can trust her to be your back up if you need a little help. You can trust her to plan and take care of certain things.

2.) Submissive uneducated liability women: These chicks are very feminine but they cant do anything on their own. It's basically like having another child. You have to hold her hand with everything. You cant trust them to plan vacations, or pay bills etc.

Each one has pros and cons. I am dealing with #2 right now and its tough sometimes but its much much better than #1.
Option 2 is better than Option 1.

You neglected to mention something very important. Option 2 is way more in demand than Option 1. If consider women 27 or 30+, you're going to see way more Option 1's out there, especially among White women. Nearly every childless White woman 30-35 is an Option 1.

I also think you're a little optimistic about trusting an Option 1 to back you up if you need help. A lot of Option 1's are self-absorbed. Option 1 can at least run their lives reasonably well and not do super dumb shiit.
 

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Bringing women to social functions is so overrated. In my 20s and the very beginning of my 30s, I used to think to having a woman to bring to social functions was important. As my friends started marrying off, I started getting invited to fewer social functions. This was happening in the few years prior to the pandemic. If you're an unmarried, unattached/marginally attached guy over 30, you'll have essentially zero social functions once all your friends marry or have multi-year relationships. Those people don't want you around dinners or larger group private residence parties.
There's a reason for this. The girlfriend usually is the one that gets invited or asks to join. That is the only reason the guy comes along. They do not necessarily keep you out for the thrill of it. It is simply due to the logistics of becoming an unofficial double date night [or more than that due to multi couples]. Currently my circle is having a lot of girls and guys hooking up. What is funny is that everyone never sees me bring any girls along so I am curious if they fit me into the same group as the beta singles in our friend group or if they just think I am a troublemaker. They have seen me with hot girls so I wish I knew what all the gossip was about me behind the scenes. I often have girls of this group, even in couple, flirt with me. That is nothing to brag about but I often wonder if I am kicking any interest in some of the girls' head.
 

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Tell us more about what that was like. I'm an early Millennial. I might have experienced that in the 2000s in my early to mid 20s but I don't even remember that.
I dated a few (B.S. level) teachers in the very early 2000s. I found the dates very enjoyable. I enjoyed their nerdy, playful sarcasm. Conversations generally did not drift into hot button social issues then ime.

I fully agree with you about the B.S. degree (from a regular school) max theory*. It is sort of a "sweet spot" where she is sufficiently bright/educated, but less likely to be pretentious. I dated an associates degree nurse in 2008. We got along very well. Right now, my target would be B.S. level.

*The only area where I slightly disagree is on dental hygiene. I think that is typically a B.S. degree rather than a trade school diploma. But the principle is still the same.
 
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I actually disagree on the dental hygienists. They can be as**holes. They try to be commanding cause they consider themselves "doctors" so they have a higher ego investment.
 

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Intelligence is good. You want someone you can talk to, pitch ideas etc I think smarts are being confused with being domineering, talked down to, quarreling. No that you don't want.
 

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Intelligence is good. You want someone you can talk to, pitch ideas etc I think smarts are being confused with being domineering, talked down to, quarreling. No that you don't want.
The problem is that when it comes to narcissists, which are usually women, smartness turns into domineering, and that's the problem. It's almost better to keep women intentionally away from "smart" professions.
 

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I actually disagree on the dental hygienists. They can be as**holes. They try to be commanding cause they consider themselves "doctors" so they have a higher ego investment.
*The only area where I slightly disagree is on dental hygiene. I think that is typically a B.S. degree rather than a trade school diploma. But the principle is still the same.
I will add that I have never dated a dental hygienist. I can't recall one approach of one either but I'm sure I have in the last 17 years since college graduation. I have thought about what it they would be like in relationships them while at dental appointments over the years. I don't hit on women while they are in their workplaces though unless it's a highly unusual situation. I thought dental hygiene was a trade school diploma rather BS. Links below says it is associate degree/trade school diploma....



I dated a few (B.S. level) teachers in the very early 2000s. I found the dates very enjoyable. I enjoyed their nerdy, playful sarcasm. Conversations generally did not drift into hot button social issues then ime.

I fully agree with you about the B.S. degree (from a regular school) max theory*. It is sort of a "sweet spot" where she is sufficiently bright/educated, but less likely to be pretentious. I dated an associates degree nurse in 2008. We got along very well. Right now, my target would be B.S. level.
The bachelor's degree (from a non-elite university) maximum theory is a good sweet spot. As men, most of us are looking for sufficiently bright/educated but not pretentious. It took me years to come to that conclusion, but I arrived at it around the early to mid 2010s after about 12-15 years of participating in the mating environment.

Nurses can be either associate degree or bachelor degree.

K-12 teachers and nurses are women who used to make quality girlfriends in a lot of cases. There's been a quality dropoff in women from these 2 occupations in the past 20 years. While K-12 teachers and nurses are still better bets than female lawyers, hard charging business women, and doctors, they just aren't as alluring in general as they once were. A lot of teachers have become woke Social Justice Warriors. Nurses have become less sweet and feminine and more clout chasing.
 

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The problem is that when it comes to narcissists, which are usually women, smartness turns into domineering, and that's the problem. It's almost better to keep women intentionally away from "smart" professions.
It's honestly probably more of a personality flaw than raw intelligence. Broken, messed up people will act out of line no matter what situation they find themselves in; education and smarts have no bearing (looks worse when they act like fools). The hard to deal with behavior I mentioned previously I have seen in progressive, well educated women i've dated, yes, but I've also encountered it amongst some of the dummies as well. It's much worse when the latter happens because you will be fighting over the most stupid, nonsensical things...and this is compounded by the fact you literally felt like you had to baby these idiots the entire time.
 
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