You can't win this game with women and sex because the rules are heavily stacked against you

[Speculator E]

Why not? I don't use one because they might be possessed and their eyes might open on their own.
How do you define good porn and bad porn?

Good porn are ones that can get me to ejaculate in 30 min or less. Otherwise it's NEXT.
I have my favorite list of porn stars that I cycle through on repeat.
I pretend I am dating all of them and it's fill my need for having multiple partners without the hassle of managing them.

The OP does not sound bitter. He just likes porn.

Yes that is correct. If I want to just get off, compared to dating, porn is better.
That's not to say you shouldn't date. But most gf are not going to let you sex them every day.
Porn was my backup to sex but lately it's looking like it should be the first choice.
And a Girlfriend should be the backup.

I'm Glad you pointed that out.
No I'm not interested in a sex doll.
Why not? I don't use one because they might be possessed and their eyes might open on their own.

I think too much of a hassle to buy and then maintain. Porn is more then enough for me I'm simple.
I think most guys buy them more because they are lonely then for sexual use. I'm not lonely.

 

[zekko]

Date or marry?

Date. I was thinking of this thread in particular, which is on the front page right now:

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...is-trying-to-date-women-over-25.263234/page-2

But a lot of posters on the forum have said that you shouldn't date girls over 25. For various reasons.

 

[Speculator E]

I do realize that. But there is a growing number of people who are telling them it’s ok to give up and check out too.
I’ve never known someone to wave a white flag and turn inwards because they were truly happy.

If they want to be quitters and cry about it they should not come here.
They already have the wrong mindset, winners are not quitters..
Men should be doers and problem solvers.

It's not about quitting. It's more about realizing that you are on a sinking boat and you need to abandon ship before you go down with it.
You might try if it's early on but there is a point where the boat will sink no matter what and you need to just leave.

It's similar to a rule in the stock market called cutting your losses or knowing when you take a loss.
Because if you don't know when you lose when it's still small or you can end up losing everything.
In stocks Bear makes money, Bull makes money, but Pigs get Slaughtered.

 

[BeExcellent]

I think most incels have the game all wrong. In order to get laid, you have to let it go. You can't desperately want it. Women can smell it on you. It's a repellent. You have to focus on the fun. Celebrate your life. Achieve greatness and reward yourself by going out and having fun. Don't put any pressure on yourself to game women. Any act of contrivance is inauthentic and lessens your masculine presence.

For me, any attempt to alter my natural personality just to impress women violates my own sense of self worth. It is a self esteem killer. Supplicate one time and you'll find yourself supplicating to everyone. Even if you get the chick, it becomes deeply ingrained into your psyche that supplication is how you get women. And the entire relationship will feel like you are walking on eggshells where it's only a matter of time until you slip up. You can't keep up the charade forever. Your lack of authenticity will eventually lead her to resenting you.

What women find attractive is genuine self amusement. And genuine self amusement can only come from being genuinely happy with your life. Most incels on this forum act bitter and they want us to believe the problem is women? Lol.

Show me a masculine guy who is perfectly content with being alone and I'll show you a guy who has no problems with women.

A guy who genuinely enjoys himself without women is more likely to get women. This is what looks attractive to women. Guys who don't need them. Guys that are their own self-sustained ecosystem. This is a guy that exudes abundance and value.

As for me, I never try to get laid, but I often get lucky. And my luck with women is in direct correlation with how happy I am with life and how much I am enjoying the present moment without needing anything from anybody or even the universe. My non-neediness is like a signal to women telling them it is safe to hit on me.

There have been times where I am talking a group of women and some thirsty guys would come in and scoop them up, take them away, and buy them drinks. 15 minutes they come right back to me. And we act as if nothing ever happened. Even if there were 3 guys and 3 women, the 3 women would come back to me. Because they know my frame can contain them. When you supplicate/pursue, your frame is automatically lower than the women you are chasing and it repels them.

In fact, most of my pulls looks exactly like that. I put zero effort into the seduction, don't care if people c0ckblock me, and am genuinely appreciative of the present moment. I allow people to come to me instead of approaching people. People look at me and wonder how I am so content just being alone. I am alone but not lonely. A person can be in a group of friends and still be the loneliest person in the room. And my appreciation for life carries over to the women and people I talk to. Basically I give value to people instead of leech value like a lot of incels on this forum.

This is not a tactic and cannot be faked. You have to figure out how you can get yourself to the point of being genuinely happy with life and yourself. Only then will you be coming from a point of attraction rather than a point of repelling people.

I sense a lot of bitterness from guys on this forum. Have you ever wondered maybe your bitterness is the reason why you have a hard time with women?

Instead of admitting that you are an incomplete and needy man, you place the blame on women. Like an alcoholic who refuses to admit he has a problem. At least when you admit you have inner game issues, some people in this forum might be able to give you advice. But as long as you hold on to your entitlement self righteousness, nothing can help you.

It's always the biggest emotional train wrecks, value leechers, and bitter guys that complain about chicks. And they usually attack the guys who have grace and serenity. Like fat chicks hating on skinny chicks. Being bitter is not going to shed those pounds.

Solid inner game is something nobody seems to want to work on. Even the LMS guys cop out. They know deep down inside women are attracted to cool guys who give value and are happy with themselves and life.

Everyone knows this. But the manosphere doesn't acknowledge inner game because it's hard work. So they chalk everything up to LMS, hypergamy, and a sh1t load of other excuses. Because in 2019, who wants to do something hard right?

Advice from the old lady:

The post from @stormrider above says everything you need to know.

Ok so the OP prefers to jack to porn rather than interact with real human females because he’s so jaded that he sees no value in interactions with women. He is isolated trading stocks at home, isolated socially, and is running analysis on relationships as if he’s doing a technical chart evaluation.

Interactions with actual humans aren’t like that, so his frustration is understandable because his expectations are not existant in reality.

Sadly jacking to porn and only considering women who are marriage worthy simply amplifies the schism he is already experiencing. Why?

The most marriage worthy women are the good ones. The ones all men hope to meet. So there is stiff competition from men who are socially adroit & well calibrated and good looking and accomplished. Women select the best option from among contenders. No surprise there. Be the best option. That’s the message of this site. Make yourself into a worthy man & your problems with relationships will solve themselves.

But this requires both self examination and effort.

OP has an attitude and habits that rob him of chances with good women. That has nothing at all to do with women and everything to do with OP.

Relating to another human being is much more than having an orgasm. Great relationships offer many benefits to a man. But of course to have a great relationship you gotta have a skillset to navigate one. Cue the good advice around here from various contributors, now and in times past.

The great men I see around me aren’t having these issues. The men here on SS who experience success with women aren’t having these issues either.

Be careful gentlemen who you listen to. Listen to those who have the success you seek. Do not listen to those who don’t.

Simple.

 

[Speculator E]

Advice from the old lady:
The post from @stormrider above says everything you need to know.
Ok so the OP prefers to jack to porn rather than interact with real human females because he’s so jaded that he sees no value in interactions with women. He is isolated trading stocks at home, isolated socially, and is running analysis on relationships as if he’s doing a technical chart evaluation.
Interactions with actual humans aren’t like that, so his frustration is understandable because his expectations are not existant in reality.
Sadly jacking to porn and only considering women who are marriage worthy simply amplifies the schism he is already experiencing. Why?
The most marriage worthy women are the good ones. The ones all men hope to meet. So there is stiff competition from men who are socially adroit & well calibrated and good looking and accomplished. Women select the best option from among contenders. No surprise there. Be the best option. That’s the message of this site. Make yourself into a worthy man & your problems with relationships will solve themselves.
But this requires both self examination and effort.
OP has an attitude and habits that rob him of chances with good women. That has nothing at all to do with women and everything to do with OP.
Relating to another human being is much more than having an orgasm. Great relationships offer many benefits to a man. But of course to have a great relationship you gotta have a skillset to navigate one. Cue the good advice around here from various contributors, now and in times past.
The great men I see around me aren’t having these issues. The men here on SS who experience success with women aren’t having these issues either.
Be careful gentlemen who you listen to. Listen to those who have the success you seek. Do not listen to those who don’t.
Simple.

Dude. Successful stock trading takes up about 1-2 hours per day of my time. It's not staring at a screen 24 hours everyday. The industry is an environment where the failure rate is something like 99% at worst and at best maybe 80-90%. The fact that I manage to beat those odds demonstrate I know what it take to succeed. And what it takes is not something you likely read on a google search or wikipedia.
Hint. There was a lot of luck involved.

 

[Speculator E]

here we see the incel egomania that prevents you from listening to the part of her advice that was actually relevant to the reason why you post here and instead turtle up over how you make your income which no one really gives a f*** about to be honest with you lol. Admit what an arrogant son of a b**** you really are lol.

Why are you calling that person a "her"?
Plus she brought it up.
You sound triggered.
I'm bored now.

 

[AttackFormation]

here we see the incel egomania that prevents you from listening to the part of her advice that was actually relevant to the reason why you post here and instead turtle up over how you make your income which no one really gives a f*** about to be honest with you lol. Admit what an arrogant son of a b**** you really are lol.

You see the same pattern with other guys who have a selfpitying grand narrative about themselves, their lifes and women. Propound selfpitying grand narrative > get advice > react defensively > get more critical advice > reveal egotism.

I'm bored now.

"Certain personality disorders are associated with a tendency to become easily bored. This tendency is characteristic of people with Narcissistic, Histrionic, or Antisocial Personality Disorders (Cluster B)." - source

 

[AttackFormation]

I actually counsel not one, not two, but three of these in cells that are well into their 30s and believe me they are very much just like this guy. They will ask you for advice almost every day but all they're doing is building a repertoire of judgements from which to turn on you and tear you to pieces to cope with their shame full need to ask questions to begin with.

These guys are actually one of the reasons why I despise tradcuck ideology and romanticism so much: I don't want any woman to be coerced into being with these guys, as they well might have been in the past. If I had a daughter, I would not want her to waste her time on these guys.

 

[logicallefty]

@Speculator E Try not to call people "dumb" like you did on post #10, that will get you into trouble around here.

Other than that, I very much agree with your analogy comparing the stock market and dating. I have posted about this same analogy before. Tapping the dating market is about risk management in pursuit of gains, just like the stock market is. Go after the gains from women you want be it dating, sex, STR, LTR, marriage (eek ) or whatever, without exposing yourself to the risk of loosing your reputation, assets, employment, dignity, and freedom.

 

[user43770]

I actually counsel not one, not two, but three of these in cells that are well into their 30s and believe me they are very much just like this guy. They will ask you for advice almost every day but all they're doing is building a repertoire of judgements from which to turn on you and tear you to pieces to cope with their shame full need to ask questions to begin with.

That's not just incels. We all experience cognitive dissonance to some degree.

Ever tried to give a fat person diet advice?

 

[user43770]

These guys are actually one of the reasons why I despise tradcuck ideology and romanticism so much: I don't want any woman to be coerced into being with these guys, as they well might have been in the past. If I had a daughter, I would not want her to waste her time on these guys.

You would rather she be ran through by 50 guys and end up a single mother on the government teet?

 

[AttackFormation]

You would rather she be ran through by 50 guys and end up a single mother on the government teet?

I just want her to not have to be with guys who I don't respect.

 

[user43770]

I just want her to not have to be with guys who I don't respect.

You better move out of Sweden then. I hear that Muslims really crack the whip!

But seriously, women weren't forced to marry in tradcuck glory days.

 

[AttackFormation]

You better move out of Sweden then. I hear that Muslims really crack the whip!

But seriously, women weren't forced to marry in tradcuck glory days.

They weren't physically forced to, but they were coerced to by the culture. They were discriminated in voting, education, employment and contracts, and children they had outside of marriage were "illegitimate" and marked so in birth books. Saying that women "weren't forced to marry" is like saying people "weren't forced to seek work".

Tradcucks had their era, it's gone and won't come back, and thankfully not at that. What a pathetic ideology.

 

[user43770]

They weren't physically forced to, but they were coerced to by the culture. They were discriminated in voting, education, employment and contracts.

True, but they weren't pumped and dumped by dozens of guys, either. They probably ended up in a nuclear family and became grandmothers.

Now that they're in the work force, their happiness has plummeted lol. Wasn't what it was made out to be, apparently.

And they're still being coerced today, except now it's by leftists. You want to talk about denying science (per the other thread), leftists don't believe that gender exists!

 

[AttackFormation]

True, but they weren't pumped and dumped by dozens of guys, either. They probably ended up in a nuclear family and became grandmothers.

And they're still being coerced today, except now it's by leftists. You want to talk about denying science (per the other thread), leftists don't believe gender exists!

Between having the shyt beaten out of her and dehumanized by a neurotic, misogynist, alcoholic or cluster B who she can't leave either legally or in practice - which is a large reason why divorce rates really were lower back then and still are in places like India - and having sex with many different guys, I would choose the latter for my daughter. Both are possibilities alternative to the "happy ending", but one is worse than the other and one is up to the woman while the other is not. A strong, harmonious man would be happy to have the woman "elect" him as leader because she wants him and looks up to him, rather than beating her legally, economically and physically into compliance. That's what a weak, neurotic man does and feels the need to do. Tradcuckism is a weak, neurotic ideology.

There are different leftisms. I'm a left-libertarian sympathizer for example, something so leftist that you've probably never heard of it before and never will because right-libertarians have captured the term "libertarian"*, but yet I am on this forum saying biological gender and thoughts & behaviors based on that is very real.

“One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, "our side," had captured a crucial word from the enemy... "Libertarians" ... had long been simply a polite word for anti-private property left-wing anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over" - Murray Rothbard in "The Betrayal of the American Right"

 

[user43770]

Between having the shyt beaten out of her and dehumanized by a misogynist, alcoholic or cluster B who she can't leave either legally or in practice - which is a large reason why divorce rates really were lower back then and still are in places like India - and having sex with many different guys, I would choose the latter for my daughter. Both are possibilities alternative to the "happy ending", but one is worse than the other and one is up to the woman while the other is not.

There are different leftisms. I'm a left-libertarian sympathizer for example, something so leftist that you've probably never heard of it before, but yet I am on this forum saying biological gender and thoughts & behaviors based on that is very real.

Now you really do sound like a woman, bro. Most men don't hit their wives.

The man used to have to ask the father for permission, so you would have had your chance to pass judgement.

You admit there are two sexes? Well, at least you aren't a fvcking liar

 

[AttackFormation]

Now you really do sound like a woman, bro.

The man used to have to ask the father for permission, so you would have had your chance to pass judgement.

You admit their are two sexes? Well, at least you aren't a fvcking liar

That assumes the father wasn't a piece of shyt himself, that the man didn't portray a fake front until she was locked down or didn't change later, that evident problems were not delayed in resolution by legal or practical hindrances, and that the man was perceived as abusive at all and punished for it. Neither gender has a moral superiority over the other, indeed morality is not defined by gender. That means just as radical feminism today is wrong about women being morally superior to men, so tradcucks are wrong in romanticizing the perceived past when they imagine the sole reason the waves of feminism began is because women were out to screw over "good men". But this is understandable, because portraying themselves and their adherents as victims is a powerful recruitment mechanism of ideologies.

If the price of trying to be truthful is sounding like a woman, I'm willing to pay it. Especially for you sweetie.

Dispelling lies and calling things out for what they are is my passion.

 

[user43770]

That assumes the father wasn't a piece of shyt himself, that the man didn't portray a fake front until she was locked down, and that if issues became known that they were both resolved and resolved without significant harm.

If the price of trying to be objective is sounding like a woman, I'm willing to pay it. Especially for you sweetie.

Dispelling lies and calling things out for what they are is my passion.

I made an edit, you just responded really quickly, bro. Most men don't hit their wives. You sounded like a woman for making it seem like they do.

You aren't being objective, though. You're saying your thoughts, and I'm saying mine. I like seeing you put people to the fire, but you aren't dispelling lies here.

I will say that I haven't always been so conservative. It came with age.

 

[AttackFormation]

I made an edit, you just responded really quickly, bro. Most men don't hit their wives. You sounded like a woman for making it seem like they do.

You aren't being objective, though. You're saying your thoughts, and I'm saying mine. I like seeing you put people to the fire, but you aren't dispelling lies.

I will say that I haven't always been so conservative. It came with age.

Nah, most men don't hit their wifes, but some men do. In the past, it was more acceptable for those men to do so and the consequences were far milder. It's not really about men vs women but harmonious people of both genders against alcoholics, misandrists and misogynists, cluster Bs and neurotics.

I said I was trying to be objective. No one can ever really be objective because as humans we both are inherently biased emotionally, and present biased information due to our subjective perception of reality (like history).

I haven't dispelled any particular lies here because no one (at least no one I don't already have on ignore) has put forth any in particular. I am commenting on general history and trying to put things into an informed perspective. In fact right here it was your own bias that led you to assume I thought "most men hit their wifes", instead of asking me if that was what I meant.