wtf do muslims gain by bombing Europe?

[Von]

Oh, there's no doubt that such actions have happened in our history. Do you truly intend for them not to remain history?



Which is exactly what concerned citizens should be standing up against to change said laws. No citizen should be punished for mere allegation of domestic violence or the like (q.v. too many states' "You Call We Haul" laws and "mandatory arrest policies" that effectively wipe their rears with the Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights of men who very well may have been accused falsely of DV or rape or the like). Allegations are just that. You've heard of due process of law, standards of evidence, and the like, right? Granted, I can only imagine that you think they're scary when they apply to someone you don't like, and that the slow majesty of the law must apply only to those you relate to, individualized suspicion and evidence of crime be damned, right?

It's all too common a refrain these days. "Due process of law for me and mine, summary-justice upon pre-crime for those Others." It's sickening, no matter its form. Not to mention that the government that's authorized to do such things is essentially the same kind of government that Niemoller's poem warned us about; if they can do summary-justice for pre-crime on the guy on the other end of the neighborhood, they can just as easily do it to me one day.


Defending freedom by treading on the freedom of one's own citizens? Defending a democratic culture by violating the fundamental axioms therein? That would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

Defender of faith and freedom are alway the first one to take it away from others.

Freedom for ressources

In the USA, kids with gun.. White kids have killed more US citizen than the jihadis

Btw... if you consider Irak and Afghanistan as jihadis... you forgot the concept of self-defence (we invaded them)

In Canada the situation is worst... but we can't generalize.

Remember how many jews and muslim died for your freedom

 

[SmooveMooves]

Study of the Quran gives you insight into the violent nature of musilm beliefs and making it more scary as the Quran being meant to be read literally. Islam is incompatible with western culture. No one is saying freedom of religion should be stamped on, but action must be taken.

On Easter ISIS bombed an amusement park. The motive was to "Punish celebrating Christians." It's not just in America or Europe ISLAM as an institute needs to be fought tooth and nail leading to reform or eradication. We cannot keep allowing them to murder people like barbarians because we don't want to infringe on rights. They lost their rights when they decided anybody who doesn't share their ideology should be brutally murdered.

What makes this difficult is that contrary to popular belief, there is no "moderate" Islam. There's no seperate book. No "Old Quran" All musilms read from the same evil doctrines.

 

[Von]

The Bible is just has violent as the Quran....

They both have contradicting chapters.

Its made to be taken pièce by pièce depending on context

The Quran is also the book that said:
Christians-Jews-Muslim are all brothers of faith

That women could divorce and keep her wealth

Quran is younger so more modern in theory.

The preachers are the issue. Why you think we got rid of the Christians?

What do we get from bombing Muslim countries?

Its poor people who die for their "faith" cause faith is all they have

 

[Von]

You have already stated this, and we already pointed out the Muslims are the one's bombing and killing and raping people in the name and word of their god and faith. Christians are not.

And Osama bin Laden was poor???

Osama was a Saudi, last kid of the last wife of a lower tribe of the family. The father company built the World Trader Center that his son blew up..... he had inferior complex (happens to the wealthy too.... but he's calling the shoot.... you didn't see him die in a explosion)

What are Neo-Nazis beating up Christians in Belgium to kick immigrants?

What are planes bombing people ?

What are the Evangelical calling to remove abortion in the name of religion, and breach against homo ? And some saying to take back the ''Holy land'' ?

Is Donald Trump poor ? Is Donald Trump married to immigrant woman? Employing ''foreign workers'' ?

I am for stricter laws and banning religion.... but you can't say.... lets kick out all the Muslims.... when you are invading their space.... beside your surgeon could be muslism.... think about that

 

[yuppee]

I'd not allow my surgeon to be a Muslim. I"d find another surgeon. We don't NEED these people, so WHY risk having them here? Doing so has been a disaster for Europe. It will be the same here, guaranteed. That's what Muslims DO. If they dont believe in the Koran, then they aint Muslims and the Koran says that they should force infidels to submit, or kill them.

 

[yuppee]

we do NOT have to let ANYONE come into our country, boyo. and we damned sure don't have to let 30 million illegals STAY here, nor anchor babies, either. Once we get rid of those, maybe we'll have money enough to sort out the problem muslims. but until then, a hold is for sure needed on immigration from Muslim countries

 

[Von]

1. Osama died for his cause.
2. How is that relevant?
3. Planes bombing people is an example of Christians using their ideology to kill non-Christians???? Explain.
4. These don't exist anywhere close to the % of muslims who want Sharia law or who violently kill non-believers. Find something on a similar scale and then we can talk.
5. How is that relevant?
6. Muslims belief system by and large is NOT compatible with western civilization. We either kick them out or destroy our civilization. There is no in between.

How the belief is not compatible ? They are basically protestant... its the same system of non-central leadership... last time I checked... Americans are protestants.

Also, for having lived with Mid-Easterns, dated for years girls of mid-eastern origins/muslim/jews

They basically live like the Western World of the 1960's except they get bombarded alot.... (and none ever read a religious book or went in a church or mosque)

It's the diaspora that might be a problem cause they were considered too crazy for their own society.... like the puritans who were casted out of England for being ''religious zealots''... they did founded Harvard...

Here's a report on the army of god:

Immigration and 'religion' is not the issue... its INTEGRATION...

 

[Bokanovsky]

The Bible is just has violent as the Quran....

Please cite specific passages from the Bible that encourage Christians to kill or persecute non-believers. Until you do, your comparison is bogus.

 

[Von]

Please cite specific passages from the Bible that encourage Christians to kill or persecute non-believers. Until you do, your comparison is bogus.

Didn't he drown everyone with his Noah Ark? They are 842 violent passages in the Bible... 333 in the Quoran

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged. - Deuteronomy17:12 NLT;

I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God. Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:34-35

Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. Isaiah 14:21 NAB

Rom 6:23: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Also, remember in the Bible god asked to Abraham to kill his own son.....

Read the book, don't follow the preachers.

Everyone has his cup of tea.... what's the difference between a muslim and a christian ? None really other than the structured faith he wants to follow.... and in both they say somewhere to respect each other.....

The Christians extremists have 1) NeoNazis and Evangelicals mostly in the USA
Muslism extremists have 1) ISIS and Alqaieda

Western world has reject christianity in the governement..... Muslim world used to have rejected Islam in their governement until they got bombarded by democracy.

In Egypt a muslim country they passing laws to ban the ''niqab aka Islamic Veil'' the same Veil our Christians grandmother had to carry to Church to prove their virtue.

Unless you make money... why would you hate the other.... Be a Don Juan embrace differencies and be above it

''Samuel 15:1 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people, over Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord.
15:2 This is what the Almighty Lord says:‘I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and utterly destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'” - Which Biblle version you want

 

[Bokanovsky]

Didn't he drown everyone with his Noah Ark? They are 842 violent passages in the Bible... 333 in the Quoran

A quick google search reveals that many if your cited quotes are modified in a way that changes their meaning (such as by adding the word 'infidel' where it does not originally appear).

No one doubts that the Bible has many violent passages. However, the Bible does not call on believers to kill non-believers. The Koran does. The Bible talks about God killing people who get in his way. The Koran tells people to go kill other people in the name of God. And that's a fundamental difference.

 

[Von]

So basically you have sidestepped the fact that islam kills in the name of their god, or supports killing in the nane of their god, while christians don't.

Are you going to address this or not?

Just did:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/god-told-me-to-do-it/

The difference between ''christian or western world'' and the middle east... is 50 years of political divide and war...

All religions have passage asking to kill for their god. Thanks our governement is god free. (yeah like the 1st line of all the constitutions in the world).

Anyway I am out of political debate... I worked far too long in politics... in the end... politics is like religion: ''you blame the others for the stuff you wish to be doing''

 

[YawataNoKami]

When was the last time a Christian stoned someone? Probably centuries ago.

When was the last time a muslim stoned someone? Probably last night.

 

[OlympicTim]

Really don't understand how a person can blame a whole group of people for the actions of a few.

Their are over 1 billion muslims in the world.

If muslims were trying to kill everyone they would have.

 

[penkitten]

The Taliban is horrible and they have committed terrible gruesome acts. However, it is incorrect to blame all Muslims for what one group of terrible people do. How would you like it if people blamed all Christians for the acts Hitler did?

 

[Tictac]

The Taliban is horrible and they have committed terrible gruesome acts. However, it is incorrect to blame all Muslims for what one group of terrible people do. How would you like it if people blamed all Christians for the acts Hitler did?

Was Hitler Christian?

 

[Bible_Belt]

My ex-wife converted to Islam. I'm pretty sure she isn't going to blow anyone up.

 

[SmooveMooves]

The real difference is modern Christianity does not advocate for the persecution and murder of "infidels" or "heretics," it used to, but then the religion was reformed.

Modern Islam has not been reformed and still has its babaric teachings preached in mosques.

These two facts mean that the comparison of Christian killings to Musilm killings are futile, and the real problem, which is being sidestepped (as it so often is) is Islam ideology.

 

[yuppee]

no, if muslims TRIED to do so, even 1% of them trying to do so, they'd all be nuked and otherwise slaughtered. it's what will have to be done to make them stop their bs, and good riddance, too.

 

[yuppee]

wouldn't bother me any. All religionists are irrational fools. Isreal's going to nuke every major Arab city. They will be forced to do so, and it will end a helluva lot of this bs we currently are having to put up with.

 

[penkitten]

Was Hitler Christian?

He was about as Christian as these Taliban terrorists are Muslim. All the hate and killing is not any form of any religion.