Wrong notion that woman want a High Value Men

[Scaramouche]

Hi Bokanovsky,
"So you've only gone after women with lower SMV (i.e. the low hanging fruit)? That's an unfortunate way to spend half a lifetime."....Yes,I can see your point of view,but there is much to be said for a peaceful Life....Being somewhat self contained,I don't really have that many needs from a Woman,just Svex,Dancing and a bit of intelligent company....Much more fun with someone who finds joy in service....During the 30's The Duke of Windsor ascended the throne of an Empire the Sun never set upon,to a third of the Worlds people he was their King and Emperor....He might have had any gorgeous Women he wanted,yet he chose a Dowdy looking Divorcee from another Religion,that precluded him from the throne...Why?...Mrs Simpson had spent her Dissolute Younger years in the Vice Dens Of Shanghai,a City Ian Fleming,the creator of James Bond,called the wickedest on Earth.Here she learned the Shanghai Squeeze and the magic power of some pressure points on the Sphincter,to The Duke who was a three pumps and a squirt type of Fellow,she was God sent...Like him and Amsterdam,my Girls are there to please me!

 

[CornbreadFed]

Nice guys of saying "Oh $hit I'm about to hit the wall, I wasted all my 20s getting fvcked by these losers, now that I'm old as fvck and used up I want a good stable guy"

A lot of girls do choose a good stable guy, but some men aren't there to capitalize on it because they aren't a convenient reach away or the guy isn't stable himself. Now the girls that do continue to chase bad boy types, they just chase after men on their level or higher income wise. Your typical workaholic Boss Babe Millennial woman isn't driving to the hood to bang some Ray Ray.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Actually yes they will. To young girls "higher value" in their mind is simply someone who looks hot and is put together up like the guys they drool over on their instagram/tiktok feeds.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670476209002627072

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1559581161118105600

Interesting. Well I somewhat disagree. Their natural instinct for selection is a lot more sophisticated than that IMO. A guy cosplaying as an "archetype" (per your X link) will get sniffed out in a heartbeat if he lacks congruence. But I agree that a certain look will get a foot in the door because people do respond to types. The rest is up to him.

However she will not throw herself at a guy if she's feeling him out and senses that he's difficult to attain or seduce (unless the gap is enormous). The less attractive she is by comparison, the more likely she'll go for broke. Attractive women have all kinds of social and psychological brakes in place. And women in general have self limiting beliefs about what they deserve. The good news is that men can draw value from within and don't need it assigned to them.

 

[Velasco]

Their natural instinct for selection is a lot more sophisticated than that IMO

Ok but is this your experience talking or what you've read from evolutionary psych book with regards to how females select partners?

A guy cosplaying as an "archetype" (per your X link) will get sniffed out in a heartbeat if he lacks congruence. But I agree that a certain look will get a foot in the door because people do respond to types. The rest is up to him

maybe. But as the link says, it makes it 10x easier when you are her type, making it a lot harder to fvck it up. She'll (and yes the attractive ones) do most of the work.

Attractive women have all kinds of social and psychological brakes in place

Agree. Why they drink to shut that part of their brain up

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Ok but is this your experience talking or what you've read from evolutionary psych book with regards to how females select partners?

Just my experience. I've never read an evo psych book. IME the less attractive the woman, the more aggressive she is. The truly beautiful women I've been with have often come across as insecure and awkward, sometimes even aloof. Doesn't mean there aren't subcomms on their part. But they don't always send out the quote-unquote IOIs everyone says you should look for.

 

[Velasco]

But they don't always send out the quote-unquote IOIs everyone says you should look for.

I dont look for IOIs. Too unreliable in my experience. Luckily if they like you (and yes the very attractive ones that everyone wants. I understand that not everyone has the same expeirence tho), they will approach you.

 

[Bigpapa]

I dont look for IOIs. Too unreliable in my experience. Luckily if they like you (and yes the very attractive ones that everyone wants. I understand that not everyone has the same expeirence tho), they will approach you.

It depends very much on 2 main factors :

1) your fundamentals ( if you do not have good fundamentals, better to wait for the iois )

2) smelling if they would be opened to be approached or not

 

[devilkingx2]

It could be a male gaze vs. female gaze thing.

To a red pill man financial stability and responsibility would be HVM traits

But to a woman the high value trait they'd be looking for is a man who drives her to the downtown shopping district in his fancy car to buy her a Gucci bag.

To a man the most attractive you could be is Thor, God of Thunder. But to many women the most attractive you could be is a skinny pretty boy with tattoos and a social media following.

There's also subjective things: being able to score coke is definitely not an objectively high value trait but to the kind of girl who does drugs (which definitely includes models and hot girls at the club) it's the holy grail

 

[itouchyou]

Not sure if it's relevant but I know a legit Chad (my closest friend) who isn't just a Chad based on looks. He's the full package (charisma/wealth/intelligence/etc).

He banged some of the hottest women back in college but when it came to relationships he would nearly always date down. I would look at pictures of him and some of the women he dated and was bewildered at his choices.

Later on it made sense to me - he probably dates based on what men should be dating based on, which is personality/compatibility. The hotter women probably don't have that on offer, thus he dates down.

 

[OngBak]

Not sure if it's relevant but I know a legit Chad (my closest friend) who isn't just a Chad based on looks. He's the full package (charisma/wealth/intelligence/etc).

He banged some of the hottest women back in college but when it came to relationships he would nearly always date down. I would look at pictures of him and some of the women he dated and was bewildered at his choices.

Later on it made sense to me - he probably dates based on what men should be dating based on, which is personality/compatibility. The hotter women probably don't have that on offer, thus he dates down.

We avoid low value woman and also look for personality no matter whether it is for long term or short term relationships. I personally dont pursue any woman anymore since im already in a good relationship, im satisfied with. Low value woman, are the sort of woman every type of guy can bang. For these type of girls, Chads need to pursue them if he wants them, they wont make a move on you and play the games until you make them feel special, if you reject them they will team up with their female friends and try to break you.

 

[mikedee]

She'll (and yes the attractive ones) do most of the work.

This is not true.

 

[sangheilios]

"Chads" who get laid like rockstars is a rp/bp fantasy. I think the concept of "Chads" is retarded.
My roommate is a "Chad" in terms of looks, he dates below average girls. His gf is a 6.
Very good looking guys usually settle for less.
"Chads" rely in their looks only and have average or below average social skills/communication skills, skills which are super important in dating.

Through my observations, I actually agree with this. A real world example of "Chads" would be guys that are celebrities, pro athletes, musicians, etc. These types of men have hordes of women that would be willing to throw themselves at them. However, this is such a tiny percentage of men that it's not even worth considering.

In the real world this whole Chad nonsense is simply that, nonsense. The closest example I can personally cite is a good looking guy that was very active on dating apps and regularly had all sorts of different short term sexual flings, both through apps and real world interactions. Anyway, a really good chunk of the women that he slept with were honestly not even that attractive, in fact some of them I legitimately would classify as well below average. I think a lot of guys that are obsessed with the red or black pill think that highly sexually active guys are plowing cute or even hot chicks left and right, the reality is that they are going for women well below their actual league. A female 7 is not going to throw her panties at her looks match, but a female 3 maybe do it with a male 7 or 8 lol. You can get sex easily if you are willing to go well below your level.

 

[OngBak]

Through my observations, I actually agree with this. A real world example of "Chads" would be guys that are celebrities, pro athletes, musicians, etc. These types of men have hordes of women that would be willing to throw themselves at them. However, this is such a tiny percentage of men that it's not even worth considering.

In the real world this whole Chad nonsense is simply that, nonsense. The closest example I can personally cite is a good looking guy that was very active on dating apps and regularly had all sorts of different short term sexual flings, both through apps and real world interactions. Anyway, a really good chunk of the women that he slept with were honestly not even that attractive, in fact some of them I legitimately would classify as well below average. I think a lot of guys that are obsessed with the red or black pill think that highly sexually active guys are plowing cute or even hot chicks left and right, the reality is that they are going for women well below their actual league. A female 7 is not going to throw her panties at her looks match, but a female 3 maybe do it with a male 7 or 8 lol. You can get sex easily if you are willing to go well below your level.

Below average woman, fat woman are more confident in pursuing men, no matter how attractive you are. Chads, the complete package usually go for these type of woman because they are making it easy for them, they basically receive them with open arms. I know that, I also know that from many other Guys who are the complete Package with High status.
Majority of the woman will play games and will even test you harder if you are Chad, that’s why they go for the girls who makes it easy for them and these are either unattractive woman or incredibly beautiful woman. Latter one is rare since there isn’t much of incredibly beautiful woman out there and first one unattractive woman are common

 

[SargeMaximus]

Hi Bokanovsky,
"So you've only gone after women with lower SMV (i.e. the low hanging fruit)? That's an unfortunate way to spend half a lifetime."....Yes,I can see your point of view,but there is much to be said for a peaceful Life....Being somewhat self contained,I don't really have that many needs from a Woman,just Svex,Dancing and a bit of intelligent company....Much more fun with someone who finds joy in service....During the 30's The Duke of Windsor ascended the throne of an Empire the Sun never set upon,to a third of the Worlds people he was their King and Emperor....He might have had any gorgeous Women he wanted,yet he chose a Dowdy looking Divorcee from another Religion,that precluded him from the throne...Why?...Mrs Simpson had spent her Dissolute Younger years in the Vice Dens Of Shanghai,a City Ian Fleming,the creator of James Bond,called the wickedest on Earth.Here she learned the Shanghai Squeeze and the magic power of some pressure points on the Sphincter,to The Duke who was a three pumps and a squirt type of Fellow,she was God sent...Like him and Amsterdam,my Girls are there to please me!

This is the way

 

[Velasco]

This is not true.

I would not expect you to think this is true. Considering this is your opinion of the look I'm talking about that young hot girls like in guys. And will approach.

Soccer is gay, players look like ubersexual fags, tattoos haircut etc

After having shown my hot 18 year old gf (who opened and number closed me) to the guys in my chat, I helped revamp the style of one of the guys in the chat who is about to turn 50, and he reported exactly what i said would happen in this thread. Open and make it easy for you.

 

[Bingo-Player]

University isn't real life , its just a bunch of overgrown teenagers on a 3-4 year vacation where they have to go a couple of assignments and go to a few lectures

The social hierarchy during University is also unusual too you will have groups of people and niches that would never and will never interact with each other again outside of that uni bubble

On top of that in the UK you have a lot of mixed uni houses allowing virtually unlimited opportunity for males and females to constantly be mixing

In this sort of environment a persons "type" will stereotypically go out of the window it becomes proximity based if your in the right places at the right times your going to get laid

and you will have girls fvcking all different types of guys just to experiment and because its seen as very acceptable

As women get older they tend to deviate back to their traditional desires in men

I.E tall / dark / handsome

 

[pipeman84]

I helped revamp the style of one of the guys in the chat who is about to turn 50, and he reported exactly what i said would happen in this thread. Open and make it easy for you.

So let me get this straight, a 50yrs old guy got approached by a woman in a club and they had unprotected sex in his car in the early hours of the morning? WTF? Is that supposed to be a win?
Having sex in a small, uncomfortable place, at an ungodly hour, with a woman who is drunk/high ... wow, what an experience. A 50yrs old grown ass man acting like a horny 17yrs old teenager who hasn't seen a pvssy in his life is actually disgusting. C'mon man!