Wow...this REALLY is the mindset of most women, apparently...

[Tenacity]

All relations are transactional.

STOP right there.....stop right there.

I've already made the point that women do "favors" for me AFTER I do something for them, that is, a transactional based relationship. But this is NOT the picture you were painting before. You painted a picture of women coming out of the gate doing all of this shyt for you without you having to do ANYTHING for them upfront. That's the picture you painted.

If you are saying all relations are transactional.....then I'm saying the same thing....there's no debate here.

The goal is to spend time with women who meet more of your needs than you of theirs, and thus a positive transactional result (“net need benefit”).

There's no way for me to truly measure this number one, number two, I'm not allowing women to get involved in my commercial affairs unless it's a chick that I'm married to in some fashion.

With me, I take chicks out on dates and pay most of the time, then sometimes they pay for the date. I take chicks out on their birthday/buy them things for their birthday, then on my birthday they will do things for me. I eat her pvssy....she svcks my dyck. I listen to her problems....she listens to mines. I massage her back, she massages mines. I take her out for dinner, sometimes she invites me over to cook dinner for me.

It's a transactional relationship, in terms of who is giving MORE...it appears as though I'm giving more, but again it's hard to truly measure this because from an emotional/psychological standpoint, I can sometimes be a pain in the a.ss lol.

The problem is YOU.

No the problem is that people like you talk in circles. You respond to me initially speaking AS IF you have women "serving" you for NO REASON other than you are god's gift to the world.

Then now you finally come out with the TRUTH, that these women aren't "serving you" for no reason, they are doing "favors" for you, just like you do "favors" for them.....which is exactly (100%) what the hell I said my personal experiences were.

 

[guru1000]

Then now you finally come out with the TRUTH, that these women aren't "serving you" for no reason, they are doing "favors" for you, just like you do "favors" for them.....which is exactly (100%) what the hell I said my personal experiences were.

If I give you one dollar, and you give me back three dollars within a year--or--if you give me three dollars and I give you back one dollar within a year (and the average interest rate on a personal loan were 8% per annum), who is truly being served in such a scenario?

No semantics; no favors here. One person has a net benefit; the other does not. One is being served, and the other is serving. Capiche?

With me, I take chicks out on dates and pay most of the time, then sometimes they pay for the date. I take chicks out on their birthday/buy them things for their birthday, then on my birthday they will do things for me. I eat her pvssy....she svcks my dyck. I listen to her problems....she listens to mines. I massage her back, she massages mines. I take her out for dinner, sometimes she invites me over to cook dinner for me.

It's a transactional relationship, in terms of who is giving MORE...it appears as though I'm giving more

If you are giving more, then WHO is serving whom? Do you think on a deeper level, this "negative need benefit" could be contributing to your "anger" episodes? In other words, if a woman provided the aforementioned services described in Post 47 to you, would you be AS "angry" with women as a whole?

 

[Tenacity]

If I give you one dollar, and you give me back three dollars within a year--or--if you give me three dollars and I give you back one dollar within a year (and the average interest rate on a personal loan were 8% per annum), who is truly being served in such a scenario?

No semantics; no favors here. One person has a net benefit; the other does not. One is being served, and the other is serving. Capiche?

But as I said prior, it's not that simple to measure. For example, a business provides a service to a customer and the price the customer pays includes a profit margin to the business. Who is being "served more" in this example? The business has to provide excellent customer service to the customer, and the customer has to open their pocketbook to pay the business for said service, including profit.

The truth is, it's hard to measure who is getting the bigger benefit as all transactional relationships are not one-dimensional. Hell, I could decide to just give away my services for free to someone, but might feel "more rewarded" from an "altruistic" standpoint than if they paid my hourly price for the services.

Do you think on a deeper level, this "negative need benefit" could be contributing to your "anger" episodes? In other words, if a woman provided the aforementioned services described in Post 47 to you, would you be AS "angry" with women as a whole?

Well, let me put it like this.............

I really don't like women doing certain things for me. I don't want a woman in my business/commercial/career related affairs even if she could help out in a way. I don't like everybody's cooking, it's why I really don't ask for women to cook for me that much. I don't need a woman paying my bills, I don't need a woman putting my clothes in my washing machine, etc. I'm honestly low maintenance, I really don't REQUIRE much for a woman to do for me anyway.

But a thug/criminal/loser over here in the black community usually needs more from women. So you will see black women bailing him out of jail, paying his insurance in her name, putting his bills in her name, paying his bills, buying him clothes, food, and maybe even giving him a place to stay.

You see I don't need all of that, but what I do ask for is more loyalty....that is....when I do something stupid, wrong, and out of line...give me more of a benefit of the doubt and don't just cut me off. When I go into my little anger episodes, that's when women pull back or some will just flat out cut me off.

But they don't cut off thugs when they go to jail? When that piece of shyt goes to jail she makes excuses for him. When thugs get angry and punch through her walls or even PUNCH her in the face, she doesn't leave him....so why leave Tenacity the MOMENT Tenacity has his little episode (which are 100% verbal and only lasts like 15 - 20 minutes tops)?

What adds to my anger issues are not that I don't receive transactional "favors", it's that CERTAIN piece of shyt men receive WAY more loyalty than I do and I'm expected to be ISSUE free while this piece of shyt gets away with having 1,000X the issues I have.

That's what ticks me off.

 

[guru1000]

What adds to my anger issues are not that I don't receive transactional "favors", it's that CERTAIN piece of shyt men receive WAY more loyalty than I do and I'm expected to be ISSUE free while this piece of shyt gets away with having 1,000X the issues I have.

That's what ticks me off.

So the thug gets a "net need benefit," and you don't. Who, between the two of you, is angry and resentful, and who is rejoiced and at greater peace with women? Does the thug EXPECT a net benefit, and you don't?

What do you need to do to change this dynamic? Think about it.

 

[The Duke]

@Tenacity

You see I don't need all of that, but what I do ask for is more loyalty....that is....when I do something stupid, wrong, and out of line...give me more of a benefit of the doubt and don't just cut me off. When I go into my little anger episodes, that's when women pull back or some will just flat out cut me off.

This is a problem! Just like Guru told you when he said it's you! Lack of self control(anger) shows lack of discipline. Girls like the ones we are talking about aren't going to put up with this. Its going to scare them. You acting this way does not make them feel safe and secure and nobody wants to do nice things for somebody that acts crazy.
You are asking for too much(your expectations are too high) for what you bring to the table. You want someone that is more understanding of your anger and gives you a free pass from time to time...... then find your equivalent that can't control their emotions either. You can't blame these girls for not wanting to tolerate your crap.

This really cracks me up.....Look at ole South Florida dude....he's kicked back with a cigar chilled out, looking about half stoned. He doesn't even have a job, no money, not much to offer. Yet he plays it pretty cool. Nothing rattles him on this forum. He has said even he can get girls that are givers! In fact he has one he is seeing now that lets him lay around at her place all week while she foots the bill for it all! Props to him!

On the other side of the coin we have Tenacity all torqued off because he can't even get 50/50 girls to hang around and he doesn't believe in these magic servants we are trying to tell him do exist!

Yet SoFloBro is just rolling with it, taking it as it comes, sippin on gin and juice! ;-)

Why is that Tenacity? whats he got that you don't? .....He tried to tell you earlier.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Oh my Lord, this thread has put me into a cubicle coma!! lol
I'm officially overwhelmed but carry on, and I'll try to follow as best I can.

 

[Tenacity]

@Tenacity

You see I don't need all of that, but what I do ask for is more loyalty....that is....when I do something stupid, wrong, and out of line...give me more of a benefit of the doubt and don't just cut me off. When I go into my little anger episodes, that's when women pull back or some will just flat out cut me off.

This is a problem! Just like Guru told you when he said it's you! Lack of self control(anger) shows lack of discipline. Girls like the ones we are talking about aren't going to put up with this. Its going to scare them. You acting this way does not make them feel safe and secure and nobody wants to do nice things for somebody that acts crazy.

Okay, but let me ask you a question....first let me quote more of your reply:

.....Look at ole South Florida dude....he's kicked back with a cigar chilled out, looking about half stoned. He doesn't even have a job, no money, not much to offer. Yet he plays it pretty cool. Nothing rattles him on this forum. He has said even he can get girls that are givers! In fact he has one he is seeing now that lets him lay around at her place all week while she foots the bill for it all! Props to him!

Okay so let's take a look at this.

- Girls like the ones you are discussing (which I already know the type of girls you are talking about) don't like men who look like they have a lack of self control because it shows lack of discipline. And they are not going to quote, unquote "put up with it".

- Furthermore, these girls are afraid of little nerdy a.ss Tenacity because his text message rants are full of curse words and "oh my"...they are so in fear of their life.

I got it.

Then on the other hand, you highlight SoFloBro, which I have no issue with BTW but I have to use this to highlight the POINT I'm trying to make. You mention how SoFloBro has no job, no money, and nothing to offer....if the girls we are discussing don't like men who have a lack of discipline, how is it that they can like men like SoFloBro who have no job and no money, who you say lays arounds their place all week and they PROVIDE/GIVE things to him?

Isn't that the same exact picture of the thug/loser I just described, who gets EVERYTHING for nothing, while I'm expected to be 100% perfect to receive ANYTHING?

Furthermore, while we are on the same thugs.....I'm wrong when I have my little episodes, I'm completely wrong. But they are usually (80% of the time) via text message and within 30 minutes, I've already apologized for "going too far".

But the THUG goes off on the same, exact, girl....IN PERSON. He verbally abuses her, physically touches her, and even takes her money/car at times without her permission. And guess what? NONE of that scares her, she stays with him for a 3 - 10 year relationship and even has 2 or 3 of his kids.

So you explain to me how I'm the problem here? Yes, I know I'm wrong when I go off, but the thug is doing 1,000X WORSE than me and she's not leaving him! Matter of fact, not only does she not leave him, but it's like the more he BEATS HER A.SS the more she likes him!

 

[guru1000]

Tenacity, you entirely avoided my question. And I understand the answer is not clear, as I want you to produce the answer after thoughtful self-reflection. Let me rephrase:

You have more outer game than the thug, but the thug has more pull with your girls. What EXACTLY does the thug possess that you don't?

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity, you entirely avoided my question. And I understand the answer is not clear, as I want you to produce the answer after thoughtful self-reflection. Let me rephrase:

You have more outer game than the thug, but the thug has more pull with your girls. What EXACTLY does the thug possess that you don't?

I actually forgot to respond to that question lol. Now, what do I believe is the explanation for all of this? It's simply feminism and the change of NATIONAL cultural dynamics where women as a collective are looking to move AWAY from traditional patriarchs to the new age feminism/"light" matriarchy that we are experiencing.

Let me explain.

Tenacity represents traditional patriarchy for "the most part", with a throwback to a time where black men were patriarchs with a focus on building, leading, and restoring communities.

This is what women of today's market are trying to destroy.

They want to favor men who are not building, leading, and restoring communities because it allows women to get into those positions to build, lead and create communities how THEY see fit. Even my 50/50 - 70/30 agreement would still put her in a position where Tenacity is still the leader for the most part....after all....I am the one that designed the agreement.

Guys like SoFlobro (and again, I don't have an issue with him so I'm not picking on him) are this new market of women's DREAM GUY. He doesn't work, has no money, he takes pics with blunts, and he "doesn't care about anything in life" to quote Howie....he's just laid back and "chill".

The other DREAM GUY is the Simp, the Simp is basically what Tenacity is supposed to be, you know...the guy with the degree, nice looks, responsible, financially stable, but who also "chills back" and let's women "do their thing" without challenging them on anything.

The Thug is the guy they fvck, the Simp (who Tenacity is supposed to be) is the guy they marry.

The Thug and the Simp are the type of guys that will allow the women to lead, build, and create the WORLD how they see fit and not CHALLENGE them on anything. Whereas Tenacity challenges women on EVERYTHING, isn't "on chill", is on the frontlines speaking his mind in order to maintain traditional patriarchy. The women would PREFER for Tenacity to STFU and go to the back and "chill out" like the thug and simps are doing.

Now, every single woman isn't like this, but because I mainly date black women, pretty much 99% of them will be like this because the black community has been taken over by the Left. It's why many of these same black women tell me to lose their number if they discover I've voted Republican. This isn't an issue with my "game", or attraction, or fvcking skills, or protection skills.......this is a fundamental change of society/culture that's going on and I'm SEEN AS the ENEMY due to my traditionalism.

 

[marmel75]

I can say that Black and Latina women are typically more aggressive than white women...and I'd be willing to bet it's directly related to them having, on average, higher Testosterone levels

 

[guru1000]

This isn't an issue with my "game", or attraction, or fvcking skills, or protection skills.......this is a fundamental change of society/culture

Oh I see, so this is a 100% community problem, and a 0% problem with Tenacity. Fine. Let's go with this for a moment.

1. What does Tenacity WANT to achieve with his women?

2. What does Tenacity have to do to get there?

3. Is Tenacity willing to do whatever is needed to get there--or--does Tenacity believe he is being true to himself by being angry and off-centered and thus will remain where he is??

 

[Tenacity]

Oh I see, so this is a 100% community problem, and a 0% problem with Tenacity. Fine. Let's go with this for a moment.

Listen, I'm not saying I'm 100% perfect, what I'm trying to say is that the shyt I'm going through isn't my fault and the shyt is a very complex issue. You guys are trying to simplify it to "lack of game" or something, that's not the case here.

I will probably be dead and gone by the time society looks back on this time period we are living in and discovers the shyt I'm talking about. Most people aren't going to believe shyt I'm saying right now, but I know (with 85% accuracy) that I'm correct.

1. What does Tenacity WANT to achieve with his women?

My vision has been to create 1 - 2 kids by a woman that I can work with in a structured romantic agreement. That is, we share views on finances, budgets, investing, she's freaky like me, she's down to Earth like me, and we work together as a tag team to kick life's a.ss together. I want a 50/50, 60/40, or 70/30 relationship where I control 50% to 70%, and she controls 30% to 50%, why? Because I believe in the positive side of Feminism and believe women have God given talents that they should be FREE to pursue, not locked up in a house somewhere doing dishes all day. BUT at the same time, I believe in the traditional view that men should LEAD, but I believe a man can only lead if he's in the financial position to do so instead of "leading" from behind.

Basically, I find that woman and then from finding her, I create 1 - 2 kids with her to pass on wealth and create a legacy. I STILL do not like the marriage laws, but if I were to ever do any marriage shyt, it would be with this woman.

If I can't find this woman, then all I'm left with are spinning plates over and over and over. And quite honestly, I've been spinning plates since 2010 and the shyt is getting old. My soul can't take spinning plates anymore......

2. What does Tenacity have to do to get there?

I don't know Guru, I'm stuck. I'm primarily physically attracted to black women. I'm just not attracted to other races of women "like that". But the black community is FVCKED right now and has been taken over by far left, liberal/socialist shyt. I'm in love with black women, but black women as a collective are trying to DESTROY the type of man that I am because, they see my "type" as the Enemy.

3. Is Tenacity willing to do whatever is needed to get there--or--does Tenacity believe he is being true to himself by being angry and off-centered and thus will remain where he is??

I will do whatever is needed to get there OTHER THAN selling my soul and just become either a THUG or a SIMP.

I would rather DIE and go to the grave with my soul in hand, then to sell it. Why? Because I KNOW, deep down in my heart.....that I'm not wrong and my stances are full of integrity. I will NOT sell out.

 

[guru1000]

I'm primarily physically attracted to black women. I'm just not attracted to other races of women "like that". But the black community is FVCKED right now and has been taken over by far left, liberal/socialist shyt. I'm in love with black women, but black women as a collective are trying to DESTROY the type of man that I am because, they see my "type" as the Enemy.

I have no experience with black women, but I have a strong hunch that black women, although rougher around the edges, are just like any other race when it comes to deference to their men. Again, I call to @EyeBRollin @PrettyBoyAJ @cola : and ask do black women defer to you men--or--do black women simply not defer to men because of the color of their skin?

I will do whatever is needed to get there OTHER THAN selling my soul and just become either a THUG or a SIMP.
I would rather DIE and go to the grave with my soul in hand, then to sell it. Why? Because I KNOW, deep down in my heart.....that I'm not wrong and my stances are full of integrity. I will NOT sell out.

I'm not suggesting that you become a thug or a simp. But there are qualities that a thug possesses that allows him to "own" women, that you don't possess. Just incorporate those intrinsic qualities. Do you honestly believe if I wrote a check to Soflobro for 1/4 million, and he opened a business, that he would be less successful with women than he is now? That would be foolish logic.

Think deeper. What qualities does Soflobro (not to say that he is a thug or simp, but maybe he is the white equivalent of the "bad boy") have that you don't. I don't know much about him, but from his one pic with the cigar in his mouth, his look, and his posts, he appears (1) shameless; (2) carefree; (3) easy-going; (4) as if he gives zero fvcks; (5) as a cool cat; and (6) as a fun guy to hang out with. Do you agree with this assessment based on the limited facts at hand? If so, what, here, could you incorporate?

 

[The Duke]

Tenacity- what about some black girls that have non-ghetto roots? I work with a few. Maybe some girl whose family came here from Haiti/France/Puerto Rico or wherever black people come from other than the damn ghetto! When you can't get what you want, you need to pull up anchor/change bait and go fish some other spot. It does no good to keep beating your head against the wall.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, I'm certain there are some cultural differences with in your world that I just dont understand. What you are wanting isn't common in black culture. Everytime I see a group of black people, I never see the daddy's. Just a bunch of women with with the kids running around.

 

[Tenacity]

Think deeper. What qualities does Soflobro (not to say that he is a thug or simp, but maybe he is the white equivalent of the "bad boy") have that you don't.

A lot of bad ones that I don't want to incorporate lol, and incorporating them would be selling my soul to become just like he is (or the image he projects from his picture) which is a thug.

I don't know much about him, but from his one pic with the cigar in his mouth, his look, and his posts, he appears (1) shameless; (2) carefree; (3) easy-going; (4) as if he gives zero fvcks; (5) as a cool cat; and (6) as a fun guy to hang out with. Do you agree with this assessment based on the limited facts at hand? If so, what, here, could you incorporate?

I agree with the shameless, care free, and looks like he gives zero fvcks assessment. I don't want to be shameless, care free and to give zero fvcks...why?

Because I want something out of life. If what Howie said about SoFloBro is true, that's he's nearly 30, broke, with no money, and who lives off women...Guru why the hell would I want to incorporate ANY of that bullshyt just to impress stupid a.ss women who get off on a guy being 30 and broke?

Do you honestly believe if I wrote a check to Soflobro for 1/4 million, and he opened a business, that he would be less successful with women than he is now?

Oh yes! Why? Because he would no longer be shameless, carefree, and easy-going. He would have actual life goals now. He would be INTENSE about accomplishing some sort of purpose in life...he would be aggressive and ambitious....like TENACITY is...and he would PISS people off as a result of that!

People don't want to see men who are intense, ambitious, and going after something in life. If SoFloBro told his girl that he wants to open a business, get a master's, stopped smoking, started wearing suits, and started reading the Wallstreet Journal every day...she would KICK HIM the fvck out of her house.

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity- what about some black girls that have non-ghetto roots? I work with a few. Maybe some girl whose family came here from Haiti/France/Puerto Rico or wherever black people come from other than the damn ghetto! When you can't get what you want, you need to pull up anchor/change bait and go fish some other spot. It does no good to keep beating your head against the wall.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, I'm certain there are some cultural differences with in your world that I just dont understand. What you are wanting isn't common in black culture. Everytime I see a group of black people, I never see the daddy's. Just a bunch of women with with the kids running around.

As I told you guys prior, I grew up in Flint which is the murder capital of the nation lol. I've been gone for 10 years from Flint and living in the "mostly white" suburbs...but let me tell you something.

When I was 19 - 21, I was getting in trouble with a DUI and everything. My family and my mother had NO issue with me then. You know when I started making my family, mother, etc. uncomfortable? When I got off my a.ss, decided I wanted something in life and went after it.

 

[guru1000]

I agree with the shameless, care free, and looks like he gives zero fvcks assessment. I don't want to be shameless, care free and to give zero fvcks...why?

Because I want something out of life. If what Howie said about SoFloBro is true, that's he's nearly 30, broke, with no money, and who lives off women...Guru why the hell would I want to incorporate ANY of that bullshyt just to impress stupid a.ss women who get off on a guy being 30 and broke?

Oh yes! Why? Because he would no longer be shameless, carefree, and easy-going. He would have actual life goals now. He would be INTENSE about accomplishing some sort of purpose in life...he would be aggressive and ambitious....like TENACITY is...and he would PISS people off as a result of that!

^^^ THIS IS A LOGICAL FLAW AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO YOUR SOCIAL PROBLEM.

You can be aggressive and ambitious business-wise, but shameless, carefree, and easy-going socially. A chameleon of sorts, adapting to the situation as needed.

I am extremely aggressive, intelligent, careful, prudent, and organized in my business life. But, socially, I am about as shameless, carefree, and zero-fvcks as it gets. Hence, why you see two sides of me on this forum.

 

[Huffman]

And I don't care what "mindset" you have, as a guy you ARE NOT the prize.

Tell that to the girls who have been very much infatuated with me, seeing them fidget nervously when we're on a date, driving for an hour to bring homecooked stuff to my place, only so we would have sex afterwards. Whereas I had nought to do but reward their good behaviour.

Maybe you just don't shoot for the kind of girl I do.

 

[Tenacity]

^^^ THIS IS A LOGICAL FLAW AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO YOUR SOCIAL PROBLEM.

You can be aggressive and ambitious business-wise, but shameless, carefree, and easy-going socially. A chameleon of sorts, adapting to the situation as needed.

I am extremely aggressive, intelligent, careful, prudent, and organized in my business life. But, socially, I am about as shameless, carefree, and zero-fvcks as it gets. Hence, why you see two sides of me on this forum.

Man that's not my personality lol. People and women describe me as having "little boy charm", plus with being full of "energy" and usually the life of the party/attention wh0re. That's my natural personality man because I'm a performer in a lot of ways. I'm not the type to be "in the back" chilling out, quiet, etc. I'm also not smooth...I'm the type that approaches chicks with nearly a "cave man" approach lol.

But you know what, that doesn't stop me from getting dates and fvcks. I have NO issue bringing women IN, the issue comes during the relationship stage when we are trying to "settle in" on the relationship dynamics. She usually wants me to play more of the Simp role and I'm not going to do that shyt..

Tell that to the girls who have been very much infatuated with me, seeing them fidget nervously when we're on a date, driving for an hour to bring homecooked stuff to my place, only so we would have sex afterwards. Whereas I had nought to do but reward their good behaviour.

Maybe you just don't shoot for the kind of girl I do.

Are you in the US?

 

[EyeBRollin]

I have no experience with black women, but I have a strong hunch that black women, although rougher around the edges, are just like any other race when it comes to deference to their men. Again, I call to @EyeBRollin @PrettyBoyAJ @cola : and ask do black women defer to you men--or--do black women simply not defer to men because of the color of their skin?

I was actually about to post about a few of my recent experiences that were head scratchers.

Black women generally have lower self-esteem than women of other races. The full-on alpha routine doesn't quite work. All women respond to this stimuli, but black women are more likely than anyone else to fight it. I've done well to hone my game in the past year to where my behaviors are consistent and strong. However, I've had numerous encounters with beautiful, intelligent black women that were scared off, angry, or flat out didn't think I was interested because I too aloof. I think the ratio needs to be somewhere like 70/30 or 80/20 to maximize success with black women.

And the Pookie and Ray Ray types that tenacity refers to typically display more beta than alpha behavior. Black men, for the hypermasculity displayed in our community, are incredibly beta in their relationships.