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I recently did a poll whether anybody here had, or would be willing to spend money on courses or resources to improve how they are with women.

I've made long posts before, but I'm thinking of writing something up as exhaustive as I can in the hopes that it might be useful to some people on here.

If I were to do that, would you take the time to read something so lengthy?
 

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I recently did a poll whether anybody here had, or would be willing to spend money on courses or resources to improve how they are with women.

I've made long posts before, but I'm thinking of writing something up as exhaustive as I can in the hopes that it might be useful to some people on here.

If I were to do that, would you take the time to read something so lengthy?
No, but only because I think this stuff requires you to figure it out for yourself, you have to take into account your own experiences and mindset. It's not useful as an ideology, a prescription, or even as a praxeology really...only useful as a light philosophy. It has both fundamental, basic ideas, and deep, nuanced concepts that you need to internalize and tailor to your own unique circumstances, there's no one-size-fits all approach.

I would develop it with a different audience in mind than us here, namely for blue pilled simps who have no idea how to deal with women, you could make money off of it potentially if you found the right niche. I don't think "pickup" is relevant anymore but maybe at least the inner game aspects are such as the psychological factors that surround it, and it might be helpful to convince people why it's not in fact "harassment" (again, the simp/redditor types). Beyond pickup, there is a serious lack of useful information on deep level stuff such as womens nature (lack of accountability, solipsism, feminism, etc), and LTR advice on things like setting boundaries, holding frame, gaining loyalty/respect, detecting gaslighting/poison dripping, vetting, etc. You could make an entire dissertation about respect/boundaries alone and how they it relates to loyalty, infidelity, GNOs with single hoe friends, or how women in LTRs will act single, available and receptive, putting themselves in situations to be hit on by men to have affairs or monkey branch - a topic I rarely see discussed with any nuance.
 
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Probably not. Most guys have all the material they need to improve with women if not 50x the material they need.

There is precious little that you can write that hasnt already been talked about and read ad nauseum. All you would be doing is regurgitating the same ingredients and putting it in a shiny new package.

What they lack is the willingness to implement it because they are terrified of "failing" and "rejection" not realizing those are necessary steps to get where they want to go.

Most guys would do better to stop reading and start doing.
 

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No, but only because I think this stuff requires you to figure it out for yourself, you have to take into account your own experiences and mindset. It's not useful as an ideology, a prescription, or even as a praxeology really...only useful as a light philosophy. It has both fundamental, basic ideas, and deep, nuanced concepts that you need to internalize and tailor to your own unique circumstances, there's no one-size-fits all approach.

I would develop it with a different audience in mind than us here, namely for blue pilled simps who have no idea how to deal with women, you could make money off of it potentially if you found the right niche. I don't think "pickup" is relevant anymore but maybe at least the inner game aspects are such as the psychological factors that surround it, and it might be helpful to convince people why it's not in fact "harassment" (again, the simp/redditor types). Beyond pickup, there is a serious lack of useful information on deep level stuff such as womens nature (lack of accountability, solipsism, feminism, etc), and LTR advice on things like setting boundaries, holding frame, gaining loyalty/respect, detecting gaslighting/poison dripping, vetting, etc. You could make an entire dissertation about respect/boundaries alone and how they it relates to loyalty, infidelity, GNOs with single hoe friends, or how women in LTRs will act single, available and receptive, putting themselves in situations to be hit on by men to have affairs or monkey branch - a topic I rarely see discussed with any nuance.
I second this. That would be a book that I would read. If you were to write such a book I would recommend choosing an age range, or separating each age range. Also accepting that things change overtime, you might want to give hint the audience towards timeless tools that would help them navigate the dating life. Problem is those tools are much more deep than dating life, so you essentially would have to become an expert anthropologist to be able to capture the relevant nuances. It will probably take 3 to 5 years in my opinion.

how about a crowdsourced book? I don’t know how to do it, but the collective knowledge of sosuave members should be able to write such a book in as little as perhaps a year. The question though, is, to convince them why should they care, given the difficulty of the task specially in time commitment.
 

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Why even do a feeler post for interest? If this is something you'll enjoy spending time on, then it's time well spent. The outcome of how it is received should be irrelevant. You've created something for the world and put it out there. That is enough in itself. If the content is good, it will speak for itself and receive attention.
 
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Why even do a feeler post for interest? If this is something you'll enjoy spending time on, then it's time well spent. The outcome of how it is received should be irrelevant. You've created something for the world and put it out there. That is enough in itself. If the content is good, it will speak for itself and receive attention.
Not really, you need a target audience. You can't really get away without writing for an audience unless the work is of such substantial quality and substance that the target audience becomes irrelevant, for instance Meditations, which was in fact a journal not even written for an audience, but so profound and practical that people were interested. Nothing in the pickup/women advice realm or even self-help world is going to be groundbreaking in the same realm as major philosophical works, especially now since it's so saturated. Self-help/self-development in general is disgusting satured. Jocko Willink wrote a book and people actually buy it, as if that guy has an entire books worth of ideas worth hearing about - it's not his content, but his identity that sells it.
 

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I recently did a poll whether anybody here had, or would be willing to spend money on courses or resources to improve how they are with women.

I've made long posts before, but I'm thinking of writing something up as exhaustive as I can in the hopes that it might be useful to some people on here.

If I were to do that, would you take the time to read something so lengthy?
Yes
 

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Why even do a feeler post for interest? If this is something you'll enjoy spending time on, then it's time well spent. The outcome of how it is received should be irrelevant. You've created something for the world and put it out there. That is enough in itself. If the content is good, it will speak for itself and receive attention.
I agree with this, but I have an idea of how in-depth I would go. Time is something I'll never get back, and I want to "check the temperature" of this forum to see how many people are looking to improve compared to those who will look at the length, close out, and post "what do I say to this girl" for the 384396th time.
 

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I would develop it with a different audience in mind than us here, namely for blue pilled simps who have no idea how to deal with women, you could make money off of it potentially if you found the right niche.
I think the idea could be successful if @BPH could differentiate. If he could make the case for differentiation, he could make money off of his content. It's difficult to differentiate though because there are a lot of books, articles, and social media/internet content out there about seduction and improving romantic interactions.
 

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I think the idea could be successful if @BPH could differentiate. If he could make the case for differentiation, he could make money off of his content. It's difficult to differentiate though because there are a lot of books, articles, and social media/internet content out there about seduction and improving romantic interactions.
If you can write it from a place of considerable contemplation and nuance, and turn it into a groundbreaking philosophical/psychological text that the next generation will reference, you could easily make a fortune because that would certainly set itself apart, and people certainly crave that. An example approaching this might be "men are from mars, women are from venus". But most people aren't capable of that, most people are terrible writers and thinkers. Sadly, there is a strong inverse correlation between intelligence and success with women. The most successful guys are typically average IQ and they are not gifted writers or thinkers. Most of these guys are surface-level thinkers who have egos that rely on their own experiences to make broad claims without taking into account the vast differences in individual circumstances let alone scientific/psychological knowledge from the likes of someone like Jung or Darwin. It's the same reason why most successful people are utterly worthless at giving advice on how they were successful - because they lack the critical thinking and humility to truly understand all the moving parts that led to their success. They say "if I can do it, anyone can" which is a completely absurd idea, many biases are at play here, but I'm getting off topic.

In the context of relationships it would be useful to go over deep level knowledge that isn't just based on actionable steps but a deeply thought out and well-written dissertation about female psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology, cultural criticism, human nature, consciousness, etc. This stuff runs deep, but 99% of the content out there is surface level bro speak self-help nonsense. On some level, to do this righteously is to admit that some men will never find success. About 30% of men who have ever existed did not procreate - that's sexual selection in a nutshell, you cannot ignore mother nature and millions of years of hominid evolution. Gaslighting 5'4 Indian cashiers that they can land a 10 if they just work hard enough is insidious and cruel. We just need someone to tell it like it is, the good the bad and the ugly.

So, I say all this to say, you're better off just finding a niche, being a snake, and selling a dream to a target audience, gotta pay the bills somehow, I see nothing wrong with it. I am not familiar with BPH writing but looks like field reports. Would it be useful to some people here? Surely. But why bother? If we're talking a few dozen pages, then sure, go for it. But there are 2 decades of message board and Youtube videos on this, it's saturated enough as it is.
 
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Probably not, but sooner than later we are gonna be in desperate need for an updated and comprehensive manosphere blue pilled knowledge adjusted to modern 2020's trends which are destroying the dating scene and general man-woman interactions. (or most eye to eye social interactions for that matter) due to rising AI, potential lockdowns in the future, trans-feminist movements, desocializing, depression plague in the western world, etc.
So pretty soon something might come in handy. But it's gotta be free of price for all.
 

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If you can write it from a place of considerable contemplation and nuance, and turn it into a groundbreaking philosophical/psychological text that the next generation will reference, you could easily make a fortune because that would certainly set itself apart, and people certainly crave that. An example approaching this might be "men are from mars, women are from venus". But most people aren't capable of that, most people are terrible writers and thinkers. Sadly, there is a strong inverse correlation between intelligence and success with women. The most successful guys are typically average IQ and they are not gifted writers or thinkers. Most of these guys are surface-level thinkers who have egos that rely on their own experiences to make broad claims without taking into account the vast differences in individual circumstances let alone scientific/psychological knowledge from the likes of someone like Jung or Darwin. It's the same reason why most successful people are utterly worthless at giving advice on how they were successful - because they lack the critical thinking and humility to truly understand all the moving parts that led to their success. They say "if I can do it, anyone can" which is a completely absurd idea, many biases are at play here, but I'm getting off topic.

In the context of relationships it would be useful to go over deep level knowledge that isn't just based on actionable steps but a deeply thought out and well-written dissertation about female psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology, cultural criticism, human nature, consciousness, etc. This stuff runs deep, but 99% of the content out there is surface level bro speak self-help nonsense. On some level, to do this righteously is to admit that some men will never find success. About 30% of men who have ever existed did not procreate - that's sexual selection in a nutshell, you cannot ignore mother nature and millions of years of hominid evolution. Gaslighting 5'4 Indian cashiers that they can land a 10 if they just work hard enough is insidious and cruel. We just need someone to tell it like it is, the good the bad and the ugly.

So, I say all this to say, you're better off just finding a niche, being a snake, and selling a dream to a target audience, gotta pay the bills somehow, I see nothing wrong with it. I am not familiar with BPH writing but looks like field reports. Would it be useful to some people here? Surely. But why bother? If we're talking a few dozen pages, then sure, go for it. But there are 2 decades of message board and Youtube videos on this, it's saturated enough as it is.
I somewhat disagree.

I don't think a deep understanding is necessary to be successful - you just have to know enough, and act. Trying to boil this down to a science is probably what took me so long to become good at getting women...it was analysis paralysis where I kept trying to LEARN instead of DO.

A lot of old pickup stuff has corny guys with fake personas, hired actresses and models, canned lines and step-by-step processes, etc and I considered writing this up because I believe what I did is replicable - and necessary. So many people today are soft, and I'm not even that old - offended by everything, asking women for their Snapchats or Instagrams instead of their number, thinking money will get them girls when they have a laundry list of other problems, and much more.

There are certain factors you can't control that DO objectively come into play; your height, your face, whether you have hair, your ethnicity, your geographic location. I think I was blessed in some aspects, but a lot of these are things I made conscious efforts to improve, and I think others can do the same. I'm not guaranteeing the same level of success as me by reading what I say - I'm not guaranteeing ANY success. But if you suck a** at getting girls and getting laid, I think I have knowledge to impart.

Whether anybody acts on what they read is another story, but I what I'm considering could be useful for the same reason you think it won't be:

It won't be nuanced. It won't be analytical. It won't be step-by-step. But it WILL be something actionable.
 

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honestly, probably not.

Most people in the community have full up hard drives of PUA content and courses and books etc! (full of contradictions and dissagreements from these 'pros'/charlatans :))

The issue is that the stuff in them books doesn't work. Someone mentioned people not implementing it and then complaining, but that's not how I see it. On the old rsd forums and the asf pua forums, there were always endless threads like 'i approached this super hot girl. I tried using the pushpull lines and the xyz tips that are recommended but she still wasn't interested!' blablabla.

most of the old material was built on some fantasy where you can learn 'game' and then get whoever you want. the whole 'looks and age etc don't matter. only your game!' stuff. (increases your potential paying audience! :))

now, in recent years, it seems that nearly everyone finally accepts that it was all BS. That 'game' is basically there to help you not screw up with the girls who think you are hot. And that it's 'power' is basically non existent in other circumstances. it's just basic social skills and a bit of flirting. super easy for any 'normal' person. We have so much infield proof of this from the supposed best. The coaches etc. Look closely and you'll see that they only bang the 'yes girls'. The girls who clearly aren't interested on their approach go on their 'rejection compilations' of their paid products.

You can't negotiate attraction. Not with all the 'outer game' in the world.

So that leaves us with what you mainly see on this site now. At least it's not full of deluded PUA thinking they can NLP their way into any girls pants.

For a long time now, this site has basically been about 'get ripped. Get rich. hit on girls.'. And it's basically correct. Nuance and 'pushpulls' and NLP verbals and gambits and special high rate openers blabala isn't talked about, and again, that's the for the best. That would be going backwards lol

So then with that in mind, everything you need to know can be written on the back of a cigarette pack, and so another new shiny course or book probably isn't of interest to most people at this point at a guess. It's all very simple and everyone knows what to do
 

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if you suck a** at getting girls and getting laid, I think I have knowledge to impart.
You do have a 90+ notch count. That is knowledge to impart.

your geographic location.
Wilmington, DE is a mediocre location. It sits in the shadow of nearby Philadelphia. It is far enough away from Philadelphia that Philadelphia women aren't wanting to date Wilmington men on an extended basis when there are more than enough choices in Philadelphia.

There are worse locations than Wilmington. Wilmington is in a county with a population of over 500,000. That's a decent quantity of population.

Your success in Delaware is impressive given the limitations of the area.

it WILL be something actionable.
That's good.

asking women for their Snapchats or Instagrams instead of their number
I don't think this is a good thing.

thinking money will get them girls when they have a laundry list of other problems
Money can help with getting women in conventional dating. Money alone isn't the solution. Even many affluent men don't have enough money to overcome shortfalls. It takes a lot of money to overcome a laundry list of other problems.

'get ripped. Get rich. hit on girls.'. And it's basically correct.
It is basically correct. 'Get ripped' is #1. Personality traits can help, but looks are #1, especially when younger.
 

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I wouldn't, I've read plenty and done plenty and have internalized so much that I just don't read much on the topic anymore.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't write it, if you're inspired to and it gives you satisfaction, do it. If you build it, people will come.
 

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I'll probably start putting it together piece-by-piece in my free time and see what you guys think about it whenever I copy-paste it in here.
If this a venture you just must pursue, do include several real life examples of what tactics and strategies worked for you out in the wild, what didn't, and your thoughts as to why some things are far more effective than others
 
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