Working past shy women's defenses, when they clearly like you?

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Sometimes shy women are the most defensive. They put of fronts of disinterest, or even act like they dislike you, when it's pretty clear they are into you. Then there are the games, like trying to make you jealous by talking to everyone BUT you. A lot of this is just a defense mechanism, maybe fear of rejection or they're nervous and stressed in your presence, so they avoid you. And many are sensitive to jealousy and a little unavailability. Since they're stuck in their head when it comes to a guy, the thought of a guy not being that interested may wreak havoc on their confidence, and make them sink deeper behind the "front" of indifference.

A girl I dated in the past was exactly like that, until I told her I thought she was really cute, then all of a sudden she was relaxed.

But it's not always appropriate to be direct and just tell them they're really cute and you want to get to know 'em better.

What are good ways to break through the defensive barrier? If shy girls really like me, sometimes simple smalltalk is tough, so it's tough building comfort through conversation.
 

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Don't confuse shyness with disinterest. More often than not it is disinterest or both....if you were shy, would you avoid your object of your interest? Probably not. You game these women the same way as any other by showing interest and if there is no effect made on her you move onto another one. And by gaming I mean creating attraction with zero to little initial interest.
 

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What about obvious jealousy whenever I talk to another girl or get hit on, behaving in a way everyone else takes as interest, posting "baiting" comments in Facebook, and hinting it was directed toward me when I ask. But then there's bad behavior that comes with playing hard to get.
 

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I would say just game them as you would any other girl. If their really insecure about their looks tease them on something else. Give them compliments on the stuff their insecure about after you tease them on something else. I would suggest building more comfort and that should not be so much of a problem.
 

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PapiChulo said:
Don't confuse shyness with disinterest. More often than not it is disinterest or both....if you were shy, would you avoid your object of your interest? Probably not.
A man likely wouldn't but then again women are far less direct. Regardless any time you get mixed signals it is usually an indicator of low interest.

Most women I meet seem to come in either that flavor or the "so interested it screams desperation" type. The former can work out but it requires a lot more patience, assuming that they're warming up to you rather than cooling off even further. Sometimes you just have to chip away at her shell but it needs to be done without being either a nice guy or a jerk, a balance is needed.

Personally I've gotten rather fed up with the shy ones lately and am giving them bare minimum of attention, or none at all in a couple cases. If they are still interested they will start to crack and make an effort to rekindle things. If not then at least you haven't wasted time on them.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Gaming shy girls/women, you need to make sure they're attracted to you, which will make the gaming much easier. If they're not attracted to you, you'll have to make them comfortable around you, then get to know them little by little. There's more, but i'm lazy of typing right now, lol.

I'm currently gaming a shy mid 20's woman at work right now. You can check my thread "Do You Want Me To Fight With My Boyfriend?"

She's old fashion type of woman and shy as hell. I managed to break down her barrier. Soon, I'm going to come over to her house and show her the magic. :)
 

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Pearson said:
What about obvious jealousy whenever I talk to another girl or get hit on, behaving in a way everyone else takes as interest, posting "baiting" comments in Facebook, and hinting it was directed toward me when I ask. But then there's bad behavior that comes with playing hard to get.
Shy women crave attention more than normal women, because they have no balls to act in a way that provokes males to give it to them.This all makes them very hard to read..... She may giggle and blush when talking to you and when you go for a "sure" kill, she just blows you off and gives you an LJBF line. Just ask her out and be done with it. Judge the woman by her actions. Also when she starts playing games right off the bat it is reliable indicator of a lack of genuine interest.
 

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PapiChulo said:
Shy women crave attention more than normal women, because they have no balls to act in a way that provokes males to give it to them.This all makes them very hard to read..... She may giggle and blush when talking to you and when you go for a "sure" kill, she just blows you off and gives you an LJBF line. Just ask her out and be done with it. Judge the woman by her actions. Also when she starts playing games right off the bat it is reliable indicator of a lack of genuine interest.
I'll expand a bit on my current experience with two girls who work in my department. One started working there a while after I did and when we were introduced it was a rare occasion when I felt what you'd call a "spark", and it looked like something was going on her her mind as well. It was weird because she wasn't really my type at all nor up to my usual physical standards. I'd get quite a number of interest indicators: she'd often play with her hair when I was around (sometimes start just from hearing my voice before she even saw me), looking at me when she thinks I can't see her doing it, etc.

Problem was when I decided to give it a try one day when we were both working late and asked her to join me for some dinner (probably a bad idea in retrospect, I was still fairly early in my recovery back then). She turned it down right away saying that she had an appointment that night, etc.

From that day on she was blowing hot/cold continuously, doing the thing where she's friends with everyone except me, mixed signals and so on like the OP described. This went on for a few months and while I was focusing my time on other women (preferably outside of work) this got annoying as I was being exposed to it 5 days a week. One week she's happy to see me and the next she acts as if she hates my guts. Sh!t got old.

Along the way a girl I went to school with whom I hadn't seen in a while gets a job at my company, in my department, and becomes fast friends with the first chick. For the most part chick #2 is cool with me and shows some signs of interest but is being a bit shy herself.

During one Girl #1's cold periods we got a new one in our group. Cute nerdy chick, married and with kids so I don't bother to hit on her but we became instant friends. I was even assigned to mentor her while she got up to speed. For the first time I saw the first girl acting obviously jealous after I had only been interacting with the new girl for an hour. After a couple days she starts warming up again in an attempt to steal back some attention.

So come Christmas party and things really come to a head. The first chick is in full avoidance mode yet is spying on me from a distance as I mingle and the second girl is a bit cold herself and not very sociable to me. After this I decided that while at this point I don't really even want her anymore I am sick of this behavior from Girl #1 and am not pleased that Girl #2 is starting it as well. I decided to freeze them both out starting from that point onward.

For weeks after the party I don't talk to them, don't return any smiles or eye contact, leave conversations they may enter if I don't have a business reason to be talking to them, don't bother to hold the door if they're coming in behind me, etc. I'm enough of a prick that they know that I'm displeased with them but not enough to get into any potential trouble.

Girl #2 cracked after 2 weeks and now won't let me walk past her without trying to strike up a conversation. Girl #1 made it for 4 weeks (as of today) before she finally cracked and started trying to be nice to me again. Even still for now I'm only going reward them with kindness and a bit of attention only when they give it first, let's see just how much I can retrain them to be more respectful.
 

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^ that's exactly the kinda behavior these shy women exhibit. It stems from insecurity.....
 

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:eek: whoa I didn't know guys lost interest because 'it got old'
I always thought they thought I was boring or not too attractive since most don't stick around long.
I'll admit my walls make it hard to get closer to me esp with the mixed signals I give.

I don't guys should skip over the shy girl, I know it's frustrating but take it slow talk to other girls on the side (don't let know) while you're somewhat invested in her.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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