Women that are too successful for a mate

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Latinoman said:
Another thing...many career women want men that make as much or more than them. What they don't realize is that the more a man makes ($$$) the more looks play a factor on his decision. If the man is a millionaire, he will gravitate more toward YOUNGER and HOTTER women.

These women have so much ambition to be independent and successful women to attract a GREAT MAN.

Their primal biological need to mate with the best GENETICS available had them pursue high profile careers and/or success.

Finally their career has taken off and they are hitting their PARADIGMS.

This should be the TIME to REEL them in. Right?

Now they UNPLUG.
 

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Purple-Haze said:
I know women who are doing very well for themselves (read: they are good at what they do, respected for it and make a healthy living) and they possess very feminine qualities (they embrace their femininity).

Would you say that the IDEAL partner is a mix of one who is self-sufficient (so she makes her own money and enough of it to live comfortably, save, etc.), but also one who values your masculinity (is respectful of you, doesn't belittle you , etc)?
Not entirely. Financial self-sufficiency is really a secondary attribute that I, and likely most men, look for in a woman. Obviously I dont want a woman who is in any significant debt or is floundering around with jobs and carreer, but I also dont want a woman who is more career-minded than I am. A relationship where both of us are gunning for the top would simply not work.

The problem with these modern-day successful "gunner" types is that their true feminine qualities are subverted to their adopted masculine attributes. That is why a lot of men arent looking for a relationship with these types of women. At the end of the day, I really dont give a hill of beans how much money she makes, how high up the ladder she is, or how many assets she has. I want a woman who is attractive, flexible, generous and giving, empathetic, a good cook, loves children, loves sex, is forgiving and strong in character.

LOVELYLADY had an awesome post recently about feminie attributes. It is the best post I have read about the subject on this site.

LovelyLady said:
It is a challenging question the OP asks, as many characteristics can also be considered masculine - but are manifested differently by women (such as loyalty). So I have found it challenging to not think in terms of a "quality" woman. But I do believe a quality woman is a woman who is in sync with her feminity.

Feminine traits:

Flexible/submissive.

Compassionate.

Kind.

Empathetic.

Giving.

Receptive.

Gentle.

Affectionate.

Supportive.

Non-competitive in her relationships.

Embraces feminity in her friends - has female friendships/does not see other women as her enemies/positively identifies with feminine energy and role models.

Physical grace and "softness" in demeaner.

A gentle, mallable "aura", or "spirit", if you will. This last one is the most difficult for me to place language on - yet I feel is the most critical factor between masculine and feminine energy. There is a certain concrete, solid thing about a Man/masculine energy. There is a certain fluid, changeable quality about a Woman/feminine energy.


.....As an aside about Motherhood: As Mothers, (which being Motherly people generally think of as a feminine trait) traditionally women actually draw on masculine energy/traits and bring those qualities into their parenting:

They lead in the maturation process of the child.
They are the protector of the child.
They are the disciplinarian/definer of relationship boundery/path/"frame".
They are the primary decision maker for the child.

Because this Mother role has been defined as culturally "feminine" (rather than Female) - women (and men) often carry this belief that a woman is to interact this way with her man/husband/partner.

The problem with this is that while many of the feminine characteristics can be expressed this way with a lover/partner/husband - it ultimately sabotages because it still has the woman also drawing on her masculine traits.

Hence the idea of a woman "letting" her man be the man touches on this dynamic, I believe. Boys are raised to relate to the Mother as a Son- but too often are not taught to relate to other females as a Man to a Woman. So, they enter romantic relationships with the underlying belief system that the woman is still in charge of the dynamic - of being the permission giver to the (boy) man as to whether he is a man - or a grown child - in the relationship.
We live in an age of entitlement. Unfortunately for the women with this midset, they alienate themselves from the Men that they want by embracing attributes that are distinctively masculine. Most men do not have a problem, per se, with a successful woman; but there is a fine balance between career success and maintaining those comlementary female traits that Men are naturally drawn to.
 

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There are only so many hours in a day. The problem for these women and men who are like them, is they don't have a balance in their lives.
 

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Latinoman said:
I noticed that for you the balancing act is

1- "being a great mother"
and
2- "a career woman"

What about being a GREAT wife ?
Glad someone caught that. Way too much effort on everything else other than being husband and wife. And people wonder why marriages end, they seem to have been created in name only. No one sustains the union besides sharing a domicile.
 

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One of my favorite movies is All About Eve - wonderful car scene I will link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPo6N16xP6Q

The following quote is found at about # 6:50 in the youtube link:

"Funny business, a woman's career, the things you drop on the way up the ladder so you can move faster. You forget you'll need them again when you get back to being a woman. It's one career all females have in common - being a woman. Sooner or later we've got to work at it no matter how many other careers we've had or wanted.

And in the last analysis nothing is any good unless you can look up just before dinner or turn around in bed and there he is. Without that you're not a woman. You're something with a French provincial office or a book full of clippings but you're not a woman. "
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Thank you for that quote, and the YouTube clip, Lovely Lady.
I remember seeing it a few times growing up, but never really appreciated some of the finer details that you have brought to light. You always bring something thought provoking to the table, LL.Thank you for that.

I believe that instead of women and men competing against each other and trying to one up each other, each gender shoudl strive for self improvement , even if it is at the cost of not being selfish..
but strong enough to accept the circumstance, learn from it, and then be able to create a more favorable circumstance oneself.
Especially so..
It is true that many women do not grow up having a clear understanding of what a man would truly enjoy and expect form them, so many women dont really appreciate the concept of self improvement from a stance of Femenine strength. Meaning, most women grow up thinking that 'just showing up' is good enough.
Truth is, many Femenists look at Femeninity as a weakness, to be looked down upon. They look up to masculine strength and characteristics, strangely.
So for many women, it is not self improvement, in becoming a better , more mature and powerfully radiant femenine women, it isimply Self EMPOWERMENT, with the idea of becoming a truly nurturing sexual woman left by the wayside.
I think its great to become a better woman, a better mother, better professional career woman, better cook, but like Latinoman said..what about a better Wife or even GF?
Ask men anywhere if they ever hear women complaining about how they wish they were better women and wives, as opposed to how bad men are and that men are all 'dogs', and 'there are no good men left'.

Its heartbreaking. The blindness.


There is a huge emphasis on men to step up to the plate, and deliver to women. And in many cases it is warranted, but it becomes a very strong divisor when it is a double standard that does not apply to women, especially when women try to actually flaunt an air of superiorty over men's heads.
It does no one any good.
It helps no one's 'cause' here.

Is there anything inherently WRONG with self empowerment?
No. Not at all.
But it is a let down when you leave your femenine identity and the deepest role you wish to feel and fulfill behind...
The same is true for Men.
Men should learn how to develop a harmony and softness while out building empires, cutting heads, and competing against each other...
Being a better lover, or how to invest , is great..but what abou tunderstanding how to be a better husband?
Many men have no idea.
Especially when they have never been in a relationship with a woman who truly appreciates them.

Theres very little fun when both men and women are competing for the same gender role.


Most men are simply NOT turned on by Manly females.
Most men are simply not attracted to women who do not embrace their vulnerability and femeninity.


"Its a dog eat dog" world.

Yeah, but ask yourself if it's really all worth it. And are you happy with yourself and your life at the end of the day.

Its important to have an enjoyable career, and work toward a career by going to school and pursuing a degree. But if you are not in balance, then it may be less fruitful than you may have hoped.

So it is important to develop oneself in as many areas as possible, as often as possible.
This goes for men as well.
As women cannot feel attraction for a man who is still in an extended adolescence. If he uses boy psychology. If he hasnt developed that internal strength and emotional strength and resources, tensile and flexible.
If he is not facing himself and his fears. If he doesnt know WHO he is and WHAT he wants.
Women may find you attractive, but you may NEVER gain her interest.
Women can accept a man's vulnerability,but they cannot embrace his denial of it.


And many men, growing up without postive and encouraging masculine role models, also grow up somewhat haphazardly, wandering from place to place.
Not knowing their own true self and what they want in life,and less from a woman.
Many men have never even MET a truly femenine , and nurturing classy woman, let alone actually having been Loved by one.
Its a Man's dream to be in a relationship with a woman who truly cares for him and knows 'how to take care of her man.'
Sadly, for many men, its not even in their paradigm of reality.
I think it is important for many women to not be too quick to judge men in certain cases, when they have never even really experienced love in the first place.
A woman actually loving you for who you are?

Nonsense.Never happens. Doesnt exist.

This is why it is important for both men and women to truly take a deeper look at themselves, and ask themselves the hard questions.
Even if it HURTS you to ask them.
And answer them honestly.

If they are being directed by someone else other than them.
The only thing that ultimately matters is your happiness.
But your happiness will not exist in void.
And the sooner men and women yield to the idea that they truly do NEED each other, perhaps the more peace and harmony and fulfillment each of us will find...

My centavos..
mind dump off.
 
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Latinoman said:
I noticed that for you the balancing act is

1- "being a great mother"
and
2- "a career woman"

What about being a GREAT wife ?
Latinoman, if you go back a few posts, you'll notice that I do mention what makes a good SO (well some traits/actions anyway).

My post regarding children and working mothers was in response to a point about women choosing their career over their children.

A woman who neglects her marriage (and therefore her husband) but allots a great deal of time and engery towards mothering is not a balanced being because she inadvertently (in her not meeting her H's needs) harms the children. A tense household is a perfect breeding ground for emotional issues, etc. that crop up later on in a child's life.

I remember reading somewhere that the best thing a parent can do for their child is to love their partner (with whom they have the child/are rasing the child with) to the fullest (and loving them entails a whole range of things). Neglecting your marriage is a sure way to screw up your kids (well I think so anyway). Loving her husband is the best gift a mother can give her children.

Hope that clears it up.
 
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