Women that are too successful for a mate

[jophil28]

Would you say that the IDEAL partner is a mix of one who is self-sufficient (so she makes her own money and enough of it to live comfortably, save, etc.), but also one who values your masculinity (is respectful of you, doesn't belittle you , etc)?

Yep, there are women like this down here - unfortunately, they are both married.

 

[Jitterbug]

Maybe the author of the article used some bad examples but the women featured in it aren't attractive, even behind thick layers of makeup and favourable camera angles & lighting. If they exaggerate their claim of attractiveness, I'm sure they'll have no problem doing that with their success, intelligence, strength and independence.

This is projection. Those women dig wealth & status in their mates, and assume that men are after the same things. They see that successful, wealthy, intelligent men have their picks of women and assume that if they were to become like those men, they'd have plenty of mates. Hah! To borrow their favourite shaming language, men aren't that "shallow".

Also, if they so want to be independent, why are they desperate for a relationship? People in a relationship are interdependent of each other. Live alone if you want to be independent.

One woman in that article reveals why she's single. She's way too busy with her job...I mean, career. She's out every night spending all of her time on it. And she expects a good relationship to fall out of thin air and drop on her lap while she spends zero effort on trying to find it? :crackup:

Whoever said women can multi-task really did them a huge disservice.

Also, what's with those strong independent women wanting challenges from their men all the time? If men want constant d!ck-size comparisons, we would either turn gay or stay in our corporate office 24/7.

jophil, you are preaching to the choir. Those women I spoke of in my previous post are "walked all over" by their men because they have NO identity outside of their relationship to the man. She sits and waits for him, she dotes on him and clings to him throughout the day. This woman EXPECTS him to complete her.

How's that different to the strong independent career women in that article whining about not being able to find a man? To me, that sounds like:

- They have no identity / life outside of their own career.
- They expect a man to complete themselves. Because they "have it all" BUT a man.

 

[Purple-Haze]

Maybe the author of the article used some bad examples but the women featured in it aren't attractive, even behind thick layers of makeup and favourable camera angles & lighting. If they exaggerate their claim of attractiveness, I'm sure they'll have no problem doing that with their success, intelligence, strength and independence.

This is projection. Those women dig wealth & status in their mates, and assume that men are after the same things. They see that successful, wealthy, intelligent men have their picks of women and assume that if they were to become like those men, they'd have plenty of mates. Hah! To borrow their favourite shaming language, men aren't that "shallow".

Also, if they so want to be independent, why are they desperate for a relationship? People in a relationship are interdependent of each other. Live alone if you want to be independent.

One woman in that article reveals why she's single. She's way too busy with her job...I mean, career. She's out every night spending all of her time on it. And she expects a good relationship to fall out of thin air and drop on her lap while she spends zero effort on trying to find it? :crackup:

Whoever said women can multi-task really did them a huge disservice.

Also, what's with those strong independent women wanting challenges from their men all the time? If men want constant d!ck-size comparisons, we would either turn gay or stay in our corporate office 24/7.



How's that different to the strong independent career women in that article whining about not being able to find a man? To me, that sounds like:

- They have no identity / life outside of their own career.
- They expect a man to complete themselves. Because they "have it all" BUT a man.

Well that is precisely my point. There IS a happy medium.

 

[carissy]

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.co...uccessfulForAMate.aspx?GT1=33009#pageTopAchor



I'll tell you what gives, Honey. Men don't care if their woman is successful. They just want her to be physically attractive, be satisfying sexually, cook an edible meal, keep the home neat, and not be upsetting to his psychological constitution. Try working on that, and these women will not have a problem finding a good man.

Well.. if they lived in the day's of "June Clever".I would have to agree. Times have changed. That's a fact.

 

[Jitterbug]

Well.. if they lived in the day's of "June Clever".I would have to agree. Times have changed. That's a fact.

Heh, is it one of those examples of "women want this and that and men have to change to suit them"?

Well that is precisely my point. There IS a happy medium.

The women of yesteryears and their husbands were badmouthed by the hardcore feminists. Men had and have nothing but top respect for such women. The ones who are most vocal about trashing their reputation are militant feminists.

 

[Purple-Haze]

The women of yesteryears and their husbands were badmouthed by the hardcore feminists. Men had and have nothing but top respect for such women. The ones who are most vocal about trashing their reputation are militant feminists.

I mentioned this in another thread very briefly...

I am a feminist by definition because I believe I am EQUAL to my male counterpart. However, I am not the SAME. Some people have a hard time with this concept.

This is why the example such as yours rubs some people the wrong way. Extremist feminists view such women with disdain because they ASSUME that these women are relinquishing their power by being subservient to their husbands, that she is making him her master (the very thing they despise). However, what they fail to realize is that these women do this of their own volition. Furthermore, they do not see this as some kind of threat or submission but rather as a celebration of the male-female dynamic.

These women are their partner's equal in that she is not beneath him in terms of her value but she IS not the same (she has different roles and traits, different strengths and weaknesses).

This was hard for many of the fundamentalist feminists to grasp. They insist that these women do not know any better and are blindly following in the steps of their ancestral mothers.

At the heart of this debate is the notion of CHOICE. These women CHOOSE the role they play in their relationship - it is not force fed to them.

Of course I am referring to those egalitarian relationships where the couple takes on "traditional" roles. I do not refer to ALL relationships where he is the breadwinner and she is the homemaker - just those where she has made the CHOICE to take on that role.

 

[carissy]

Heh, is it one of those examples of "women want this and that and men have to change to suit them"?



The women of yesteryears and their husbands were badmouthed by the hardcore feminists. Men had and have nothing but top respect for such women. The ones who are most vocal about trashing their reputation are militant feminists.

Holy hey day! Yes. Men should change to suit them.. It's called balance. Lot's of R's IMO are not balanced in this day and age because of a "past" factor".We all need to roll with the changes.. to be in a good place. Weather it be in an LTR, M..or simply alone.

 

[Jitterbug]

PH, that's why I use "militant feminists" and not just "feminists", because I believe that there are a few different types. Your type is what men have no problem with.

 

[Purple-Haze]

PH, that's why I use "militant feminists" and not just "feminists", because I believe that there are a few different types. Your type is what men have no problem with.

Sadly, this is the type of feminist that women hating psychos like to focus on. They dismiss the others (or consider them "exceptions") and insist that feminism is BS and that the women of today are all ballbusting b1tches with an axe to grind.

 

[Jitterbug]

Well, it's because the militant ones are very vocal and are in positions of power, so it appears that the other types don't exist. The rest of you need to speak out against them (I have seen very few examples of that), because any man doing so will most likely be dismissed then ostracized because of "misogyny".

 

[Purple-Haze]

Well, it's because the militant ones are very vocal and are in positions of power, so it appears that the other types don't exist. The rest of you need to speak out against them (I have seen very few examples of that), because any man doing so will most likely be dismissed then ostracized because of "misogyny".

Not necessarily Jitterbug. The women in my life are vocal in their views (in that they do not cower in silence). I have gone to various events, etc. where such views are welcomed and discussed. Some of these women hold (or have held) positions of power and have been "heard" by their peers (in one form or another).

So it's not necessarily a matter of reaching one's audience.

My issue with all of this is that misogynists take these militant feminists to be representative of feminism as a whole. What's more, they take their views to be reflective of the modern feminine. Every time he meets a woman who does not subscribe to the fundamentalist feminist ideology, he considers her an "exception".

 

[ketostix]

It's really simple. These women are rejecting guys they could get, i.e., guys who don't make more money than them. And the few minority of guys who make more, want a better looking more feminine woman. It's a simple case of a woman having sky high unreasonable expectations in what a man has to bring to the table, while the women themselves don't feel like they have to meet men's expectations.

Anyone else here see Purple-Haze as the new Wyldfire?

 

[Joe The Homophobe]

Henry Makow said it best, women now a days are coercing men to love them. They expect you to love them with their masculine traits, b|tchyness, and their "strong, independent" selfs yet men look to beauty, charm and grace, not power when it comes to women.

Reminds me of the stories of the hot blond mexican girls dancing by themselves in towns south of the border while the american guys are busy dancing with the mexican girls. This is what is happening now, women are finding it hard to find life partners. They say "i make good money, im smart, independent" why am i alone?

 

[carissy]

Sadly, this is the type of feminist that women hating psychos like to focus on. They dismiss the others (or consider them "exceptions") and insist that feminism is BS and that the women of today are all ballbusting b1tches with an axe to grind.

Holy C***p. Not at all! Just be who you are and bring to the R. If it's not good beacause of many past factors.. then deal with that first.

 

[Purple-Haze]

Holy C***p. Not at all! Just be who you are and bring to the R. If it's not good beacause of many past factors.. then deal with that first.

I don't mean in a relationship context necessarily. I frankly have no desire to get involved with such men.

My point is that there is a middle ground for those people who are sane and appreciate the value of the opposite sex. For the extremists, there is no such place.

 

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Well.. if they lived in the day's of "June Clever".I would have to agree. Times have changed. That's a fact.

Still doesn't change the FACT men dont find it attractive , hence the original post.

And is cooking meals and keeping the house tidy really that much of a "days of old" scenario for women? I doubt it. I know plenty of chicks who dont feel the need to start burning bras, hell some of them even do it with a smile on their face...:crazy: how zany is that?

As a matter of fact the entire article is null and void, simply because if these "successful women" are lucky enough ever to meet a man of worth, she will do whatever the fvck it takes to keep him, and yes *GASP* cook and clean will be just a few truly horrible things she will do believe it or not.

 

[jophil28]

Those women I spoke of in my previous post are "walked all over" by their men because they have NO identity outside of their relationship to the man. She sits and waits for him, she dotes on him and clings to him throughout the day. This woman EXCEPTS him to complete her.

THis is merely another manifestation of modern women's "entitlement" complex. SHe believes that just her presence in his life is sufficient. God forbid she should ever have to actively contribute to the relationship. What you are really describing is the 'trophy pvssy' ..the woman who believs that she is a man's pet but expects that he will provide for her in grand style without her lifting one false eyelash.
Gross.

 

[AgonyUncle]

This was my fave bit

In the end, common values and goals, generosity, intelligence, respect, a warped sense of humor and a mutual attraction floated to the top of the list. Nearly everything else on that list was negotiable, including income and educational attainment.

"As you get older, you get more clear on what's important to you," says Dr. Debra Condren, a psychologist, career coach and author of "am-*****-ous" -- which explores how and why women sabotage their own ambition, and why they should cut it out.

So her expectations dropped as she become more desperate? BWHAHAHAHAH.

"Its not like I cant get a millionaire cover model with a PHD or anything, its just that I have a better sense of whats important now"

YEHAHAHAHAHAHA. Whatever. Sorry lady. As you get older, fewer men are going to want to sleep with you. You HAVE to lower your standards.

Weak men are intimidated by "succesful women". Real men build empires selling them tampons or selling advertising slots on Oprah. How many companies have women taken from a startup to a listed company in the last 20 years? Hmmmm? The only really wealthy women are those that inherited their money, work in entertainment or managed to marry and divorce a fat cat.

Sorry, a "slave in the kitchen or home" is hardly much different to a wage slave in some corporate environment. In fact, I would wager to think that raising children would be more rewarding then compiling sales forecasts and having to do lunch with people you cant stand.

But hey, you keep living the dream girls...

 

[Latinoman]

For some women, it's a balancing act - they try to do both but do end up giving one more attention than the other. A few are great at handling both (being a great mother and a career woman).

I noticed that for you the balancing act is

1- "being a great mother"
and
2- "a career woman"

What about being a GREAT wife ?

 

[Latinoman]

I personally prefer women that have a college education and some sort of career (independent woman). Especially now that I have no desire to have more children.

But...the problem with many career women in their 30s (and above) is that they have this "us vs. them" mentallity. Many times, they do NOT want their man to lead because they are feminists.

I do believe that when it comes to careers...we are equals.

But when it comes to relationships...there is not equality. Why? Because biologically speaking, we are different.

Another thing...many career women want men that make as much or more than them. What they don't realize is that the more a man makes ($$$) the more looks play a factor on his decision. If the man is a millionaire, he will gravitate more toward YOUNGER and HOTTER women.