Women only training hours at my school's gym

[Jaylan]

You're telling this guy not to protest what he sees as unfair because it might cost him some chick being attracted to him. That's pretty much standard stereotypical "nice guy" behavior - in other words, appeasement. Can we put the pvssy on the pedestal any higher here?

Anyway Jaylan, you're always saying that it does no good to discuss men's rights issues on these forums because it's all just talk. Well, now someone has stepped forward to actually do something about these double standard policies - he lodges a complaint, and you still have a problem with it. What gives?

Turns out OP isnt the young college kid I thought he was. I checked out his journal and he's in his late 20s. So I can already tell how this is gonna go over with campus staff and other students.

Being laid back, chill, and a fun guy is integral to getting laid in school. Its integral to fitting in. Also, if youre gonna be someone who rocks the boat, it helps to be a young angsty teen...that way people have more patience and an open ear for what you have to say.

To be an older guy on campus, complaining about a few gym hours meant to help young co-eds stay in shape...think about how thats gonna go over. OP will be dismissed by campus staff and especially by the students...trust me. They will see him as a whiny older dude whos b!tching about some minor stuff thats harming no one.

This isn't a men's rights issue right here. This will simply be seen as petty nonsense. Seriously...guys here are up in arms over a few gym hours? A guy whos over 25 and has maturity and awareness should be focused on real men's rights issues like parental rights and divorce court bias....not freaking gym hours.

The general male population would be able to agree with changing things with regard to divorce and parental rights. The general male population won't give a flying sh!t about a few "chick hours" at some university gym.

Fight battles that will actually change something and get men involved. Not this ish.

 

[amoka]

Turns out OP isnt the young college kid I thought he was. I checked out his journal and he's in his late 20s. So I can already tell how this is gonna go over with campus staff and other students.

Being laid back, chill, and a fun guy is integral to getting laid in school. Its integral to fitting in. Also, if youre gonna be someone who rocks the boat, it helps to be a young angsty teen...that way people have more patience and an open ear for what you have to say.

To be an older guy on campus, complaining about a few gym hours meant to help young co-eds stay in shape...think about how thats gonna go over. OP will be dismissed by campus staff and especially by the students...trust me. They will see him as a whiny older dude whos b!tching about some minor stuff thats harming no one.

This isn't a men's rights issue right here. This will simply be seen as petty nonsense. Seriously...guys here are up in arms over a few gym hours? A guy whos over 25 and has maturity and awareness should be focused on real men's rights issues like parental rights and divorce court bias....not freaking gym hours.

The general male population would be able to agree with changing things with regard to divorce and parental rights. The general male population won't give a flying sh!t about a few "chick hours" at some university gym.

Fight battles that will actually change something and get men involved. Not this ish.

Jaylan, I generally agree with you on your position on issues but this one is certainly not one of them. Claiming thunder_god should silence himself because taking action against the discriminatory practices by his university will bring down his pu55y stock options is illogical. The primary objective of thunder_god as a student, like many of his college peers, is to learn and it is the duty of the institution to provide the atmosphere for him, and ALL pupil, to do so. If the institution deems providing exercise facility to the students could help improve their health and thereby increase their learning potentials, it should give ALL students the equal chance to use such facility.

If the university believes women deserve special hours to use such facility, they should provide men-only hours as well. Alternatively, they could build a separate exercise facilities for both genders if their interest is to accommodate women-only. Otherwise, all students deserve the SAME amount of time to use the facility.

 

[zekko]

This isn't a men's rights issue right here. This will simply be seen as petty nonsense. Seriously...guys here are up in arms over a few gym hours? A guy whos over 25 and has maturity and awareness should be focused on real men's rights issues like parental rights and divorce court bias....not freaking gym hours.

1) You've got to start somewhere.
2) You know as well as I do that if a gym had "men only" hours, women would be screaming from the rooftops. Actually, all they would have to do is complain ONCE, and the gym would fold by either getting rid of the men's hours or providing women only hours immediately.
3) I admire thunder god for standing up for his principles. I find it a little hard to think of someone in their late twenties as "older", but it's all a matter of perspective. The fact that he is older, wiser, and more experienced makes him the perfect guy to take the lead on this.
4) Maybe this isn't the most important issue in the world, but the idea is to put the idea out there that you can't get away with discriminating against men anymore.

 

[thunder_god]

Turns out OP isnt the young college kid I thought he was. I checked out his journal and he's in his late 20s. So I can already tell how this is gonna go over with campus staff and other students.

Being laid back, chill, and a fun guy is integral to getting laid in school. Its integral to fitting in. Also, if youre gonna be someone who rocks the boat, it helps to be a young angsty teen...that way people have more patience and an open ear for what you have to say.

To be an older guy on campus, complaining about a few gym hours meant to help young co-eds stay in shape...think about how thats gonna go over. OP will be dismissed by campus staff and especially by the students...trust me. They will see him as a whiny older dude whos b!tching about some minor stuff thats harming no one.

This isn't a men's rights issue right here. This will simply be seen as petty nonsense. Seriously...guys here are up in arms over a few gym hours? A guy whos over 25 and has maturity and awareness should be focused on real men's rights issues like parental rights and divorce court bias....not freaking gym hours.

The general male population would be able to agree with changing things with regard to divorce and parental rights. The general male population won't give a flying sh!t about a few "chick hours" at some university gym.

Fight battles that will actually change something and get men involved. Not this ish.

You know for all the time you have wasted coming into my thread and criticizing me for standing up for what I believe is wrong and then telling me to go tackle bigger men's issues, I have yet to see you do the same with these bigger issues. You're a hypocrite and all just fcuking talk like the rest of the beta male population. What have you done as of late about discrimination against males? Let me guess... absolutely nothing. Why don't you put the money where your mouth is and show us all here what you have done besides whine and ***** about unfair treatment of males like parental rights and divorce courts.

 

[thunder_god]

As much as I would like to send out that complaint letter today, I won't be able to go to the faculty of kinesiology and physical education until next week to ask for the chairman's contact info, unless one of you guys want to go dig up his info. I'm on placement right now and don't get home until 5:30 each day which is past the opening hours.

 

[Jaylan]

Op is butt hurt so he calls me beta lol. Ive read your journal bro. Don't cast stones from your glass house. Seriously...you don't wanna go down the insult route with that journal of yours.

If you're first instinct to realistic opinion is to insult and attack someone, I can't imagine how you'll fair when people challenge you in person on this issue. Immaturity won't help your case.

Learn from Espi and zekko...they know how to disagree with me by maturely responding to my post point by point without butthurt insults. Be less emotional.

 

[thunder_god]

Op is butt hurt so he calls me beta lol. Ive read your journal bro. Don't cast stones from your glass house. Seriously...you don't wanna go down the insult route with that journal of yours.

If you're first instinct to realistic opinion is to insult and attack someone, I can't imagine how you'll fair when people challenge you in person on this issue. Immaturity won't help your case.

Learn from Espi and zekko...they know how to disagree with me by maturely responding to my post point by point without butthurt insults. Be less emotional.

If it ain't the pot calling the kettle black. When I refused to listen to you and went ahead and emailed my complaint, you resorted to shaming me and then talking to me in a condescending way by referring to me as "young college kid" and now calling me "old" lol. Here's a suggestion, when you talk to someone in a patronizing and immature way, what do you expect is going to happen? And what about my journal? I came to this site because I suck with women and I'm looking to improve in that area of life. I never claimed to be an expert. That journal was created to constantly remind me of how $hitty I have it with women and to go do something about it. Got a problem with that?

 

[Jaylan]

If it ain't the pot calling the kettle black. When I refused to listen to you and went ahead and emailed my complaint, you resorted to shaming me and then talking to me in a condescending way by referring to me as "young college kid" and now calling me "old" lol. Here's a suggestion, when you talk to someone in a patronizing and immature way, what do you expect is going to happen? And what about my journal? I came to this site because I suck with women and I'm looking to improve in that area of life. I never claimed to be an expert. That journal was created to constantly remind me of how $hitty I have it with women and to go do something about it. Got a problem with that?

Lets go over this post:

1. I called you kid because most people in college are 18 to 22 yr old kids. So I assumed you were a youngster, because in my book people under 24 are kids. Its not meant to shame or be condescending, its simply a manner of speaking. Its not different from my older relatives still calling me a kid, despite being my age.

2. I called you "old" when I found out your real age, because I was making a point about how the campus youngsters will respond to your attempted activism. Youre around my age, so certainly I dont see you as old. But will college kids see you as old, especially if they dont like what youre up to? Yup.

When I was in school, Id see people age-shame people who werent traditional undergrad age when they didnt like their behavior. But if someone of that same age did something they thought was cool, the sentiment change to "hes/shes super cool. Id never guess they were older"

3. A journal is a great thing. Life improvement is an amazing thing. And chronicling your journey can be very important in terms of progress. I just dont like how some guys who are still apprentice level, go around calling others beta.

Hell, Ive been here for a few years, and I never really speak like that. I dont consider myself a pro with the ladies, nor do I do too poorly. I just dont look at things through the lens of alpha-beta.

So do you bro. If you can get down to the bottom of this case and effect some change, props to you on that.

 

[El Suave]

Jaylan,

a bunch of people told you that you're in the wrong on this matter. I'm adding my name to the list.

What thunder god is doing takes balls and he wouldn't have to do it alone if we weren't hiding behind keyboards. I honestly don't think the policy will change, but it will give others courage to challenge bs rules like this. This is how it starts. I have lived through a revolution when I was younger and I can tell you that it is stuff like this that makes it happen. Word of mouth spreads pretty quickly and people start feeling stronger as numbers rise.

Moreover, you are telling him not to muddy the waters so he can get laid more. The guy doesn't even have time to write a complaint letter, you think he has time to chase skirts. For him it is more important to focus on his career. You are projecting unto him what you have done in college, which probably brought you to this site. I can't even begin to comprehend how after a few years on this site, you are still pedestalizing pvssy. :nono:

 

[speed dawg]

Op is butt hurt so he calls me beta lol. Ive read your journal bro. Don't cast stones from your glass house. Seriously...you don't wanna go down the insult route with that journal of yours.

If you're first instinct to realistic opinion is to insult and attack someone, I can't imagine how you'll fair when people challenge you in person on this issue. Immaturity won't help your case.

Learn from Espi and zekko...they know how to disagree with me by maturely responding to my post point by point without butthurt insults. Be less emotional.

Mods, it's time. Guy making fun of another guy's journey, this has NO PLACE on this forum.

He's the worst poster here. Send him on down the road to Loveshack.

 

[amoka]

Mods, it's time. Guy making fun of another guy's journey, this has NO PLACE on this forum.

He's the worst poster here. Send him on down the road to Loveshack.

I do not believe "making fun of another guy's journey" warrants a ban.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Thunder God, allow me to buy you a beer when I get home.

One thing I would like to say though is to drop the inquisition, its going to come flying back in your face. Yeah its not right and its a double standard but Ontario is completely fvcked right now and the powers that be will do their best to stamp you and everything you stand for into a million little pieces. If you read my latest thread, the premier is forcing kids as young as 7 to learn about the 'NO MEANS NO' policy. This is just sick but what you are doing here contradicts everything the libtards stand for and you will be on their radar. You may even lose your education or be out'ed from the university completely... that would be a best case scenario, it could also mean you being investigated by various govt and private agencies. This is not something you want to happen, especially with the current Rape Hysteria going around.

The only way to get through school in Canada is to keep your head down, your eyes closed and your mouth shut.

 

[Jaylan]

I do not believe "making fun of another guy's journey" warrants a ban.

speeddawg simply cannot stand the idea of people being on this forum who dont agree with his world view.

Mods, it's time. Guy making fun of another guy's journey, this has NO PLACE on this forum.

He's the worst poster here. Send him on down the road to Loveshack.

Take the vendetta elsewhere buddy. Thundergod and I have already squashed our beef, why are you trying to troll? I took issue with OP calling others beta, and I let him know why. Later I explained my reasoning and commended his journal. I wished him good look on his journey towards improvement, and also in this case with the school.

If you took the time to read the following posts, you would see that. Hop off.

 

[dasein]

Have been away and agree with how Espi suggests proceeding. Think the petition is a good idea if not too much time from studies, and always mail certified or the Canadian equivalent. Great job TG, and I wanted to vomit on my screen at the doubletalk newspeak you got in the Email reply. Don't accept any of that at face value, it's meaningless arblebargle. In your shoes, if the letter and petition don't get results in time, might even consider shopping around lawyers there. There have to be at least a few in a city that size who are sick of Canadian feminism and would take it pro bono. Would consider those who do employment law defense of companies if it comes to that.

Oh, and don't let anything kaylan says rattle you. If anything, this may get you laid. Remember the old Barnum maxim, "ALL PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY."

 

[thunder_god]

I was walking along the street today when I saw this:

 

[thunder_god]

TG click this link and let me know if you can view it or not:

http://localhost/Undergraduate/Current_Students/Petitions.aspx

This is a link for a petition that I found on U of T's Fitness and Kinesiology website. I was actually able to click-and-view the petition last week but I forgot about it.

Because I'm now unable to view it, I'm not sure what kind of petition form it is. But I'm thinking I would save that form to my computer and then email every U of T man and woman that I know, asking each of them to please complete and then file the petition against the women's-only gym.

And I would also print, like, 100 copies of those fvucking petitions and post them everywhere around campus. Get the message out. Just like that other dude is doing. You could even post the petition right next to that other dude's poster.

Unfortunately I cannot view it. I wonder if they took it down due to my recent email to the assistant manager.

 

[thunder_god]

Email them with read -receipt and ask them to email it to you. cc the director and/or the person you previously emailed.

In fact I would just respond via that email you've already sent. And I would also ask them to respond with the director's name.

Was this the form you were referring to


I quickly scanned through it and it seems to be for academic accommodations such as missing a test or something.

edited: removed link

 

[Who Dares Win]

I suggest to avoid giving too many details about the university, the gym and most of all the user which is filling the report.

The last thing you need for your cause is someone finding out this thread and spread the rumor about "a pickup artist bragging with his sexist friends about how he will kick women out of gym", because thats exactly how they will frame it.

 

[thunder_god]

I found this

I'm going to head to the gym in a little bit and take a photo while I'm there.

I could definitely use some help guys with writing up the next complaint letter. The person who's contact info I got has the title of assistant manager at the strength and conditioning centre. I got her email address from one of her employees. I told the employee I was looking for the contact info of the person responsible for creating the gym policies here and they gave me her contact info. She also has her office right in front of the gym as well. Should I try and ask for her superior at the main office? Only problem I can see is if I do that, they will try and get me to meet with them right at that moment and I wouldn't have any documentation to leave a trail nor would I be prepared to discuss the matter with them on the spot.

edited: links removed

 

[thunder_god]

Can you guys do me a favor, and remove all the links or posts that mention the university and instead pm me the links for the people from the university I should be contacting to escalate this matter. If I'm going to go ahead with this cause, the last thing I want is people to find out about me using this site and using it to attack me.