Women don’t know what beautiful women look like

[Fruitbat]

In my experience, all the women I’ve been around have no idea what beautiful women look like. Invariably they select string featured, slightly masculine or powerful women as what they think of female beauty. Either that or a very rich looking woman.

the kind of feminine, delicate beauty I like, my wife sneers at and says “there are tons of women out there like that”

Margot Robbie is one like this. I really think she’s average and she looked middle aged in Barbie. The women on Reddit were raging about that, “how can these incels criticise Margot Fkin Robbie”? Yeah, she’s not all that and never was. She has that Hollywood face,just kind of bland and boring.

plus her mouth looks kind of too big for her face, I notice this a lot in terms of American beauty, the US pin ups seem to have a very pronounced teethy smile

 

[Plinco]

I've seen women that are very capable of what sexy or good-looking women should look like.

This again goes back to accountability in cognition.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Margot Robbie is one like this. I really think she’s average and she looked middle aged in Barbie. The women on Reddit were raging about that, “how can these incels criticise Margot Fkin Robbie”? Yeah, she’s not all that and never was. She has that Hollywood face,just kind of bland and boring.

I didn’t see Barbie but remember Margot being high tier in Wolf of Wall Street.

But yes, generally women have no idea what men like. It’s laughable to be honest. My wife shows me big booty fat women and calls them hot. I tell her maybe if she loses 50 pounds. Then wife scoffs. “Really?”

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Women very much know what beautiful women look like. Who do you think they are dressing up for when they go out?

Hint, it's not you...it's to beat out other women they are competing with.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Women very much know what beautiful women look like. Who do you think they are dressing up for when they go out?

Hint, it's not you...it's to beat out other women they are competing with.

But they're basing what they think is sexy off of what other women think is sexy, which is usually a bunch of nonsense. Nails is another big one - no man on earth gives a shvt about nails, and yet they do it because other women will judge them. This has no actual bearing on their attractiveness.

The biggest indicator to me that most women don't know how to be sexy is their fashion choices, which are usually absymally basic nonsense, unclassy, unfeminine, clown trending nonsense that hasn't based on what men like for nearly 30 years.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

But they're basing what they think is sexy off of what other women think is sexy, which is usually a bunch of nonsense. Nails is another big one - no man on earth gives a shvt about nails, and yet they do it because other women will judge them. This has no actual bearing on their attractiveness.

The biggest indicator to me that most women don't know how to be sexy is their fashion choices, which are usually absymally basic nonsense, unclassy, unfeminine, clown trending nonsense that hasn't based on what men like for nearly 30 years.

Again...they are NOT doing it for you, they are doing it to look better than the other women there and want the other women to KNOW it.

Sounds like you either have been looking in the wrong places or go for the wrong type of women.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Again...they are NOT doing it for you, they are doing it to look better than the other women there and want the other women to KNOW it.

Sounds like you either have been looking in the wrong places or go for the wrong type of women.

But that's exactly my point, they're doing it for other women, not men; women don't know (or even care) what men find attractive. Women don't determine what's attractive in women, men determine that. Just like men don't get to determine what makes a man attractive.

 

[pipeman84]

Nails is another big one - no man on earth gives a shvt about nails,

I do.
Nails can tell quite a lot about a woman ... no manicure at all -> the woman probably gave up on her femininity
nice nails -> green flag
overly done, long, weird nails -> red flag

 

[Smok1nAce]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Margot Robbie works because she has a safe enough face to be considered attractive by anyones standards and dosent have any features that are considered "unattractive".

I like it when girls wear basics.

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This girl for example I would consider a dime. But on a casting couch they might say her eyes are two dark and breast to big to be considered beautiful. Striking features arnt general considered beautiful everywhere. I could see alot of men considering her as just cute.

Every women has there sense of beauty some far better then others. I matched with girl once on an app that was very attractive but had the aura of a mid 2000s punk band. One of her pictures was her wearing a dress with fire flames on it.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

But that's exactly my point, they're doing it for other women, not men; women don't know (or even care) what men find attractive. Women don't determine what's attractive, men do. Just like men don't get to decide what makes a man attractive.

They are smart enough to know that if they are hot and show a little skin, they will have guys all over them. Let's be real, it doesn't take much for guys.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

They are smart enough to know that if they are hot and show a little skin, they will have guys all over them. Let's be real, it doesn't take much for guys.

Modern male thirst is a complete joke so yeah, that is partially men's fault for accepting whatever they do. Men used to have standards for femininity. I actually don't necessarily mind women who show a lot of skin, but they often do it in a way that just looks trashy and cheap and is often completely lacking in subtlety or class. This sort of understated femininity and sexiness I'm describing is a lost art, most women don't have the faintest idea how to do it.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Women know what beautiful women look like. A woman who has allure will dress in such a way as to show off her assets while leaving something to the imagination.

Here's the biggest problem I see. Too much skin. It sends the wrong message (not classy) and many women honestly do NOT have the figure to pull it off anyway. If you are a long legged size 0 with C cup breasts, smooth skin and good muscle tone you can rock a backless halter top, exposed midriff and mini skirt with big heels. Think about Daisy Duke. Same principle. If there are any figure flaws? It looks bad/trashy/like a woman is desperate or trying too hard. I've been the girl who can pull that look off. Very few women can, and it's a club look, not a coffee date or lunch date look.

What I saw often in Vegas was young women with cellulite wearing what I call cheap sausage dresses (they looked like sausages stuffed in casing) that were too short, sleeveless and plunging cleavage. Awful.

But men are into skin so it shows off the body, and advertises sex, so these girls wear that stuff.

I have dresses that cover everything but yet are very sexy. One is mock turtleneck, ankle length, short sleeve and hugs the figure in a very sexy, classy way. It does have a kick slit in back so it shows the legs in a peek-a-boo way as you walk. Shows everything but displays very little skin. Solid chocolate brown. I've had that dress since I was 26 and still rock it.

Another one is a dress I've also had since my 20s. Ralph Lauren Collection. Solid nude jersey. Bias cut. It is a deep V neckline (so you get cleavage), long sleeves to the wrists, length to the ankle. Hugs and drapes the body beautifully. My friends call it the Lady Godiva dress because you give the impression that you are naked when you walk in a room wearing that dress. Every head turns, many jaws drop.

And you've got to be in shape to wear it, because there is nowhere to hide figure flaws even though you are totally covered.

Herve Ledger makes very sexy dresses. I have more than 20 of them, again, you need to have a good figure, but they are alluring in a classy way, especially the simpler styles. Examples below:

https://poshmark.com/listing/Herve-Leger-Rebekah-Fringe-Halter-Gown-Black-62b8b80dac970205ff8af07f

https://poshmark.com/listing/New-Herve-leger-Black-Sydney-dress-NWT-780-5cafdda3d1aa25c119f180b0

When I met my husband I was wearing the second dress in butter yellow. Size XXS. I have a dozen of those dresses in different colors. I also have the top one in black and also in ocean blue. The top one is a showstopper in the way it moves when you move.

The trick is to dress with allure while maintaining a sense of elegance.

 

[member162951]

I dunno guys, I think if a woman is even just moderately self-aware, observant of the world around her and pays attention to how a man (or men) react and respond to her at various times and wearing various modes of attire, she knows what he will like.

And perhaps even more important, she knows what SHE likes, what suits HER best, her personality, her energy, her style.

Speaking for myself, I dress sexy and classy (similar to what @Be described) for MYSELF, because when I look my best, I feel my best and when I look and feel my best, I also ACT my best and those three things combined can be addictive to a man in my experience.

If that's not your experience guys, and if you truly believe she only dresses sexy for other women, and not for herself and in turn YOU, then so be but you are missing out are on a great experience with a great woman because the type of energy a woman exudes from being that beautiful, that sexy, that confident and that comfortable in her own skin is priceless. I have had men tell me this.

Wanting to dress sexy for other women, needing that type of external validation from other women wreaks of insecurity, low self-esteem and lack of confidence no matter how beautiful she may be on the outside. Don't you guys feel that from such women? That insecurity? That need for external validation?

Again just me but I don’t give a rat’s rear end what other women think. 100% truth.

I look my best for ME and in turn HIM for reasons stated. It’s a win-win for both of us and I believe it’s true for HIM as well with respect to why HE always strives to look and be HIS best self. Why he works out, why he searches out the best style for him, why he always wants to be HIS best self. Physically and mentally.

Those are the best relationships in my experience, two people who look, feel and are their best selves for themselves and each other.

I didn't always feel this way. But I do now, I am much more confident and comfortable in my own skin than ever before and men have noticed and respond positively to it.

 

[member162951]

I do.
Nails can tell quite a lot about a woman ... no manicure at all -> the woman probably gave up on her femininity
nice nails -> green flag
overly done, long, weird nails -> red flag

I agree @pipeman84 I always keep my fingernails AND toenails well manicured and polished, I am almost obsessed about it, lol.

And men (even strangers on the street!) have noticed and commented (complimented), especially my toes after just getting a pedicure. Guys, it's a great way to cold approach a girl too, I've had many men do it..

Course here in SoCal, we're always wearing toeless and strapless sandals so keeping toes manicured and polished is almost a necessity!

It makes a difference and again men definitely DO notice how pretty my toes (and nails) look even when they're not intentionally hitting on me.

 

[Pandora]

I didn’t see Barbie but remember Margot being high tier in Wolf of Wall Street.

But yes, generally women have no idea what men like. It’s laughable to be honest. My wife shows me big booty fat women and calls them hot. I tell her maybe if she loses 50 pounds. Then wife scoffs. “Really?”

lol bro i did not know that you were married

 

[BeExcellent]

EDIT: @BeExcellent I noticed you gave a "like" to some of these posts. Do you really give af what other women think about how you dress and how you look? I dunno, perhaps I am missing something but if so I am very surprised to hear that.
[/QUOTE]

I think it is short sighted not to care what others think.

Having said that I do not need external validation from anyone, I know what styles are most flattering on me and I understand what it means to have allure while maintaining good taste.

It is more a question of appropriateness. It is also a question of speaking the language of style in certain circles without saying a word.

Take handbags for example. Women who carry Hermes Kelly bags or Hermes Birkin bags move in a very different social strata than women who carry Michael Kors or Coach bags. The first group is far more socially elite. Women who carry Vuitton bags or Gucci fall in between. Same is true for jewelry. Van Cleef & Arpels is a very different thing than David Yurman. Whether or not you fit into the group can be determined by how versed one is in this language of fashion & style. Same is true for men. Loro Piana suiting is elite, Hugo Boss from Dillards is not.

That doesn't mean you can't look nice in whatever. But there is a language of style that can matter a great deal in certain circles. In England a lady is not getting into the Royal Ascot, for example, in a dress that is too short (at the knee or above). In the Catholic church brides are not permitted to wear a strapless or spaghetti strap gown. Country clubs have sctrict dress codes and the type of people who have country club memberships expect a certain level of decorum.

So I think it is foolish to be unaware of what is appropriate in certain environments. But many people are quite unaware. And people "in the know" observe who doesn't 'get it' immediately. My husband was not raised to understand these things growing up. He is bewildered by these unspoken social expectations but he observes that what I explain to him is true, and it affects whether people who don't know anything about you other than what you are wearing accept you as belonging or not. If you know the rules you're accepted and recieve the benefits of those connections. If you don't, you tend to be excluded.

I didn't make the rules. But I 'get it'.

Both of us dress in a cool rockstar type style, but it is still wise to be aware of and at times observant of social expectations. We get away with more license than some people but that's thanks to us being a very attractive couple who have an avant garde vibe.

 

[member162951]

Having said that I do not need external validation from anyone, I know what styles are most flattering on me and I understand what it means to have allure while maintaining good taste.

I know, I reconsidered what I posted and modified my post deleting that paragraph. Apologies.

Re the above quoted, I feel the same.

With respect to not really caring what others (other women) think about my style and how I dress being short sighted, I will think about it since you mentioned it.

But honestly I truly do it for ME. It's makes me feel better to be at my best and I think others can sense that, and I do care about that.

Even when home alone, I am always clean and fresh looking, I have a very understated low key style anyway, very natural looking but I still always prefer to look pretty and presentable. Even when not expecting anyone, it's an internal thing.

I dunno is that weird? Maybe it is but I've always been that way, my mother's (the former model) daughter I guess at least in that regard.

 

[BaronOfHair]

In my experience, all the women I’ve been around have no idea what beautiful women look like. Invariably they select string featured, slightly masculine or powerful women as what they think of female beauty. Either that or a very rich looking woman.

the kind of feminine, delicate beauty I like, my wife sneers at and says “there are tons of women out there like that”

Margot Robbie is one like this. I really think she’s average and she looked middle aged in Barbie. The women on Reddit were raging about that, “how can these incels criticise Margot Fkin Robbie”? Yeah, she’s not all that and never was. She has that Hollywood face,just kind of bland and boring.

plus her mouth looks kind of too big for her face, I notice this a lot in terms of American beauty, the US pin ups seem to have a very pronounced teethy smile

They're highly cognizant of what beautiful women look like. And most chicks want to tussle in the sheets with these gals also

 

[member162951]

Take handbags for example. Women who carry Hermes Kelly bags or Hermes Birkin bags move in a very different social strata than women who carry Michael Kors or Coach bags. The first group is far more socially elite. Women who carry Vuitton bags or Gucci fall in between. Same is true for jewelry. Van Cleef & Arpels is a very different thing than David Yurman. Whether or not you fit into the group can be determined by how versed one is in this language of fashion & style. Same is true for men. Loro Piana suiting is elite, Hugo Boss from Dillards is not.

That doesn't mean you can't look nice in whatever. But there is a language of style that can matter a great deal in certain circles. In England a lady is not getting into the Royal Ascot, for example, in a dress that is too short (at the knee or above). In the Catholic church brides are not permitted to wear a strapless or spaghetti strap gown. Country clubs have sctrict dress codes and the type of people who have country club memberships expect a certain level of decorum.

So I think it is foolish to be unaware of what is appropriate in certain environments.

@BeExcellent re all of this^^, I was raised upper middle class in suburban Westchester, my family belonged to a prestigious yacht club, my dad taught me to sail and race our boat in competition, my parents gave extravagant parties where I basically served as a "prop" for my extremely status conscious mom to show off to her equally status conscious friends, I attended the best schools, I wore the best clothes, etc etc etc.

So YES I am quite aware of the various social classes and what is "appropriate" in certain environments. This is not a knock against either of us because we each bring our own style and value to the table, but I choose to not live my life that way. I don't care whether my handbag is Hermes Kelly, Hermes Birkin or Michael Kors or Coach. Or whether my shoes are Gucci or whomever.

This drove my status conscious mom absolutely bonkers and perhaps I was a bit of a rebel against it, but I chose to take after my dad who immigrated to the U.S. from Lithuania, was raised poor with very little to even eat sometimes, but worked his ass off in school, received a fully-funded scholarship to Columbia University and then NYU Law School and became a very successful attorney, married my mom, moved to a high end neighborhood in Westchester County and raised six kids.

Unlike my mom, he couldn't give a rat's rear end about social class or "status" or designer anything, but he played the part for my mom, until he couldn't anymore and married a beautiful woman on his same wavelength in that regard who became the love of his life.

He was also a true humanitarian, despite his extremely busy professional schedule, he was a member of various organizations serving the under-privileged and he instilled those values in us as well. Helping others not as fortunate as we were.

In truth, I have adopted my dad's values, working hard to achieve your goals despite the obstacles and who "rebel" (for lack of a better word) against status and what society deems "appropriate" and I look for those same qualities and values in the men I date and have relationships with.

As such I moved away from that area to southern California where yes there are people who are extremely status conscious and value the social classes but also those who are not as much, it's much more diverse than where I grew up. This suits me and my style much better.

Also and you (and some men here) may find it odd, but the man who picks me up in his expensive high end BMW or Mercedes Benz wearing his designer suit and attempting to dazzle me by taking me to the best most expensive restaurant on the beach in La Jolla or Del Mar, actually turns me OFF.

100% truth and I have done it!! Much to their dismay.

I much prefer he pick me up in a jeep and take me to a low key pub with great vibe, great music and good eats. Let's share some apps, talk, get to know each other, and connect. On a deeper level than what designer outfit we're wearing or the type of cars we each drive. No thanks.

So yeah to each her own, right? Again, no wrong or right, every woman has her own style, things she values more than others, things about her that men value more than others.

What's important is that we choose people who match what WE ourselves value who are on our same vibrational wave length.

$.02.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

I agree @pipeman84 I always keep my fingernails AND toenails well manicured and polished, I am almost obsessed about it, lol.

And men (even strangers on the street!) have noticed and commented (complimented), especially my toes after just getting a pedicure. Guys, it's a great way to cold approach a girl too, I've had many men do it..

Course here in SoCal, we're always wearing toeless and strapless sandals so keeping toes manicured and polished is almost a necessity!

It makes a difference and again men definitely DO notice how pretty my toes (and nails) look even when they're not intentionally hitting on me.

I definately DO notice that. I wouldnt go as far as to say i have a foot - fetish but cute feet with colored nails are an eyecatcher and definately a sign that a woman makes an effort to take care of herself.