Women as cvm dumpsters

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http://www.sosuave.net/forum/index.php?threads/120-day-sexual-healing-experiment.231859/
A post on condom use in AF's journal morphed into sharings about women as cvm dumpsters. It feels important to repost it here and open up the topic for all to join. AF has given the green light. I personally feel deeply vulnerable in doing so. What AF shared was powerful. It's impact on me is beyond words, at the moment. That's ok. There is no judgement in any of it, for me. My intent is to deeply understand men's truth. AF offered a ton here!! It's a long read for those inclined. The topic is wide open for all to share. Please do.
 

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I don't know whether I should be happy that there are women who think like this, or dismayed that I've never heard of any except for you now.
I don't know what to say. It's so unfortunate that men and woman experience such a chasm between one another. I hope one day, sooner than later, you meet a wonderful woman, or women throughout your life, that support the greatest expression of yourself and bring joy, love, happiness, laughter and amazing sex to your life.

I am trying to navigate my desires and being realistic as well. I am trying to understand how to find a man with whom I deeply connect with, share values, am a better person for knowing, and we laugh lots and have fun, and time together is easy and free flowing, without big drama or expectations, and (if that isn't a tall order already) where we are sexually compatible in our in our level of desire and hopefully experience amazing sex together. The cherry on top would be a man that can also hold the space for my absolute surrender.

I feel like I am not suppose to want all of that. I am not looking to marry. I am looking to be monogamous and commited. I have no idea how to cross paths with such a man, when I read the level of deception played to simply use a woman as a cvm dumpster. I love sex but that does not mean I feel comfortable offering my pvssy as a cvm dumpster because that is the new standard or expectation in getting to know the opposite sex. I know I am generalizing and that sounds harsh. Bear with me...please.

Sex is way more personal and intimate for me than to have with someone I've spent a few hours or days with. I get others are good with that. It doesn't work for me. I am at the other end of the spectrum from being a prude. I have been selective with whom I have had sex with. It's a new market and culture now. It seems that is not acceptable these days (or in this forum) or you're next-ed as not worth a man's time if you are not willing to fVck on the first, second or even third date.

Is it really expected that I am to so quickly and freely and non-chalantly open my pvssy to men that I essentially don't even know yet? I am all for sexual satisfaction. I don't relate to how allowing a man to penetrate and be inside of me, is treated as so meaningless and insignificant. I get that I have different standards and sensitivities. I don't want to be a some random man's masterbatory device as a prerequisite to going out a few times. I am ranting. I am sorry. Let me wrap this up. There is the other side too. I don't want to get so involved in getting to know a man only to realize that we don't connect or match well sexually.

I guess what I want to say is that as much as it feels like you are looking for a needle in a haystack, so do I. I get that is a HUGE generalization. I am just sharing that I also feel frustrated and not sure how to find that needle in a haystack. For me, how do I do that without having to offer my pvssy up for random sampling. That's still not my nature. I am here wondering what else might be possible. I'm also not actively looking to partner yet. My focus right now, is coming into an even greater place of wholeness and balance within myself and my life, healing, and upping my own SMV. I have no interest in carrying unfinished business forward into a new relationship. I'm attending to that before I open up and really put myself out there again. That became a whole lot more shared than I expected. Hang in there. If you (or anyone else) have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
 

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Okay, let me explain this from my male point of view.

The reasons why this cvm dumpster deception exists stems from the reason why men don't want to commit to loose women, if they can choose. That reason can be explained through primal biology, but to keep this from being even longer, it's a gut feeling. It's an instinct. There is nothing that "teaches" men to feel that way and no "teaching" will make it go away, although there are ways to deal with it. That clear? all right. The problem for men is that we cannot know a woman's past behaviour and we cannot know whether she is lying about her past behaviour, while at the same time we need to know, so that we are not "tricked" by a woman. Women know that we are trying to avoid making a bad deal/being cheated/tricked, so they perfect the art of lying to men and many women will rationalize their own lies to avoid cognitive dissonance (ie. a bad conscience). They do this in a variety of ways. They can say that men "should" feel the way she (the feminine imperative) wants him to, they can say it's "better for him", whatever will justify her deception. Men today are I think slowly, increasingly aware that what women present themselves as to you will depend on what she wants from you, and what she can get from you.

This is not a problem if you can rely on her being "innocent", by which is meant that she has not already given herself willingly to another man. Most men however are fine with her doing so because we 1) understand that women want to have sex too and that it's fun, we actually don't want to oppress women unlike what feminism says, and 2) if she still has her highest emotion (read Desdinova's high score theory) available to us, then the best of her is still effectively unspoilt. The problem today however is that women have been let loose completely, and give themselves out like wh0res. Maybe not to you, but we know that at least some guys had enough looks, money, status, and/or good game for her to be no better than a wh0re with him. She makes it easy and compromises her integrity, her character, for the guys she really wants. We don't want to be the one pretending to have something "special" with a woman like that. We feel like suckers. But we know that women do what they can to try to present themselves and lie to us as if they "are not like that", even though we know that they are. It can also actually be in her interest to reinforce that other women ARE like that because it makes her seem more unique and desirable if we buy her lie. This makes us not only reluctant to commit to and invest emotionally in them, but also reluctant to trust them at all.

When you combine this with the steady diet of lies men have grown up on, men can turn resentful. We are made to believe a lot of things about women and gender relations that are lies. Men invest themselves in the blue pill, and then find out that the ideals and beliefs they stood up for were deliberate falsehoods. Most men would not have a problem taking a genuine, honest, loyal woman who has had sexual experience with men she held up to the same standard as you, and this is what blue pill men believe women are and do, but we know they are not and don't.

In the end, it shifts men's approach. Now we arrive at the answer you are seeking. Instead of presuming innocence until proven guilt, we presume guilt until proven innocence. The catch of course being that we both have no way to prove their "innocence" and that we know they both want us to believe they are "innocent" and do what they can to trick us into thinking they are (I put citation marks because I mean in terms of the metaphor, not in terms of virginity which as I said before most men don't require, and indeed in the red pill we have debunked the idea that just because a woman is a virgin she is not or could not turn into the way other women are. We wouldn't trade honesty, loyalty and integrity for virginity and we can live with not having the latter, especially if we like the other woman more). If she has fvcked on the first date before, why should I respect that she's "not that kind of girl"? If she had a drunk ONS before, why should I take her seriously now? If she felt so strongly for someone before that she wanted to fvck him immediately despite claiming shes "not that kind of girl", how comes she doesn't feel that with me? If she's "not looking for a hook up", why does she have pictures that are basically strip teases? If she used to be a party girl but wants something serious now, why should I be the guy who can't fvck her like she let the other guys do "for fun", but have to pretend that this is "genuine" and "special"? and so on.

We have a (unfortunately very well-justified today, which is why we think about it so much) paranoia that we are making ourself into the fool. Like I said before though men can deal with this, and there are basically three ways they do: They are blue pill and deny their own gut feeling, or that "their girl is like that". They are red pill and try to find a needle in a haystack, and risk that it is actually not a needle but a well-camouflaged hay. Or they are red pill and to various degrees don't invest emotionally in women. Women themselves create and support this environment (contrary to what women believe or perhaps rather want to pass it off as, that it's mens' fault - which it of course is, if you have the perspective that feminism was a sh!t test that men have utterly failed). Another thing is the "notch count", which is a status competition among men (we know that fvcking a lot of women = women apparently desire you because you get them) and women (women respect and desire men who other women want and men who have status, this is what causes it to be the mentioned status competition among males) and a way to mitigate ending up with a promiscuous woman as we can then have greater "accomplishment", thus feeling like less of a sucker. Most men actually don't want it to be this way but we are forced to accept it because women have made it so.

What can you do? Understand his perspective. Then actively bring up and communicate with him about his perspective, let him talk. Then be honest to him about whatever he wants to know. That's option one. Option two is you can do like most women and lie in whatever way feels most comfortable to you that so you maximize the odds of getting your needs met.



Hope I helped.
 
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The impact of your response, for me, has been massive beyond words!! I have been flooded with emotion on and off for the last 24 hours. I am still trying to understand it myself. When I sit to respond either no words will come or I am unable to find words to accurately share my experience. I am closer. Please know I am appreciative. Accurate words will come, I just cannot seem to access them yet. Please be patient with me.
I wrote that on Monday. It's as true now as it was then. It's ok. Emotions will move through. I am learning and I am growing. I am grateful for the depth of sharing. I am grateful for the opportunity to more deeply understand men's truth.


AF gave me a green light to share his post here, for further discussion
by all. Please feel free. Topic is wide open for all.
 
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Paranoïa, denial of the value of the traitor and it's gender/race/origin/kind, the treason of self, revenge and cynism are all children of betrayal. The hardest path to take is to evolve so that one can also choose to either become the traitor and/or to forgive not necessarily the betrayer but at least the event.

It's a choice.

You can find as many excuses as you want, and lie to others and yourself, to justify behaviors that you yourself have an aversion for and to try to convince others that your way of thinking is good and the other is bad, or black and white, or Red and Blue, or Alpha and Beta, or nice and wh0re.

But at the end of the day, only you know who you are and what you want to be and you are not forced to do anything. Question your own dignity and courage and make a choice because on the day of judgment, looking back at your life, you will be your own judge.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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To be super clear, I did not post this to in any way to become a judgement of what AF wrote. I don't judge what he shared. I am grateful for it. It's his perspective and I honor that. I thank him for sharing it with me and all of us. It opened my eyes radically. I had no idea that was a man's experience. None. It blew me away, to put it mildly. I am not saying that as a complaint. I am saying that to relate how impactful his sharing has been to me. I always appreciate people's willingness to share their truth. It serves us all. That's how I feel about AF's sharing.

I am posting in curiosity to learn more. I am not looking to single out AF. I have no againstness in any of this. I am not here to judge men. I am here to understand men more deeply. What ever you can offer would be great.

I thought some men here may be sparked to converse with AF or other men about what AF wrote. That's why it is posted here, as well. I thought what he wrote was powerful and would inspire further conversation.
 

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Egos and a lack of desire to sacrifice part of oneself life to build a better but more fragile thing such as marriage. We are nice guys, get cheated on or walked over, so we get bitter and become jerks. Then you start using women that started their walk on the sexual marketplace as not-so-worish (really, I don't think you can find NICE girls, due to how society educate them, so I'm refering to not-so-corrupted women) as cumdumpsters, so they get bitter and become total *****s, then they use men. It's a pendulum that works through cicles, if you know what I mean, if not I can explain this.

So what happens when a sincere woman such as yourself (or at least I get the impression) wants to commit and understand a REAL man? And, of course, you want a DonJuan, you don't want an AFC. Said DonJuan will just not believe you, because he really CAN'T trust women anymore, and I think a lot would like to be able to do so, but it's just not possible anymore. Because you've been walked over many times, or because you've been on the other side of a cheating-***** and know how they don't even bat an eye. So yeah, it's a ****ed up situation. Can it be solved? Sure, but chances are very low because all odds against such man, to open himself and consider commiting to any woman is an ENORMOUS effort and sacrifice on his part.

And anyhow, why would he want to commit? Only for the "safe-space" that such a commited relationship could provide, but sharing vulnerabilities and frustations without signaling neediness and low strength it's almost impossible if you don't have HYPER-strong inner-game, almost on a awakened level with really no-ego.
 

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We are nice guys, get cheated on or walked over, so we get bitter and become jerks.
I think this is how most guys come to the red pill. But in my case it was a result of trying to learn how to get girls. Eventually I learned about the red pill and laid off the PUA stuff I'd been reading around my mid-teens which if anything misdirected me, but at least got me to approach and talk to girls. I spent years squandering countless opportunities because I didn't know what I was doing in combination with having messed up ideas of gender relations and a fragile ego due to inexperience so I was terrified of messing up. It was only in 2014 that I started gathering some steam, the same year I joined this forum. If there's anything I could be "bitter" and a "jerk" for today it's that I didn't learn all of this stuff when I was 14, not 20+. And now for the conclusion... what unites guys like me with the first category of guys in that regard, is that we had either none or harmful guidance. We had to learn the hard way, stumbling around in a dark labyrinth with no one who were helping us and no one who cared. Which is partly caused by feminism since it both drives men from their kids' lives and makes the fathers who aren't divorced by their wives weak and castrated, while actively turning young men who don't know better into blue pills through propaganda, thus leaving young men like myself without the guidance they need.

Another thing that makes me "bitter" is the arrogance women can have because of their social and biological privileges coupled with casual ignorance of having them, and mocking & taking offense to the suggestion that they would have them. Just like a spoiled, self-absorbed, poorly raised child. The reason why this is bothersome is because you are forced to deal with them anyway, unless you are gay. For example, if you're a man, no one cares that you take care of your body. But if you're a woman, you can make an instagram and just post a bunch of selfies and gym shots and get a passive stream of validation and "approaches". If I go on an OLD site and make a profile I will still get absolutely creamed by the results that a short, out of shape, chain smoking, alcoholic, unambitious, dull, dumb and whatever else woman gets simply because she has a pvssy. If I translated my traits into a woman's and did the barest minimum to put myself out there I would be getting offered so much c0ck it's doubtful that I would be able to svck them all even if I wanted to. If I was a woman, I would never have to even think of stuff like getting over approach anxiety, learning how to be a good conversationalist, being charismatic, making a good career, learning game while un-learning the BS I grew up on, how much social proof I have, if I have skills like dancing, what my habits are, whether I take care of myself. But this is the way of life and there is no point in fighting it because you cannot change it.
 
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I think this is how most guys come to the red pill. But in my case it was a result of trying to learn how to get girls. Eventually I learned about the red pill and laid off the PUA stuff I'd been reading around my mid-teens which if anything misdirected me, but at least got me to approach and talk to girls. I spent years squandering countless opportunities because I didn't know what I was doing in combination with having messed up ideas of gender relations and a fragile ego due to inexperience so I was terrified of messing up. It was only in 2014 that I started gathering some steam, the same year I joined this forum. If there's anything I could be "bitter" and a "jerk" for today it's that I didn't learn all of this stuff when I was 14, not 20+. And now for the conclusion... what unites guys like me with the first category of guys in that regard, is that we had either none or harmful guidance. We had to learn the hard way, stumbling around in a dark labyrinth with no one who were helping us and no one who cared. Which is partly caused by feminism since it both drives men from their kids' lives and makes the fathers who aren't divorced by their wives weak and castrated, while actively turning young men who don't know better into blue pills through propaganda, thus leaving young men like myself without the guidance they need.

Another thing that makes me "bitter" is the arrogance women can have because of their social and biological privileges coupled with casual ignorance of having them, and mocking & taking offense to the suggestion that they would have them. Just like a spoiled, self-absorbed, poorly raised child. The reason why this is bothersome is because you are forced to deal with them anyway, unless you are gay.

You are so right about this.

Society has stacked the deck against men so bad, that you'd be a fool to put your trust in one woman.

Women have a hard time understanding this because they are so solipsistic.

So to add to the whole "woman as *** dumpsters conversation," I truly feel it's man's biological imperative to want unprotected sex. And women as well. It leaves the woman seeded and she wants that. They may not even be able to acknowledge it, but they get subconscious satisfaction from being left dripping. Sure, a woman may want a guy to use a condom, but her conscious thought will always be at odds with her subconscious desires. I think the advent of male birth control will change everything.
 

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I can definitely cosign @AttackFormation's sentiments. But we're both young guys--any choices we make regarding women have massive consequences on the direction of our lives. And, with the internet, we don't have the luxury of illusion. We've had more exposure to the effects (and causes) of female nature than 99.999% of men who ever lived. There is no more 'feminine mystique.'

@LiveYourDream You're 45--for all intents and purposes, your participation in the SMP is no longer biologically-driven (that part of your nature has already been taken care of). Thus, you're able to approach the situation with a greater deal of rational-thought and detachment than you probably would've been capable of 2 decades ago. This isn't a knock; it's simply reality. However, I don't think the men in your demographic are nearly as jaded; I think if you're on the market for genuine companionship & connection you'll still find that available (though I think if you were 45 in 20-or-so years you'd have a much tougher go of it).

That said, at your age you were probably also privy to a greater degree of social conditioning to reinforce positive female behavior; there's a good chance that even in your biological prime you weren't as duplicitous as women our age are. And to make matters worse, women keep a record of their duplicity for all to see--any girl I get involved with, I can spend a couple hours on her social media accounts and see exactly who she was--how she acted and what she thought--at various points in her life and can spot any disparity between her sexual strategies then and her sexual strategies with me. I can go on FB and see girls who were straight up wh0res, not even worth risking a pump-and-dump for me, playing wifey for some unsuspecting dude, who (I'm sure) thinks he won out.

It's a renter's market. The price of pvssy (on a meta level) has never been cheaper; the price of "exclusive" access (LOL!) to a single pvssy has never been more expensive. Men, above everything, are pragmatic. Personally, I think it sucks--I don't really get off on constant variety. I prefer top-shelf, which is damn rare, and when I find it I'll take that, for as long as she doesn't attempt to manipulate me, over plating a couple more 6's and 7's every time. But even fine china is replaceable--and it's cheaper to buy new than it is to repair. Where I depart from AttackFormation is I'm a bit of a romantic--I love emotional investment and Oneitis and constructing a 'love story' narrative. I'll even indulge those feelings from time to time, but only because I know it's not real; I'm confident about my ability to act rationally through all of those irrational emotions, and I'm always ready to walk away (think the difference between responsibly enjoying a good drunk and becoming a dysfunctional alcoholic). But that's (admittedly) playing with fire.
 
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When we say that pvssy on a meta level has never been cheaper, let us remember that pvssy is always more expensive than d!ck. It's simply a more valuable commodity. So even "cheap" pvssy is like comparing a "cheap" luxury car to a "cheap" piece of sh!t. And it's only cheap if you have the right discount code (if you're the "type" she likes/is out after, if you have social proof with her, etc.). I recall that although people today have sex with more partners, they have significantly less sex overall than past generations. The people who were young in the latter half of the 20th century, before electronic hookup culture, both outfvcked us and distributed sex more evenly. I don't necessarily think the way things used to be was perfect, or that everything today is bad, but it's true that today we have regressed closer to a more base, animal kind of mating pattern like fish or birds. The problem with this is that although humans are not only rational, they are not only animals either, and both civilization and individual well-being will suffer as a result.



Unrelated, but something that came up in my head now and which I'll use this thread to vent about, is the de-sensitisation women experience when it comes to men. They get so much validation, so many guys trying to lay game on them so she wants to fvck him over the other guys, that their brain shifts the "signal to noise" ratio of men more toward noise. An example of this is in that thread here that I don't remember the name of, where guys are discussing Bumble. Some guys brought up examples of how womens' openers were exactly the kind of texts that we would describe as lazy/bad game. But to a woman it's not, because her brain is so addled with validation and game-laying that like a drug addict it raises the bar to experience "feeling" when it comes to men, and shifts anything that isn't above this bar into just being noise - which is what the men she's sending those openers to are. Men become "dehumanised" to her brain. That's why guys get advised to not use OLD or at least not rely on it, because the womens' signal to noise ratio there is the worst possible. I didn't explain all the details there are but I think you guys understand what I mean.
 
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When we say that pvssy on a meta level has never been cheaper, let us remember that pvssy is always more expensive than d!ck. It's simply a more valuable commodity. So even "cheap" pvssy is like comparing a "cheap" luxury car to a "cheap" piece of sh!t. And it's only cheap if you have the right discount code (if you're the "type" she likes/is out after, if you have social proof with her, etc.).
That's true. 80/20, Alpha/Beta, Cads/Dads--however you want to make that distinction, pvssy is cheaper than it's ever been for preferred buyers, more expensive than it's ever been on the general market. Took that for granted.

I don't necessarily think the way things used to be was perfect, or that everything today is bad, but it's true that today we have regressed closer to a more base, animal kind of mating pattern like fish or birds. The problem with this is that although humans are not only rational, they are not only animals either, and both civilization and individual well-being will suffer as a result.
It used to be that fathers/patriarchal society would regulate the market price--and as much as someone like me would be screwed in that type of market, it was probably better for the stability of civilization and probably greater for the happiness of everyone involved. Women, as they've proven over the last half century, just don't have the capacity to make the choices in mates that contribute to the stability of society (not that young men do, either, especially when all the lovey-dovey sex chemicals are activated). That type of mating worked when people only lived to be 25 and love only needed to last long enough for the child to be old enough to walk before their well-being was taken over by the tribe.

Men become "dehumanised" to her brain.
Definitely this. You're only human to her to the extent that she views you as higher value than herself. As much as women complain about men objectifying women, women definitely objectify the vast majority of men--they don't even register accept as a utility. Again referencing Desdinova's High Score Theory, the older they get the harder it is to even register on her emotional scoreboard, until, of course, she reaches The Wall, her options diminish, and her priorities shift--the Alpha who gets away at 30 probably has the potential to override the emotional implications of the Alpha who got away at 17. Between the ages of 18-27, even if you qualify for intimacy, it's tremendously difficult to make any major emotional impact unless she's majorly inexperienced for one reason or another.
 

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I wonder if the 80/20 rule is not actually too generous. Is really every 1 in five men you see around you macking it up with all the girls? I have my doubts.
 

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@fastlife "But even fine china is replaceable--and it's cheaper to buy new than it is to repair."

Fantastic quote! I know the thread goes deeper than that but there are gems everywhere if you take heed and read!
 

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I'm sorry, I know this is harsh, but this is a male website that focuses primarily on how to seduce women for dating purposes. What in the living hell would a woman get out of this website?

- LiveYourDream, why are you here? What is your purpose? What are you getting out of this website? I've asked you this before and you skipped over it.

- Post a picture with a sign that says, "LiveYourDream 2/24/2016". You can use something like photobucket and post it through there so it doesn't show up in search engines. After a couple of days, you can take the picture down if you want to remain hidden.

I want to know firstly that you ARE a woman and then two, what are you here for? Your posts remind me of Joel Osteen or the New Thought Movement's "positive faith", touchy feely stuff. Listen, it's OKAY if that's what you want to post, I just do not agree with that shyt as you know because it doesn't take into account market and other physical conditions.

I can use positive affirmations all day long about how I'm going to be an NBA player one day, really believe it (law of attraction) and allow those universal "energies" to bring me to being an NBA player. The fvcking REALITY is that I'm 5'9, 32 years old, can't dripple a basketball and have no basketball playing skills what-so-ever.

But the positive faith bullshyt says that if I just believe it, it will come, without taking into regard market and physical conditions. It's fvcking stupid.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Hypergamy with a justice system as its shield. Men are left with only the need to fvck.
 

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Women are in fact *** dumpsters.

I didn't even realize liveyour dream was a woman until now. No wonder I often find myself annoyed by the posts beside her screen name.

Women are *** dumpsters because they are in fact literally incapable of unconditional love. So bang as many of them as you can and only marry a virgin.....those are the only ones who I've ever encountered that I would consider marrying.

Live your dream says she's not interested in marriage just active monogany including amazing sex with the right guy.

She's basically saying she wants to be a *** dumpster with nothing concrete such as marriage attached, but a picky *** dumpster... yet doesn't like the notion of being thought of as one.

Do you see the contradictions going on here?

Real women remain virgins until marriage.....anything else, are just walking talking *** dumpsters.

The truth might be unpleasant OP. Deal with it.
 
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Women are in fact *** dumpsters.

I didn't even realize liveyour dream was a woman until now. No wonder I often find myself annoyed by the posts beside her screen name.

Women are *** dumpsters because they are in fact literally incapable of unconditional love. So bang as many of them as you can and only marry a virgin.....those are the only ones who I've ever encountered that I would consider marrying.

Live your dream says she's not interested in marriage just active monogany including amazing sex with the right guy.

She's basically saying she wants to be a *** dumpster with nothing concrete such as marriage attached, but a picky *** dumpster... yet doesn't like the notion of being thought of as one.

Do you see the contradictions going on here?

Real women remain virgins until marriage.....anything else, are just walking talking *** dumpsters.

The truth might be unpleasant OP. Deal with it.
Ok. Now we all have to understand, how difficult, almost IMPOSSIBLE is to a woman to actually act by herself and get out of social conditioning. They are 98% social beings, so it's almost impossible for a woman of our age to remain a virgin with traditional values. I'm not saying that I'll be a white-knight, far from it, but we should at least give them the benefit of the doubt and not go around using them as ***-dumpsters just because. I'm all for doing it to those that really act like that, but just give a error-margin before being a huge jerk. And I'm not saying before being a DonJuan and being kind of jerk, I'm talking about being a heartless human being that can't understand how difficult is for people to overcome their biological wiring. Just think about how you would not **** a fat ugly girl, that's your biological wiring acting!.
 

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Ok. Now we all have to understand, how difficult, almost IMPOSSIBLE is to a woman to actually act by herself and get out of social conditioning. They are 98% social beings, so it's almost impossible for a woman of our age to remain a virgin with traditional values. I'm not saying that I'll be a white-knight, far from it, but we should at least give them the benefit of the doubt and not go around using them as ***-dumpsters just because. I'm all for doing it to those that really act like that, but just give a error-margin before being a huge jerk. And I'm not saying before being a DonJuan and being kind of jerk, I'm talking about being a heartless human being that can't understand how difficult is for people to overcome their biological wiring. Just think about how you would not **** a fat ugly girl, that's your biological wiring acting!.

Then you have to learn the hard way...once a woman has been with one man, her ability to bond with a new mate goes down...
And much more down the more guys she's banged after that.

Hence, incapable of unconditional love.

It's no coincidence, a woman's first love is always her strongest. After that they all become confused and jaded. They are tainted and there's no turning back for them.

They are biologically programmed to mate with one male their entire lives while we are programmed the opposite.... There are studies that strongly support this.

In other words...after she's banged one guy...shes going to have baggage after that with each new one and be incapable of what only a virgin can offer in a relationship.

Walking talking *** dumpsters blaming their emotional/mental problems mostly caused by their inability to abstain until marriage onto men.

I know most people on here aren't religious...but if you find a very attractive girl who has fairly strong religious beliefs but at the same time isnt one of those fake judgemental self professed christain types and who does hold off until marriage you should notice quite the difference.
 
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Then you have to learn the hard way...once a woman has been with one man, her ability to bond with a new mate goes down...
And much more down the more guys she's banged after that.

Hence, incapable of unconditional love.

It's no coincidence, a woman's first love is always her strongest. After that they all become confused and jaded. They are tainted and there's no turning back for them.

They are biologically programmed to mate with one male their entire lives while we are programmed the opposite.... There are studies that strongly support this.
LOL! So you're arguing that women, today, are acting more in opposition to their biological nature? Bro, you have that virgin pvssy way, way, way on the pedestal (with Blue Pill thrown in). A virgin is capable of the same degree of manipulation, hypergamy, and apparent heartlessness as the girl with 100 notches--not even a virgin will love you unconditionally. You think any given male was likely to survive the entire residual fertility of a given woman? Pair bonds, dopamine, etc. have a lifespan of 2-4 years, enough to get the baby weaned.

If daddy dies, onto the next (and he's lined up already); 'slvtty' women are the reason we're here. It's true your best shot at a lasting marriage is with a virgin, but that probably has more to do in the amount of conditioning and social pressure a girl would be subject to to make it to marriage-age with her virginity intact.

In other words...after she's banged one guy...shes going to have baggage after that with each new one and be incapable of what only a virgin can offer in a relationship.

Walking talking *** dumpsters blaming their emotional/mental problems mostly caused by their inability to abstain until marriage onto men.
Not necessarily. Most girls I've met caught up on exes weren't caught up on the ex they lost their virginity to. Some can go through several partners without any of those partners having made enough of a residual emotional impact to really diminish her ability to give herself to the guy who does.

Definitely something to screen for; either way I wouldn't date a girl above the age of 21 (and even by then, some of them are Alpha Widows and best avoided).

I know most people on here aren't religious...but if you find a very attractive girl who has fairly strong religious beliefs but at the same time isnt one of those fake judgemental self professed christain types and who does hold off until marriage you should notice quite the difference.
Like I said, doesn't mean she won't manipulate you to hell and back (with the added emotional leverage of, 'you took my virginity'). My sister saved herself for marriage; I love my sister; I wouldn't want to be her husband LOL. If any girl treated me the way she treats him, I would've had to next her several years ago.

You're still unicorn hunting. AWALT. In a society that doesn't restrict female sexuality, All women will always be like that, hymen or no. If you're still holding out on love from a woman, you're doing it wrong. Submission and respect are the best you can hope for.
 

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