Women, according to potato

[Phyzzle]

I don't really want to post these days, but after reading some of Potato's previous posts I have come to the conclusion that he is incredibly observant, honest, and extremely perceptive in his ways with women.

He's trying to do you all a favour by giving, what appears to me, extremely wise words that only a mature man can give. He has nothing to prove to anyone and has generously shared his experiences.

I know you like a good crusade against all things related to the seduction community, but you ought to read a little more of his previous posts.

It's one thing to be weird or arrogant, but it's another to be both weird and arrogant. When you give advice like "don't hit on women, don't ask for their number, and don't call them," you need to back it up with more than some bizarre story that doesn't really make sense.

People are bound to jeer.

 

[STR8UP]

he's not weird or arrogant, he just telling you the sober truth if you bother to read carefully.

Kind of reminds me of that John1283923whatever that iqqi and all of the other trolls loved to always side with.

They come on here and stir up sh!t with ambiguous claims that you have to "read carefully" to understand.

Law #27 of the 48 Laws of Power states that you should "Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking."

I see a lot of vague enthusiasm and very little rationality.

 

[decades]

I don't really want to post these days, but after reading some of Potato's previous posts I have come to the conclusion that he is incredibly observant, honest, and extremely perceptive in his ways with women.

He's trying to do you all a favour by giving, what appears to me, extremely wise words that only a mature man can give. He has nothing to prove to anyone and has generously shared his experiences.

I would put him in line with Deep Dish if Deep Dish had his years of experience.

There are many things here in this thread that I always felt were so about females that I haven't been able to put into words as eloquently as Potato has.

And what do most of you do? Insult him!!! Call him a "lesbian", or "gay" etc. . . . or, God forbid, "arrogant".

All you fools want is easy answers. You live in the "instant gratification" society. Your thought processes only go as far as simple one sentence concepts - no wonder you are not capable of rational thought, nor for that matter seeing beyond things. You talk of women as "hot", and think that using "game" is sufficient to get her interested - never for a moment thinking about the background and/or context of the situation. Your laziness stems from not bothering to think, to ask genuine questions once in your life. And that's why you are prone to scammers like Strauss, De Angelo, etc . . . . because they tell you what you WANT to hear - not what you NEED to hear.

The PUA community (bunch of jokers really), Strauss's book "The Game", De Angelo's courses, Doc Love's columns, various course and seminars organised by totally messed up idiots, would never see the light of day without the money pumped into them provided by YOUR money. Is it any wonder that it's in the interested of those who run them that they continually perpetuate the myths anyway?

thank you, Aunt Mable.

 

[Phyzzle]

he's not weird or arrogant, he just telling you the sober truth if you bother to read carefully.

The truth he is telling is generally stuff we agree with. "Become the type of man women are attracted to." "Don't rely of canned routines, just be an interesting conversationalist." He presents this Book of Pook stuff as revelations for the clueless folks here, because he read some of the ads on this page and assumed we were into all that PUA stuff. (How many threads here actually mention canned routines?) Other than that, he'll say that it's better to become a woman's friend first, because women are attracted to their friends.

That's the arrogant part. The weird part is when he proves his points by telling stories about meeting women. He'll generally be getting out of his car, and a woman who's been standing in the parking lot (staring into space?) walks up and introduces herself. Sometimes, she'll start by draping her arms around him. Okay. Little weird there.

There was a flame war with some guru who recommended wearing devil horns to a night club (I didn't particularly like that guru). Hours later, potato comes back with "Oh yeah!? Well I just went to a club with a big crowd of women, and we saw a guy wearing devil horns. I pointed him out to all my hot female friends, asked them what they thought, and they all laughed at him. My girlfriend is sitting next to me reading these posts now, laughing at how pathetic you are." That was a weird thing to do. He goes on to say that he showed the guru's promotional videos to his myriad girlfriends and his daughter, and reported that they thought he was creepy.

I mean, he showed a video from a guy named "Johnny Sopporno" to his teenage daughter and a group of friends to score points on a forum? Strange.

By the way, darwinian, would you consider this to be a guy who clearly "gets it" when it comes to women?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105015

 

[ketostix]

STR8UP,

Because you are friend of Deep Dish, let me summarize a brief outline what I've learnt from Potato's threads so as to avoid you having to do the work that you won't do:

Well I'd like to hear Deep Dish in his own words say he agrees with you and potato.

1) he claims that all this "game" crap is not needed and is usually rooted in insecurities

OK, don't need game just be yourself. This has been refuted convincingly a million times over.

2) he debunks this "women prefer bad boys and not nice guys" business, by showing from the woman's point of view why certain "nice" guys are rejected, and why that rejection leads to a miss understanding from men's point of view that nice guys are not successful with women and "jerks" should be

Potato debunked the nice guy theory did she? Not that I've seen. It's been convincingly proven that women say they want a nice guy and describe him as being XYZ, but massive collective experience over many years has shown they usually respond to the opposite.

3) he turns the tables on this constant need of so many posters on this site for this constant need to hook up with any woman, or treat them as a piece of a$$, or needing to brag about how many women they've had

Does she? This is very important you know because us men need to shun are male traits and be more like women .

4) he debunks the business of women "manipulating" men, by showing that no manipulation actually is required, hence no requirement for counter manipulation. This in turns debunks all those posters who seem to have scorn for women per se, calling them wh0res, b!tches, sl!ts, can't be trusted etc. . . as if women have it in for them

Wow potato has debunked the millions of stories and examples of women manipulating! All these men who thought they were manipulated all the way through dating to marriage and divorce were just using faulty perception! These men just need to come around to the feminist reality, silly men.

and a few other points that only very mature men successful with women can show/tell you. And yet you all call him a troll?

I've never seen a man successful with women mature or not who went about it potato's way. Most mature men who are successful with women would be considered alpha and even chauvanistic by today's standards.

Deep Dish's "Women are Simple" is a tour de force. His "Book of Women" thread was also stunning. Potato extends some of it and adds more refined insights. Can't you see that?

So Deep Dish is in potato's camp? Or is it maybe you interpret things the way you want to see them?

 

[Jeffst1980]

My 2 cents:

"Just be yourself" is not effective advice because it goes against the whole self-improvement philosophy of this site.

Lots of posters seek out and find this site after YEARS of "being themselves" to no avail, and fall into the trap of believing that they are "cursed" with an inability to attract girls.

Most of these guys are not experiencing success BECAUSE they are "being themselves"--approval-seeking, outcome dependent, and unable to assert themselves.

Women DO have a "type"--just ONE type--as that is what we refer to here as a Don Juan. Having interests or personality traits in common with a woman may grant you opportunities to attract her, but alone does not guarantee attraction. Likewise, the ability be a DJ is exclusive from your personality, lifestyle, interests, etc. It's really about being a confident, secure man--the "BEST VERSION of yourself."

I agree with Potato that it is dangerous to suggest relying on PUA techniques alone--I think we all understand that outer game can only take you so far. But, I don't think ANY of the gurus actually advocate "ripping off" their personas, either. The point is, from their perspective, that, once you have your inner game in place, the outer game techniques will help you "seal the deal"--and, additionally, they DO work to initially diffuse the awkwardness that is, for some, inherent with a cold approach. Of course, PUA techniques are not NECESSARY...it's just flirting and social intelligence, really. The idea of measurable attributes such as "Interest Level" and "Social Value" and the strategic models (A2, C3, or whatever) seems geared towards the computer programmer/ video game dork types that often lack the proper social intelligence in pickup. This is not a bad thing.

Anyone that advocates "just be yourself" is really just giving a free pass to guys that struggle with women to accept their reality and stop trying to improve themselves. I can't agree with that. How does one even DEFINE "being yourself????" As I see it, "yourself" is taken to mean how OTHER people see you at any given moment. If an ex-computer dork starts lifting weights and dressing stylishly, he's accused of being "something that he's not." Is he really, though? Says who??

The guys that rely on PUA techniques should at least be applauded for understanding that nothing will change for them unless they change themselves.

 

[jophil28]

rejection leads to a miss understanding

"miss understanding " ?

Perhaps she is a close friend of "miss behavior ".

This sort of poor, 5th grade spelling error does not help to promote your case.

 

[Warrior74]

My 2 cents:

"Just be yourself" is not effective advice because it goes against the whole self-improvement philosophy of this site.

Lots of posters seek out and find this site after YEARS of "being themselves" to no avail, and fall into the trap of believing that they are "cursed" with an inability to attract girls.

Most of these guys are not experiencing success BECAUSE they are "being themselves"--approval-seeking, outcome dependent, and unable to assert themselves.

Women DO have a "type"--just ONE type--as that is what we refer to here as a Don Juan. Having interests or personality traits in common with a woman may grant you opportunities to attract her, but alone does not guarantee attraction. Likewise, the ability be a DJ is exclusive from your personality, lifestyle, interests, etc. It's really about being a confident, secure man--the "BEST VERSION of yourself."

I agree with Potato that it is dangerous to suggest relying on PUA techniques alone--I think we all understand that outer game can only take you so far. But, I don't think ANY of the gurus actually advocate "ripping off" their personas, either. The point is, from their perspective, that, once you have your inner game in place, the outer game techniques will help you "seal the deal"--and, additionally, they DO work to initially diffuse the awkwardness that is, for some, inherent with a cold approach. Of course, PUA techniques are not NECESSARY...it's just flirting and social intelligence, really. The idea of measurable attributes such as "Interest Level" and "Social Value" and the strategic models (A2, C3, or whatever) seems geared towards the computer programmer/ video game dork types that often lack the proper social intelligence in pickup. This is not a bad thing.

Anyone that advocates "just be yourself" is really just giving a free pass to guys that struggle with women to accept their reality and stop trying to improve themselves. I can't agree with that. How does one even DEFINE "being yourself????" As I see it, "yourself" is taken to mean how OTHER people see you at any given moment. If an ex-computer dork starts lifting weights and dressing stylishly, he's accused of being "something that he's not." Is he really, though? Says who??

The guys that rely on PUA techniques should at least be applauded for understanding that nothing will change for them unless they change themselves.

great post. You are what you do.

 

[romangod]

I'm stilll waiting for a discussion on "Potatoes according to Women".



Cheers!

 

[Tazman]

My 2 cents:

"Just be yourself" is not effective advice because it goes against the whole self-improvement philosophy of this site.

Lots of posters seek out and find this site after YEARS of "being themselves" to no avail, and fall into the trap of believing that they are "cursed" with an inability to attract girls.

Most of these guys are not experiencing success BECAUSE they are "being themselves"--approval-seeking, outcome dependent, and unable to assert themselves.

See I look at it a different way. Reading from this site actually made me more comfortable with "being myself". All the "--approval-seeking, outcome dependent, and unable to assert themselves." stuff came from not accepting myself and trying to be something I'm not.

I believe that's where people have it wrong. When you're actually OK with who you are and you assert yourself and your beliefs/opinions in spite of what people think you begin to realize the confidence that was there all along. With that, comes the ability to learn the error in your ways and allows you to approach life in a different manner all together.

For example, today I got into a little bit of a confrontation with a supervisor who talked to me in a condescending/belittling manner. Normally I'd get all flustered over something like that, but instead I was able to shrug it off in having full confidence in my abilities and knowing I can get a better job if it comes to that. There's a little more politics involved (long story) but I was surprised at my reaction, I was cool as a cucumber. Techniques never did anything for me, "awareness" was my key to victory.