With my GF in the club. WTF!

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if the girl says u are being jealous. how should u act?

also. isnt it better to act like u dont care? if u show too much that u care then she will use that against you.

if anyone can shed light on the frame to keep in for this situation it would help me understand
thank you
 

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vachir said:
if the girl says u are being jealous. how should u act?

also. isnt it better to act like u dont care? if u show too much that u care then she will use that against you.

if anyone can shed light on the frame to keep in for this situation it would help me understand
thank you

You always keep your normal frame in any situation (By "normal frame" I mean an attractive frame. Not an AFC one). By keeping your normal frame it shows everybody that things happening outside of your control. This is a really attractive quality to have.


If a women calls you jealous laugh at her because you find it funny. Nobody would call you jealous if you had the right frame.

You do care about the girl but its not the end of the world if she leaves you. You'll be happy either way.
 
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Guoy Darko said:
Hi guys,

To start off: everything written below is my interpretation of the situation and maybe not the complete truth. Just as how I experienced it.

Saturday night I went out with my brother, my girlfriend and a girlfriend of hers (let’s call her Mary). My brother and I were both a bit exhausted because we already went out Friday night and we hadn’t slept much.

The four of us went out for a drink first and later went out to a club. My girlfriend was wearing clothes she never wears: showing a lot of skin, weird colors she never wears (neon green :S), a lot of big fake golden bracelets she never wears. In her opinion it was "cute", in my opinion… euhm…. far from stylish and even kinda slutty. I hate to say that about her clothes, but it was just how I felt it. I didn’t say anything about it, cause she can wear whatever she wants and I do the same. (It’s really weird cause she has a pretty nice and conservative but stylish fashion sense. Never too provoking. But this one I didn’t get. It was like the black sheep of her clothes. Whenever I was lifting her up in the club, the strapless thing would come down, almost showing her bikini-bra.)

Okay, at the bar Mary was already pretty drunk and my girlfriend cannot really handle alcohol very well either. After we had the drink we went into the club, where only a few people were. I tried to get in state as quickly as possible and started dancing like a maniac even though nobody else was dancing. My girlfriend loved that and started dancing close to me and kissing me using a lot of tongue (she never does that sober, because she hates that kind of kissing). I realized that she was more drunk than I thought she was and I was still pretty much sober. Soon after me everybody started dancing.

The night went on and soon a lot of guys were dancing closer to my girlfriend and Mary and looking for contact with them. Mary also has a boyfriend by the way. Mary was really drunk and started provoking the guys and flirting with them, trying to dance as close to them as possible without touching them and making belly dancing kind of moves. My girldfriend stayed with Mary all the time and also had a good time. I was really in doubt that time if she also liked the attention a bit too much. Anyway, I tried to dance with her and marking my territory. I also did the complete opposite by walking away to dance somewhere else to see if they would leave the six guys dancing around them. I felt really uncomfortable. That b*tch Mary kept flirting with all those guys even though she has a boyfriend! I don’t know the guy, but I had the urge to grab her by the arm, slap her in the face and tell her to snap out of it. I also felt really uncomfortable about my girlfriend following her all the time.

I didn’t really know what to do because I know jealousy is a no-go area. I didn’t want to make a scene for no reason, but I also didn’t want to let the situation walk all over me. But to grab her by the arm like a daddy and drag her away because it annoys me? It were horrible minutes. This is the reason I don’t want to go out with my girlfriend because I know that a lot of guys will come and talk to her with all the well known intentions and I don't know how to respond.

At a certain point a few guys went to Mary and apparently asked her to come and smoke with them in the smoking area upstairs. This was the most disturbing part to me. Mary asked my GF to come with them as well and she went with them. Mary and my GF both smoke and my brother and I don’t, so we stayed in the club. I felt really annoyed because they are both not stupid. They KNOW that these guys only ask them to smoke with them because they want to f*ck them. What the f*ck is the reason to let these guys buy them cigarettes when they know they won’t do anything and giving me a horrible time? For cigarettes? What the ****!? They’re not even real addicts. Only when they’re drunk. When I saw her walking away in those *@#%^! clothes with that drunk b*tch Mary and those guys for cigarettes I felt so…… Because she’s one of the most intelligent people I know and this was just too ****ing corny and disrespectful. My brother quickly tells me: “don’t get jealous man!” After twenty minutes of dancing with the two of us he asks me: “do you want to go upstairs and kick their asses?”

The guys didn’t do anything wrong. It is just that the girls think that they can do anything they want… with me even standing next to them! Previously my girlfriend even felt really jealous when a girl I used to go to school with talked to me in a club for five minutes and she couldn't join the conversation. Somehow I have to accept that she goes upstairs with a bunch of guys for half an hour for smoking? I bet she would go insane if my brother and I went there with a group of girls and she had to stay down in the club.

Really, I was/am pissed, angry, jealous and also sad and disappointed. I hardly slept that night and had all these nightmares.

The next morning I still felt like ****. My GF noticed that and asked me what was wrong. (I cannot really hide those things). I didn’t really know how to bring it, because I didn’t want to come over as a jealous f*ck, but I also had to tell it because I felt like **** and had to show her how I felt about it. I told her I thought it was weird of her and Mary to go smoke upstairs with random guys for half an hour and letting my brother and me stay downstairs. Etc.

I explained her how girls in a club can stay really passive and guys will come to them anyway. For a guy to reach the same thing he has to actively go to a girl, “flirt” with her and get her number. (I used Mary’s boyfriend Steve as an example because it would hurt her too much if I used myself as an example) “How would Mary feel about it if Steve went into clubs and go to three or four girls, hit on them and get their numbers? Is that also acceptable? It's the equivalent for a guy to reach the same thing you girls can reach without doing anything” and “Would you think it was normal for me and my brother to go upstairs in the smoking area with five random girls we just met and you and Mary had to stay downstairs?”

Well she started crying and said she felt so sorry I had a horrible time. She told me she also was so worried about Mary because she always drinks too much and she is turning into her older sister, who is drunk many times a week and waking up in police cells or at random benches in the city because she was to drunk to walk, ride her bicycle or forgot where her house was. She also told me that as a girl in the club you cannot say “no, I have a boyfriend, go away” to guys who hit on you because that is “b*tch behavior” and you will be treated as “the b*tch” for the rest of the evening and get sneary comments. Well I didn’t know that, but you can also don’t get along with every plan of every guy without being a b*tch. :S

Well she kept saying things like: “You know I would never do that to you baby” and “you are the only one I want”. I know she really feels like this. We’ve been together for more than one and half years now, went on three holidays, including one of a month last June to Southeast Asia. We both love it and she tells me constantly, especially the last weeks, how crazy she is about me and how much she loves it when we spend time together. And I know she means it cause she is really bad at pretending things.

After yesterday morning, things went back to normal. Still I kinda feel like ****. I don’t want to hit the clubs with her very soon. The behavior, the clothes she was wearing, all the make-up, all the guys surrounding them as vultures waiting for the lion to leave the carcass and dig on it as soon as he leaves. I’m pretty jealous I guess, but then again, I also thought the behavior was too weird. You don’t walk off for cigarettes and attention from random guys when you drank too much. That is, in my opinion, just so disrespectful towards me. Still I KNOW how she feels about me.

Well I was just wondering if you guys had any thoughts, advice or something else on this. If I should bring it up again or not. I don’t really know. But to me it’s really important to just forgive someone and then also not bring the subject up ever again. But still I was raging a few minutes ago from the adrenaline and anger. :down:

Thanks guys.

Cheers,

Guoy
Not for nothing, but you're going to wake up from your coma one day and realize how much time you've wasted with "your girl". You're blind to numerous other opportunites passing you by right now because you're a sick lil pup in "wuv". Straight up. Man up and drop her... no calls, text, email. NOTHING. Let her cwy about what a "bastard" you are to her wittle fwends.... Or waste more of your time and be a bitter 'AFC' who's gotten Kenny Roger's ROASTEDby an AW mutha cluckin 'KFC'.
 

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listen to "next contestant" by nickelback, that gets me everytime, and seems appropriate for your situation.
 

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mtlwlu said:
listen to "next contestant" by nickelback, that gets me everytime, and seems appropriate for your situation.
HAHAHAHAHA That is the most AFC song ever, he's dating a stripper/bartender wh0re and wants to beat up every guy in the bar.
 

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Guoy Darko said:
But should I bring it up again? We had a talk the next morning and I sorta forgave her there, but after giving it a good thought it still bothers me. I mean, even when I'm not in the club with her, I don't want her to go talk to random guys for cigarettes and attention. I mean, ****! :nono:
First off you are right that was very disrespectful for her to do that to you. She can say whatever she wants but if the tables were turned and you did what she did and she was in your position there would be so much more drama.

Communication is the most important part in a relationship and looks like you guys do a good job with that. The only thing i would say is that you should have told her that you will let it slide this time but if she does anything like that again she might as well look for another bf. I would also ask her how she would feel if you started hangingout with girls when you are with her and going out on "cigarette" brakes without bringing her along.

I dont think you should mention it until you guys go to the club. When u start going just remind her that last time you werent a good girl and if something similar happens you will not take it so lightly
 

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vachir said:
if the girl says u are being jealous. how should u act?

also. isnt it better to act like u dont care? if u show too much that u care then she will use that against you.

if anyone can shed light on the frame to keep in for this situation it would help me understand
thank you
You need to be more specific.

If your GF is calling your jealous, because you dislike her talking to some random guy at work about work shi* - she has a point.

If your GF is fuc*ing off with other guys in clubs, that not jealousy, that your Girl kicking you in the nuts twice.

Also if my girl told me I was getting jealous, this is what I would say.

"Yeh so what, I don’t like it, so I expect you to change it"

1: I don't get jealous without good reason.
2: If I did get jealous it means it’s for a reason (see one), that means I dislike some shi*, why try to pretend?

Pretending your ok, with your GF bad behaviour and not wanted to be 'jealous' incase you pis* her off some more is the product of a weak man - The bitc* clearly did something to make you jealous, i.e don't excuse yourself or what YOU want - you make it clear 'crystal clear' that if she does not change her actions, she is out the door. Stop trying to keep her 'happy' and not wanting to 'upset' her - FUC* her she just kicked you in the nuts - she is even more pissing on you by calling you jealous - if it was a guy, you'd probably whack him one- so why make excuses for a girls bad behavour and let her further walk all over you like a door-mat - Are you a door-mat?

The only reason guys put up with shi* from girls is because they don’t have a sense of abundance - they think the girl they are with is the 'only' girl they can get and this is 'worst' thinking any man can ever have with a girl -

This thinking will make a man ignore things a woman will do, it will make him 'settle' for second best, it will make him compromise who he is and ultimate it will make him resentful and un-happy - stuck with a girl he can't get rid off and masks it with romanticed shi* like -love- or she is the one.

This is for all guys - Men need to learn to live single and be happy - get out of the notion to drift from one bitc* to another - you need to be comfortable and happy being single - only then can you trade a girl in and be content - because you 'KNOW' you have it good single - this is also magnified when you Girl makes being in a relationship worse then being single.

Being single has many advantages - see girls when you want, not answer to anyone and do what you want - Many men reject that life for the sake of conforming to social norms and will even put if with poor and bad behaviour from your bitc* to get it - This is the only way you can ever, ever make sure that when you eventually find a decent woman, she is worthy of your time and effort and you’re not dating her simply because she has a hole between her legs.

Its important to keep friends, hobbies and another life outside your GF, so if she crosses the line, like this example, you can still go back to another life - a better life of being single and doing wtf you please - which is more attractive then putting up with a woman who is dis-respecting you left right and center.

Only woman with abusive ars*holes stay till something better comes along (we call them Branch swingers or branch swinging monkeys), because woman cant seem to stand being-out of a relationship (generally) men can live rather comfortable and even have a 'better' life being single - Hence there is NO REASON to put up with bad behavour from your girl especcially in this fashion.

And girls are not exactly hard to date - if you have a GF now, there is no reason at all why you can't get another one - your already half way there in attracting puss* after-all.

There is nothing wrong with being jealous for the 'right reasons', there is something very wrong with being a controlling dic* who can't let his woman go out of the door, because you have insecurity issues - Well rounded normal men with a postive mental attitude would'nt accept there GF insuting them in a fashion to allow her to get away with them calling him jealous -unless its playful -
 

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vachir said:
if the girl says u are being jealous. how should u act?

also. isnt it better to act like u dont care? if u show too much that u care then she will use that against you.

if anyone can shed light on the frame to keep in for this situation it would help me understand
thank you
Usually ,whenever a woman accuses you of being "jealous, controlling ,possessive, demanding, insecure or inmmature she is attempting to shame you into a retreat from whatever position you are taking. This shaming tactic is aimed at shutting you down and silencing your protest.. IT is an attempt to assert control over you and to disable whatever she does not like about whatever you are saying.
This tactic is one of a woman's favorite manipulations when she is confronted with a man's grievances.

The counseling profession will endlessly promote "communication" . However, a man cannot "communicate" with a woman who just wants him to be passive and silent and allow her free rein to act in whatever way she likes.

THis is what I would do if I heard a woman accuse me of being jealous after SHE acted in similar ways to the OPs g/f.

She says, "You are acting jealous and possessive, I only went to keep Mary company.."

You say nothing for ten seconds, then.." I have clear expectations and high standards, you are not meeting either right now."

Then you stare at her ,slowly shake your head disapprovingly and walk away.

I won't tell you what happens next .
 

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jonwon jophil thanks for the response/insight. im trying to learn from the OP's situation. my gf and i been going out to club and she is starting to test me. everything is good so far i got her trained. but i like to be prepared you know what i mean.

thanks again.
 

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3 questions

Do you believe that if your gf had high interest in you, she would actually act how she did that night?

Do you believe that having your dignity and self-respect is NEVER worth sacrificing, even if the girl is hot, or the girl has been with you for a long time?

Are you able to walk away from ANY girl?

Think long and hard about these questions
 

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Hi guys,

Thanks for all the posts. It means a lot. I didn’t believe the thread would just explode after I left. I also didn’t expect all the comments about “wh*re” and “next”. Because it is not at all like that. But that is probably because I only described this evening and not the last months. Anyway, I cannot reply to every single post here, but I’ll try to answer most.

It looks like a lot of you guys have a lot of bad experiences with girls and probably also with girls in clubs. It’s not weird though. I have also read a lot of bad things about girls in clubs here and maybe because I know clubs are a hunting ground and maybe because of that reason I didn’t feel good. Yes, you should be able to handle situations in a club when guys try to hit on your girl. I never go to clubs with her and mainly for that reason: I don’t know how to act. That was the main reason to start this tread. I probably didn’t made that clear enough. The subject of my post should be something like: “How do you handle these situations?”

But pretty much all the responses are telling me she’s a wh*re. It is so ironic. It was stupid of me to first post my story on Sosuave and after that talking it through with my brother. I should’ve done it the other way around. Anyway, let’s make some things clear:

1. she never called me jealous;
2. she never danced with other guys;
3. she went upstairs with Mary and one guy (I thought it was a group, but both my brother and my GF told me later it was one guy). He gave cigarettes which they accepted, because they tried to get cigarettes themselves before that but the machine would only accept their money but not spit out a package of cigarettes. He also offered a drink (muhahahaha) which only Mary accepted. Mary and my GF only talked to him for a few minutes. The reason they stayed away for 20 – 30 minutes was because they met people from their former school;
4. the reason she went upstairs with Mary, was according to her, because the original plan was for them two to go out by themselves. Until then we’ve been with the four of us, and she felt a little bad towards Mary;
5. we DON’T kiss with our mouths closed. :S It was just that now she jammed her tongue inside my mouth as deep as possible and normally we use it in a “normal” way. I wrote: “…uses a LOT of tongue”. I never wrote she used tongue and we never do that. :S ;
6. we’re together for about one and a half years;
7. we don’t live together;
8. it is not a fact that her shirt was slutty. It was my opinion. I wrote that in the first sentence of my post. I was there when she bought it. I only thought: “yughck” and she was all like: “ooooooooh, how cute is this top?”. I used to comment on what she wanted to buy, but then she wouldn’t buy anything I didn’t like. She should have her own choice and taste in clothes. She sometimes tells me to buy certain clothes, but when I don’t like it I don’t buy it. And when I want to buy something she doesn’t like, I still buy it;
9. I don’t want to be needy or clingy. Maybe I am, but I don’t WANT to be like that. I never asked her to be my GF, or told her “I love you” first. With both things she was first. Of course I wanted to, but I knew it wasn’t good to ask/say those things first;
10. My brother was there and told me my GF’s behavior was innocent. He is a great DJ, only he doesn’t know it himself;
11. We're not American, but European. Don't know how that would differ. ;).

dark_ool is totally right (page one, post 15). I am very insecure and I guess also an AFC. I have been like that all my life and I’m not really sure how to change it. I know what AFC’s do wrong because I read a lot about it. I know what not to do, although here I probably messed up and I wanted to learn. I know how to ignore a lot of the symptoms but don’t know how to cure it.

I read the book of Pook, seen Tyler Durden’s Blueprint Decoded, read books about meditation, Buddhism, etc. Read a LOT, but still I feel AFC. I’m about to buy the Eckhart Tolle bestseller “the power of now” because it seems to be a great source of inspiration for Tyler Durden.

I’m not here to learn that all girls are not to be trusted. I’m here to improve myself. My main goal is to be happy in life, and I know I will not be happy sleeping around with a lot of random women. I’m very very happy with her, and pretty much all my friends are always telling me about the two of us and how we are such a great match and how we get along so well with each other. I know for sure you guys would too, if only you knew us. I want to improve myself with her. And I learned so much from Sosuave already. A lot of times my AFC nature would just pop-up and I knew how to ignore it and do the exact opposite. This time I didn’t know what to do and that was the reason I started the thread.

I appreciate you guys want to help me. But there is no need for telling me to next her or telling me she’s a *****. I know both things make no sense and when you would know us, you would too. I have a lot of DJ friends and they tell me exactly the same. I know how to make myself and her feel good and how to have a good time. But inside me there is a side I want to change, but I don’t know how. If you guys have any good books or advice it will be appreciated.

Okay, that’s it for now. Thanks for all you guys’ time.

cheers, Guoy
 

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Robert28 said:
ive been in situations like this MANY times before. i even acted very similarly to the way you acted and forgave her the next day after her sob story. i'm still learning, but here's what i would now do had i been in your situation that night. forget the dress, forget her stupid friend tagging along, forget all that jazz. the moment she paid no attention to me when we were dacing, i would have walked away. not pouting or going to sit in a corner and suck my thumb, but to scan for other single chicks in the place. then i would make my way over to where they were and let the good times roll! let her go smoke with other guys and hang around with her skank friend who seems to be headed towards loserville. the moment my g/f walked up to me with the wtf look on her face, i would have smiled and said "hey(insert name here)! these are my friend(s) (insert name of girl(s) here)" i PROMISE you she wont leave your side the rest of the night(if she truly cares about you). it doesnt matter if Mary falls down and breaks her leg, your g/f is still going to stay by your side like shes joined at the hip because she learned her short lesson about leaving you alone. it shows her if she can go have her fun, you can too. girls are jealous people by nature. they HATE competition. she'll even wonder why you didnt introduce her to your new friends as your girlfriend. which you later tell her, well you sure werent acting like my g/f. ive done this and it WORKS. like a charm! now, youre way of handling it only pushes her to other guys that are there having a good time like she wants to have. so make the most of it, you have fun too! life is too short to be worrying over some broad that wants you to sit there waiting on her while she goes flaunting her stuff all over the club. shes not the only chick in the world, and i bet you everything i own there were 10 hotter girls there that night then her. go be friends with those! youve got to worry about YOU first and HER second, otherwise youre going to be misserable. i also wouldnt buy her little story she told you. cry me a river is what id say to her. heck, i probably would have dumped her that very next day.
QFMFT+++
 

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vachir said:
if the girl says u are being jealous. how should u act?
"How would you feel if...?"

Just replay what she did, but flip the genders.

jophil28 said:
She says, "You are acting jealous and possessive, I only went to keep Mary company.."

You say nothing for ten seconds, then.." I have clear expectations and high standards, you are not meeting either right now."

Then you stare at her ,slowly shake your head disapprovingly and walk away.

I won't tell you what happens next .
This is good too.
 
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