Why Women Lie?

[princelydeeds]

Forgive me if this has been posted, but I found it too close to my own experience not to share it.

Men have been saying it for years, but a woman comes forward with the truth. NEWSFLASH: WOMEN LIE MORE THAN MEN!!! More than 80% of women believe lying is beneficial. Better TV reveals some of the truths about women and lying. This study is funny on so many levels.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs9J-cPdP9E&feature=player_embedded

 

[Nutz]

Well that answers "who lies more".

 

[STR8UP]

"Women lie more effectively, more often, and about more things."

Wow, who woulda thunk it?

"Women use lies as a coping mechanism"

Lots of great info. I might need to read that book.

 

[Mr. Me]

They also talk more then men do.

 

[Deep Dish]

Everyone lies. The fact women may lie more often and effectively—they certainly are great actors—may be rooted in the fact men are more adept at securing resources, getting what we want, and therefore have the diminished need for deceit. The truth also very often hurts and men are more insensitive, more adept at delivering bad news.

 

[Trader]

What is interesting is that when women *lie* - many times they actually do not realize they are lying

Whereas when a man lies, he is fully conscious that he is lying

The nature of a man and girl are different

The German philosopher Otto Weininger touched on this in his tome Sex and Character

 

[mrRuckus]

What is interesting is that when women *lie* - many times they actually do not realize they are lying

How is it a lie if there's no intent? Talking with no intent to deceive is just being wrong.

Are you saying they're just stupider than men? How can you be lying and not even know it unless that's the case?

Or are you saying they lie through body language or something?

 

[Aenigma]

Don't know they were lying? What, are women completely oblivious to reality now? I call BS- women can remember BS that their husbands did 30 years ago but they can't remember what actually happened when they tell a lie?

I don't believe it.
Its just another lie!

"Why did you lie to me?"
"I didn't remember what actually happened!"

Whatever.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH9SckpojCA

 

[Luminescence]

No surprise. Judging from their role in our species evolution, is it any wonder that they are better liars and passive aggressive manipulators than men?

 

[KontrollerX]

"More than 80% of women believe lying is beneficial."

Which is exactly why I told TheHumanist poster long ago that women are more practical minded than our gender naturally and don't bother with that morality clap trap.

They only regard morals insofar as they follow the law to avoid jail and prison and thats really about it.

Women view guys that are hardcore into moral codes as silly little boys wasting their own time on foolishness meanwhile they tell their little lies and benefit while the moral man gets the short end of the stick.

Morality crew guys like to argue endlessly about this to preserve their quality woman mythology and even their arguing about it slows them down rather than just accepting the truth and making the appropriate decisions to benefit themselves understanding what women are rather than what they want them to be.

 

[Warrior74]

"More than 80% of women believe lying is beneficial."

Which is exactly why I told TheHumanist poster long ago that women are more practical minded than our gender naturally and don't bother with that morality clap trap.

They only regard morals insofar as they follow the law to avoid jail and prison and thats really about it.

Women view guys that are hardcore into moral codes as silly little boys wasting their own time on foolishness meanwhile they tell their little lies and benefit while the moral man gets the short end of the stick.

Morality crew guys like to argue endlessly about this to preserve their quality woman mythology and even their arguing about it slows them down rather than just accepting the truth and making the appropriate decisions to benefit themselves understanding what women are rather than what they want them to be.

THIS! Church.

 

[STR8UP]

Don't know they were lying? What, are women completely oblivious to reality now? I call BS- women can remember BS that their husbands did 30 years ago but they can't remember what actually happened when they tell a lie?

It's not that women don't remember what they did, it's that they have the capacity to internally rationalize actions and justify behavior.

They honestly believe their own sh!t.

What sealed my opinion on this for me was my last LTR. She would look me dead in the eye, with 100% sincerity, and tell me that she wasn't doing anything wrong hanging out at some other dude's place at 3am. She honestly thought that she did absolutely nothing wrong.

Now I'm not an expert at lie detection, but I know enough about the science that I can tell when someone BELIEVES the bullsh!t they are saying.

Essentially, she wasn't lying to ME, she was lying to HERSELF. In her mind she had rationalized (prior to and during) and justified (after the fact) her actions, and was completely convinced that I should have no reason whatsoever to be upset.

It was actually disturbing, to tell you the truth.

Which is exactly why I told TheHumanist poster long ago that women are more practical minded than our gender naturally and don't bother with that morality clap trap.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I think it is important to point out that women are quick to espouse the virtues of morality, but as with some "other" things, it is important to watch what they do, not listen to what they say.

Same principle as I posted above. Women believe in honesty and goodness, but their protection mechanisms allow for a disconnect when it suits their needs. Poor behavior in others is blatantly obvious, but when it comes to themselves there is no guilt or remorse.

They only regard morals insofar as they follow the law to avoid jail and prison and thats really about it.

You forgot the most important one. They also regard morals in the context of maintaining their social ranking.

 

[parrot84]

women lie because they are bytches!

 

[Trader]

It's not that women don't remember what they did, it's that they have the capacity to internally rationalize actions and justify behavior.

They honestly believe their own sh!t.

What sealed my opinion on this for me was my last LTR. She would look me dead in the eye, with 100% sincerity, and tell me that she wasn't doing anything wrong hanging out at some other dude's place at 3am. She honestly thought that she did absolutely nothing wrong.

Now I'm not an expert at lie detection, but I know enough about the science that I can tell when someone BELIEVES the bullsh!t they are saying.

Essentially, she wasn't lying to ME, she was lying to HERSELF. In her mind she had rationalized (prior to and during) and justified (after the fact) her actions, and was completely convinced that I should have no reason whatsoever to be upset.

It was actually disturbing, to tell you the truth.

This is why the great German philosopher Otto Weininger made the observation that women are amoral creatures. In other words, they themselves do not have an inherent sense of morality. This allows them to instantly justify and rationalize almost any behavior and believe their own BS with little or no effort.

Men on the other hand, do have an inherent sense of morality. We may often do immoral things, but it takes a lot more *effort* to lie to ourselves and rationalize it away. Take Roger Clemens, I'm pretty sure deep down he knows he was wrong for taking steroids, but he just won't admit it the public. I highly doubt he honestly deep down believes he did nothing wrong.

Now the only way any girl is going to have any sense of morality is if morality is imposed on her EXTERNALLY - i.e. parents, or church.

Which is why there was a thread before about how the only *normal* girls, are the ones that have normal parents.

 

[mrRuckus]

Women aren't people.

Do with them as you will.

Don't play by artificially limiting rules. They aren't. We're both in the game, and they won't agree to rules, so no holds barred. Save morals for those who play fair: lots of men.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Law 32: Play to People's Fantasies
The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: Everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses.

Now think about this law in terms of lying to oneself, or as STR8 up stated, a woman believing her own bullsh!t. That's called pathology.

This is why men and women lie, but the real question is, do you really want the truth? Can you really handle the truth? We've got all sorts of "whys", but the real question is what would you do with the truth? Truth is often ugly, harsh, blunt and offensive, it doesn't paint you in the best light. The truth is you're not as tall without your high heels, you hair is really a mousey brown, and your boobs naturally sag. Are you a liar for compensating for your natural deficiencies? Is full disclosure really what we all want?

People lie because it's what we expect. The truth may set you free, but most people can't handle that freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeRmjDrxXM

 

[squirrels]

Men create truth and then live their lives around it. Women live their lives and create truth around it.

A woman will never tell you a man's truth. For absolute truth when dealing with women, you have to be intuitive, not rational.

 

[Trader]

Women aren't people.

Do with them as you will.

Don't play by artificially limiting rules. They aren't. We're both in the game, and they won't agree to rules, so no holds barred. Save morals for those who play fair: lots of men.

This argument has been repeated ad-infinitum.

What's interesting though is that from my personal experience, the fact that I have a clear cut sense of morality is wildly attractive to girls. And I was scratching my head trying to figure out why. Why are girls attracted to a man with a clear sense of morals?

The recurring theme is the same, you are a man, you create your own world, you create your own reality. And what does it mean to create your own world? The essence of it is clear boundaries, clear limits. You have clear and defined tastes that seperate you from other guys, and you have a set of clearly defined moral rules which you live by.

 

[speed dawg]

Men create truth and then live their lives around it. Women live their lives and create truth around it.

A woman will never tell you a man's truth. For absolute truth when dealing with women, you have to be intuitive, not rational.

Right on.